I'm not only looking at corsi, i'm looking at the games too, and plenty other stats, NYR had an atrocious D last season, i didn't even think there were people who disagreed with that 
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BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Aside from faceoffs, has Miller played in the middle in the last two, nearly three years? I mean, St. Louis started '15 there... offensively-speaking, would he be nearly as good there (22G as primarily a LW)? At the same time, how do people really say Hayes isn't a 2C when he has yet to dip below, what, 41 points? Same as Duchene last season. What we need is a 3C
Hayes issues has been everything except points, those issues can hopefully be addressed by giving him the right wingers and better zone starts.
LORDE
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The way I see it, our biggest weakness last yr will have to be our biggest strength this coming season... our D will have to carry us.
We can all hope that our PP will be better, but no matter what personnel we roll out, it always seems to be an issue.
Our PK will be worse I think. Unless Hank plays out of his mind.
We can all hope that our PP will be better, but no matter what personnel we roll out, it always seems to be an issue.
Our PK will be worse I think. Unless Hank plays out of his mind.
Machinehead
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Hayes holds the puck and outright refuses to shoot or pass, waiting for a grade-A scoring chance to just materialize out of thin air.
He has to be coached out of that. Wingers and zone starts aren't going to help his problem.
Like I've always said with Hayes, his shot suppression is not an issue; it's shot generation. Can't generate shots when you simply won't shoot, and that's his own choice.
It’s really hard to overlook the Center depth for me.
Just because you get a Shattenkirk, that doesn’t mean he can replace what Stepan and Lindberg did. Especially when the puck goes the other way.
Even if he could, he’s only on the ice for 20 mins a game and that’s “if†he can maintain 1st pairing minutes.
Smith. While he was decent in the payoffs, is not exactly a rock on the back end. He’s not bad but he's certainly not great but just OK.
We’ll see if he can carry the momentum into this coming season.
The 3rd pairing is going to be a mish mosh of whichever 2 inexperienced players can steal the job.
No guarantees there either.
I said it before and I’ll say it again. If you’re going to play the speed game, Staal and Holden need to go>>>>
Zib and Hayes are being thrust into roles that they’ve never been in before and both wreak of inconsistency.
Desharnais? Meh..
Most of the above mentioned players are being forced into roles they aren’t used to playing and nothing specifically suggests they’re capable of taking on said roles other than “potentialâ€.
This reminds me of when they tried to shoehorn Nedved or Nylander into playing the #1 Center for past NYR teams.
Yeah I get the whole getting younger thing and I kinda like that part of this equation but as of right now this team is riding into this season on a lot of “what ifsâ€
I can’t say I’m a big fan of JG’s decision making and do I think he’s going to pull a rabit out of his ass and get this team a legit #1 Center?
Hell no!
Just my opinion..
Just because you get a Shattenkirk, that doesn’t mean he can replace what Stepan and Lindberg did. Especially when the puck goes the other way.
Even if he could, he’s only on the ice for 20 mins a game and that’s “if†he can maintain 1st pairing minutes.
Smith. While he was decent in the payoffs, is not exactly a rock on the back end. He’s not bad but he's certainly not great but just OK.
We’ll see if he can carry the momentum into this coming season.
The 3rd pairing is going to be a mish mosh of whichever 2 inexperienced players can steal the job.
No guarantees there either.
I said it before and I’ll say it again. If you’re going to play the speed game, Staal and Holden need to go>>>>
Zib and Hayes are being thrust into roles that they’ve never been in before and both wreak of inconsistency.
Desharnais? Meh..
Most of the above mentioned players are being forced into roles they aren’t used to playing and nothing specifically suggests they’re capable of taking on said roles other than “potentialâ€.
This reminds me of when they tried to shoehorn Nedved or Nylander into playing the #1 Center for past NYR teams.
