Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Now with less frenzy!

[Synergy27]

The worst team has an 18% chance of winning the lottery.

As long as we’re bottom 10 we have a decent enough chance at 1.

This logic fails to account for the fact/likelihood that there will be precipitous drops in quality in other places besides between 1OA and 2OA. Yes, finishing last gives a small chance of picking 1OA, but it does basically guarantee a top 3 pick.

 

[Avery16]

And licks his opponents like Marchand.

Probably has better breath

 

[Ola]

I believe some players tax info was posted on reddit or Twittee a while back, albeit heavily redacted due to personal info, and taxes are indeed based on where you play.

So for 41 games, you get taxed by wherever your homes are, and the other 41 games depend on where you are for that game.

And is it really based on games? When under obligation to be somewhere, so to speak, a very small part of that time is on Manhattan. 41 games basically. All practices are off Manhattan were there are no city tax.

I of course know nothing on this topic, but just sound a bit odd that the games would count.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Something happen pleaszzzzzzzze

 

[Richard Banger]

Gorton finally got that elite piece for the rebuild:

Trade him for German shepherd

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Something happen pleaszzzzzzzze

We acquired a Lab.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Trade him for German shepherd

My favorite breed.

 

[NYR2007]

People talk about the rangers rebuild being X amount of years away ... this seems like to same thing they did in 2004. Rangers have no elite players in the farm or on the team. until then the best we can hope for is being competitive to win some games and make the playoffs. WE NEED ELITE PLAYERS

 

[Deleted member 23124]

People talk about the rangers rebuild being X amount of years away ... this seems like to same thing they did in 2004. Rangers have no elite players in the farm or on the team. until then the best we can hope for is being competitive to win some games and make the playoffs. WE NEED ELITE PLAYERS

This is nothing like 2004. Rangers (if I recall) had a payroll of almost $80 million with a lockout and hard cap coming....they jettisoned salary, traded for JJ, brought in as many of his friends as he wanted and let the chips fall where they may. There was no attempt to rebuild/retool/etc.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

People talk about the rangers rebuild being X amount of years away ... this seems like to same thing they did in 2004. Rangers have no elite players in the farm or on the team. until then the best we can hope for is being competitive to win some games and make the playoffs. WE NEED ELITE PLAYERS

Jagr set the franchise record for Points and goals and a rookie Hank.

They had 2 more elite players than this group does. They're much better positioned to do what they were trying to do in 2005.

Making the playoffs as a bubble team that will get its teeth kicked in would be much worse than being in the lottery. If they get in because their younger players are great then so be it, but we're likely a bit away from that happening.

 

[TheTakedown]

All of those posts about the dog need to be put into it's own thread. THat was amazing to read

 

[wafflepadsave]

Keeps biting the refs though.

Well they deserve it!

 

[wafflepadsave]

Trade him for German shepherd

Plus a second.

 

[mrmovies779]

Well they deserve it!

Sick em on bettman next

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

This is very different from 2005. The entire league pretty much reset. Rangers had some older rookies like Lundqvist, Moore, Betts, even a guy like Jason Ward was finally able to play a few useful years with the end of obstruction. Initially more PPs benefited teams with skill, which is what the Rangers had. That team had a lot of hear too. Bottom six were all hard hard workers.

I disagree about no elite players now. What if Chytil/Kravstov and someone not in the system or a lower round pick like a Ronning or Virta become like the Devils A-Line? What if Seguin is brought in and the entire team starts coming into their own?

This team could be as competitive as this year (Wild Card), a contender by next fall, or maybe it'll take 3-4 years.

 

[bobbop]

I’m on vacation but I thought I would stop by and see what is going on.

Never mind...

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I’m on vacation but I thought I would stop by and see what is going on.

Never mind...

We got a lab.

 

[bobbop]

We got a lab.

Right hand shot?

 

[Ori]

People talk about the rangers rebuild being X amount of years away ... this seems like to same thing they did in 2004. Rangers have no elite players in the farm or on the team. until then the best we can hope for is being competitive to win some games and make the playoffs. WE NEED ELITE PLAYERS

And why Gorton should moved both Hayes & Spooner for earlier picks next summer draft. We`ve too many 40 pts. players or below, but I guess Gorton half promised to be half competitive based on that fact they will have Henrik in goal in an attempt to reach playoffs, but what he achieve is to delay the whole rebuild topic.

