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Well I believe it's more a sign of respect, he's been around since forever. And when they want 3 new guys in the leadership group they need some kind of a system, one permanent A and two rotating pairs home/road.
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Well I believe it's more a sign of respect, he's been around since forever. And when they want 3 new guys in the leadership group they need some kind of a system, one permanent A and two rotating pairs home/road.
Tawnos
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If Quinn were the first coach to give him the A, I'd agree with the seniority respect angle. He's not the first... he's the third.
Again, when he got that A he was a good player. I don't recall many (any?) examples of a team stripping a letter from a guy who has spent his entire career with the team because he's not a good player anymore. I mean you can argue the logic behind that all you want, but I just think that's how it is. You're only going to lose a letter if you become some sort of problem or distraction.
If Girardi was still here, he'd be an alternate, as well.
If Girardi was still here, he'd be an alternate, as well.
Tawnos
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Maybe not entire careers, but didn't Sharks players lose letters? Still would be a single example among all the others.
Yes, that's right. I remember they took it from Marleau first. Then later they took it from Thornton--there was a lot of public acrimony there. Doug Wilson said Thornton lashed out at teammates and that teammates were more like coworkers or something, and then Thornton said in an interview that Wilson should shut his damn mouth or something similar. I don't remember the circumstances around Marleau. Although, I think both had to do with reports of the guys being shopped and refusing trades, and bad locker room culture. Maybe just hearsay, who knows.
Either way, it's definitely rare. And I don't see any need for it. And evidently, those who know, also see no need for it.
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I agree. For reference, here's the buyout info for Staal
Marc Staal Contract Buyout Details - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Marc Staal Buyout Details
Cost Calculations
| BUYOUT DATE | BASE SALARY REMAINING | S.BONUS REMAINING | YEARS REMAINING | BUYOUT LENGTH | AGE | BUYOUT RATIO | TOTAL COST | TOTAL SAVINGS | ANNUAL COST |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jun 15, 2019 | $7,200,000 | $2,000,000 | 2 | 4 | 32 | 2/3 | $4,800,000 | $2,400,000 | $1,200,000 |
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
| SEASON | BASE SALARY | INITIAL CAP HIT | ACTUAL COST | SAVINGS | FINAL CAP HIT |
| 2019-20 | $4,000,000 | $5,700,000 | $1,200,000 | $2,800,000 | $2,900,000 |
| 2020-21 | $3,200,000 | $5,700,000 | $1,200,000 | $2,000,000 | $3,700,000 |
| 2021-22 | $0 | $0 | $1,200,000 | -$1,200,000 | $1,200,000 |
| 2022-23 | $0 | $0 | $1,200,000 | -$1,200,000 | $1,200,000 |
| TOTAL | $7,200,000 | $11,400,000 | $4,800,000 | $2,400,000 | $9,000,000 |
Also remember that it's possible the Rangers simply keep him without playing him that year, and then buy him out the following year:
Marc Staal Contract Buyout Details - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Marc Staal Buyout Details
Cost Calculations
| BUYOUT DATE | BASE SALARY REMAINING | S.BONUS REMAINING | YEARS REMAINING | BUYOUT LENGTH | AGE | BUYOUT RATIO | TOTAL COST | TOTAL SAVINGS | ANNUAL COST |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jun 15, 2020 | $3,200,000 | $1,000,000 | 1 | 2 | 33 | 2/3 | $2,133,333 | $1,066,667 | $1,066,667 |
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
| SEASON | BASE SALARY | INITIAL CAP HIT | ACTUAL COST | SAVINGS | FINAL CAP HIT |
| 2020-21 | $3,200,000 | $5,700,000 | $1,066,667 | $2,133,333 | $3,566,667 |
| 2021-22 | $0 | $0 | $1,066,667 | -$1,066,667 | $1,066,667 |
| TOTAL | $3,200,000 | $5,700,000 | $2,133,333 | $1,066,667 | $4,633,333 |
Eitehr way the Rangers aren't going to be strapped for buying him out
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Hayes Sophomore year was an atrocity. Absolutely no way he should have been given a long term contract. it's not just about the $, it's about the precedent you set when you hand a guy who had a horrid year by all standards
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Completely agreed. After this season he will only have 2 years remaining. Easily tradeable at 50% to a team that wants d depth as a 1.25 year rental.
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PP1: Shattenkirk, Buchnevich, Chytil, Kreider, Zibanejad. PP2: Pionk, Spooner, Hayes, Vesey, Zuccarello. #NYR
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It's GOTTA be to boost his trade value. We know all GMs are basically a boys club. If Gorton endorses staal as a leader, other GMs will have their fancy tickled...
This is all I can come up with
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Its like the power rangers. They're all gonna come together and become Mark Messier
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The problem is that people don't tend to listen to the guy who "knows how to do it" but can't actually do it... My mens league goalie will come over in the middle of periods and explain what we're doing wrong, how we're doing it wrong, and how we should fix it, but we know that this guy is average at best in the goal, and sucks ass as a forward or dman, so a lot of the guys tend to just let him talk, but not actually listen.
I fear that giving Staal an A is giving someone a leadership role based on experience and not actual play, and for someone to be an effective captain, you need the ability to do both.
Tell me, when's the last time you respected a manager that you knew couldn't do his job well?
I had one of those, and quite often I went over his head constantly because he was the most ineffective and useless person in the company. At the end of the day, while I *heard* his advice and directives, I did not listen to him as if he was a legitimate manager, mostly because there were others that were better at his job than he was, which caused me to lose respect for his management tactics.
I should note that I do not mean that highest performers make the best managers. Your captain doesn't need to be your best player, just like a company/team manager does not need to be y our best player, but a lot of times, seniority does not indicate performance, and that's what a lot of companies do
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Tawnos
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Honestly, that person sounds like a bad manager/leader more than anything else.
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Tawnos
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I'm very excited about this. JG is super-bland in the broadcast booth, but he has a lot of really good insight.
lucky13
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Hope this is sarcasm...Staal threw the body pretty damn hard his first 5+ yrs
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His back and forths with Ovechkin are something that are kind of hard to forget.
Not to mention the time he absolutely lit up Matt Stajan.
Hes become gun shy since all the injuries and I don't blame him.
And for a MSG talking head, Maloney is as much of a straight shooter you're going to find.
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Didn’t Dallas do that with Modano and Morrow? Also San Jose played musical chairs quite a few times with Marleau and Thornton.
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Yup, especially in results-driven environments like sales, the Peter Principle seems very real. Sales people tend to get promoted based on their sales numbers. Then since they often don't have the skillset and leadership ability to actually manage teams, they stagnate there by rising to their level of incompetence since they got promoted based on past performance in one role instead of how well they'd perform in a new role.
Ironically enough, soft skills can often be the hardest to gain on the job.
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