Anyway it`s not enough with 1 elite player though and there many example of that in this league with Oilers for instant. But it`s a start, a building block - a player who suppose to be here for the future.

Maybe next year draft is not that ideal unless we hit rock bottom on the league table, but we all know that won`t happen with an elite goalie.

I like the dog - hopefully we see it in the opening game at MSG later this year!

 

[redwhiteandblue]

The amount that some people here pencil in the future just blows my mind. Nothing is given except you're playing your next game. The mentality is absurd. It's fine to plan in terms of the future but I read so many posts saying "if Krav and Chytil pan out", "say we get Seguin", "say Skjei pans out and we sign EK". I mean, building your future plans on some of these narratives is dangerous.

Having a course of action mapped out with more than one potential future is fine. Seems some people are foolishly ready to accept some things as if they're written in stone. I certainly wouldn't be banking on any big name free agent signing here. Really the only real option I see is Panarin. EK would be a pretty bad idea for this team anyways. Seguin is, in my opinion, without a doubt re-signing in Dallas. I'd put that at about 75/25.

A perfect example of this is Sean Day. I see so many people pencil him into future top 6's or even high on the depth chart of the RHD of the organization. Don't get me wrong, I know we are almost barren on the right side, but there's no way at this point I'm expecting much from that draft pick based on what we've seen so far. If he does pan out, cool that's all just a plus if it ever comes to fruition. Then you start making adjustments to whatever course of action.

 

[Larrybiv]

I think the rebuilding is going to be complete in 2-3 years.

I think the actual competing will start in 3-5 years.

I think this season and 19-20 are going to be pretty bad. I think 20-21 and beyond is when we start making the climb back up the standings.

In my estimation, we are looking, conservatively speaking of course, at 4 years before we are really competitive again.

I have no desire to move what Ottawa will want in a trade and I'm not convinced that EK65 will be the same player in 4 years that he is today.

At this point, unless it's an absolute no brainer, I just dont see the point of a potential acquisition.

I mean, I'm not going to ignore the player he is today, I just dont think hes going to be that same player when we actually need him to be.

I believe your guestimations are pretty spot on time wise, and we should be HOPING for that time frame.

Anything sooner, then we have sped up the process to quickly and haven't maximized this "bottoming out", "rebuild" or whatever we want to call it.

Once we start "rising" there will be no turning back......per sé.
And then we may be caught in that bubble team scenario, aka the kiss of death.

NY will always be a nice landing spot for quality players, either out of college, free agency etc.

This may be me being "master of the obvious", but the timing is everything. We need to do this right and be a cellar dwellar for at least one more season......do more stockpiling and selling off of what is still valuable.......this is why Gorton's signings of Vesey, Hayes, Namestikov and Spooner were good moves. We have to have some semblance of a competitive team. There are going to be numerous players that are going to have the opp. to develop on the big stage.

This upcoming year will be tough on us......but if done right, it will all be for a good cause.......the timing is everything.

Oh, and the highlighted quote......jot me down for wanting NO PART of EK65 next year or ever for that matter.......the timing simply isn't right. Eg. If his availability and age was exactly as it is now.......yet we have already developed our new "core", and are deemed ready for serious contention.....then yeah maybe, because he is "that good", but his injury history has always scared me......and for that money, well it just becomes a no brainer for me......hope Gorton as well.

 

[bobbop]

If look you at the post-tax earnings calculator on CapFriendly. 52.08% of the player's salary goes towards paying taxes for a Rangers player.

Post-Tax Earnings Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

39.20% is the federal tax.

8.62% is the state tax.

4.25% is the city tax. The Islanders players don't pay that tax playing in Brooklyn. It's almost $500K per year.

$11M salary is the example used.

$6,687,830 for a player playing for a no state income tax team. No city taxes either.

A Rangers player sees $5,728,351 go to the various tax departments.

$5,271,649 is the take home pay. It's less with escrow deductions. The players don't get all of that money back.

$1,416,181 per year more playing for a team in Texas, Florida, Vegas and Tennessee.

The Rangers and the California teams(52.29%) see their players pay the most taxes for the US based teams.

The Habs,Leafs and Sens players see 53.22% go the taxes.

It's a lot of money. It's nearly $10M more over a 7 year free agent contract.

Ryan Ellis is a free agent next summer. He wants to stay in Nashville. No state tax. No city tax. They want him to take less than he can get as a free agent. His agent is saying my client wants a full NMC/NTC for taking less so you can't trade him to another team which might see him pay more money in taxes. Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek were discussing it in their last podcast. Nashville is a team which has one NTC/NMC. Rinne.

I do income taxes and this conversation is far more nuanced than the Cap Friendly calculator.

First of all. Last I checked, Brooklyn is part of New York City. While the Islanders do pay NYC tax on Brooklyn game days, they do not pay it on most days because all of the players live and practice on Long Island.

Westchester is not however part of NYC and when the Rangers work at their practice facility and if they live outside of The City, that can be reasonably excluded as a non NYC work day. Tax experts look for every last loophole like this.

There is a mechanism under Canadian tax law where players who do not live in Canada year round can significantly reduce their taxes. I am not familiar enough to fully explain the law but agents and tax experts know how to structure contracts accordingly.

And finally, the cap on deductibility of state taxes on federal incime will become a huge issue starting with tax year 2018. It will create an even bigger disparity.

The bottom line though is that the tax issue is very relevant, the problem is getting bigger due to the federal tax law changes and the teams need to petition the league to address this disparity when the next negotiation with the players happens.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

I believe your guestimations are pretty spot on time wise, and we should be HOPING for that time frame.

Anything sooner, then we have sped up the process to quickly and haven't maximized this "bottoming out", "rebuild" or whatever we want to call it.

Once we start "rising" there will be no turning back......per sé.
And then we may be caught in that bubble team scenario, aka the kiss of death.

NY will always be a nice landing spot for quality players, either out of college, free agency etc.

This may be me being "master of the obvious", but the timing is everything. We need to do this right and be a cellar dwellar for at least one more season......do more stockpiling and selling off of what is still valuable.......this is why Gorton's signings of Vesey, Hayes, Namestikov and Spooner were good moves. We have to have some semblance of a competitive team. There are going to be numerous players that are going to have the opp. to develop on the big stage.

This upcoming year will be tough on us......but if done right, it will all be for a good cause.......the timing is everything.

Oh, and the highlighted quote......jot me down for wanting NO PART of EK65 next year or ever for that matter.......the timing simply isn't right. Eg. If his availability and age was exactly as it is now.......yet we have already developed our new "core", and are deemed ready for serious contention.....then yeah maybe, because he is "that good", but his injury history has always scared me......and for that money, well it just becomes a no brainer for me......hope Gorton as well.

I am in the same boat. Great player but he screams dangerous investment. His biggest asset (skating) is taking a scary hit with these injuries. IMO he didn't look the same last year even though he was also stuck on a bad team. There's very few teams I think he would be a good fit on right now. Don't blame the guy for the contract he's about to cash in on but I want nothing to do with paying a 33 year old EK $11-13 mil for 5 more years. Hard pass.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The amount that some people here pencil in the future just blows my mind. Nothing is given except you're playing your next game. The mentality is absurd. It's fine to plan in terms of the future but I read so many posts saying "if Krav and Chytil pan out", "say we get Seguin", "say Skjei pans out and we sign EK". I mean, building your future plans on some of these narratives is dangerous.

Having a course of action mapped out with more than one potential future is fine. Seems some people are foolishly ready to accept some things as if they're written in stone. I certainly wouldn't be banking on any big name free agent signing here. Really the only real option I see is Panarin. EK would be a pretty bad idea for this team anyways. Seguin is, in my opinion, without a doubt re-signing in Dallas. I'd put that at about 75/25.

A perfect example of this is Sean Day. I see so many people pencil him into future top 6's or even high on the depth chart of the RHD of the organization. Don't get me wrong, I know we are almost barren on the right side, but there's no way at this point I'm expecting much from that draft pick based on what we've seen so far. If he does pan out, cool that's all just a plus if it ever comes to fruition. Then you start making adjustments to whatever course of action.

True, too many moving parts to divine the future but Maybe people enjoy trying to construct (or deconstruct) their favorite team.....

 

[Larrybiv]

True, too many moving parts to divine the future but Maybe people enjoy trying to construct (or deconstruct) their favorite team.....

Maybe? Maybe? I respectfully say this with sincere deeply felt sarcasm. Isn't that what at least 75% of us do here?

Lets face it, we ALL (or just about all) feel we would like to do his job and most have enough passion in comprising our favorite team.