Yeah I get the whole getting younger thing and I kinda like that part of this equation but as of right now this team is riding into this season on a lot of “what ifsâ€
I can’t say I’m a big fan of JG’s decision making and do I think he’s going to pull a rabit out of his ass and get this team a legit #1 Center?
Hell no!
Just my opinion..
Yes, probably late in the regular season or a bit into the POs, unless he goes to the WCHs but I think that is unlikely.
Hire Sather
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I wonder if we tried to keep Lindberg. I was prepared to give a 3rd in return for Vegas taking a mook of our choice
Gorton wants Miller to play center. AV doesn't sound like he is on board. Gorton hasn't traded for a center which is easier said than done. No trades are made anymore. Brooks wrote there is no trade coming for a center. I know Brooks wrote there was no traction on a Stepan trade for a right handed shooting D and a few hours later Stepan and Raanta were drafted for a first round pick and ADA. Gorton has two of the biggest trades in the last two summers. He has tried to make more. AV will have no choice but to play Miller.
https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-jeff-gorton-said-on-his-conference-call/239892550
Gorton made those comments on July 1.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/11/if-j-t-miller-isnt-instantly-rangers-next-stepan-who-is/
Last week was the first week of August.
Who is playing center?
It doesn't seem like Andersson will be part of the solution for this season.
https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-jeff-gorton-said-about-the-stepan-trade-and-deangelo/238312160
Gorton made those comments before the selection of Andersson. The Rangers shouldn't rush him because they need a center. Andersson will play in Traverse City and be invited to training camp. Maybe the Rangers give him a 9 game trail to look at Andersson and for him to get a feel of the NHL game. Andersson is better off playing major minutes for Frolunda. Both Andersson and Chytil had good summers. Andersson player well in the WJC showcase. Chytil played well in the games against Finland. He will also be in TC and at Rangers camp. Both of them should return to the respective teams in Europe. Play in the WJC. Have strong seasons. Compete for roster spots on the Rangers in 2018-19.
Gorton traded his top center for a player they don't project to help them this coming season. I know they like ADA and what he can add to the team. The Rangers have been after that type of player for a while. They tried to acquire Barrie in 13-14 before he established himself. Del Zotto trade. They tried to acquire Honka for Talbot. A young right handed shooting D.
Move Miller to C. Kreider,Vesey,Zibanejad,Miller,Hayes,Zuccarello,Buchnevich and Nash. Those are your top 8 forwards. Buchnevich and Vesey take that next step. Buchnevich looked like he was going to have really good rookie season but he missed two months with his back injury. The Rangers trade Nash at the trading deadline for the Martin Hanzal package. The Rangers retain some money in the trade. The Rangers will have two #1 picks in 2018. Four first round picks in two years. The rental trades are popular at the trading deadline. It seems those are the only trades made during the season. 186 day season. 40 days left at the deadline. Nash will have $1,677,419 remaining on his cap hit.
https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-jeff-gorton-said-on-his-conference-call/239892550
Gorton made those comments on July 1.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/11/if-j-t-miller-isnt-instantly-rangers-next-stepan-who-is/
Last week was the first week of August.
Who is playing center?
It doesn't seem like Andersson will be part of the solution for this season.
https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-jeff-gorton-said-about-the-stepan-trade-and-deangelo/238312160
Gorton made those comments before the selection of Andersson. The Rangers shouldn't rush him because they need a center. Andersson will play in Traverse City and be invited to training camp. Maybe the Rangers give him a 9 game trail to look at Andersson and for him to get a feel of the NHL game. Andersson is better off playing major minutes for Frolunda. Both Andersson and Chytil had good summers. Andersson player well in the WJC showcase. Chytil played well in the games against Finland. He will also be in TC and at Rangers camp. Both of them should return to the respective teams in Europe. Play in the WJC. Have strong seasons. Compete for roster spots on the Rangers in 2018-19.
Gorton traded his top center for a player they don't project to help them this coming season. I know they like ADA and what he can add to the team. The Rangers have been after that type of player for a while. They tried to acquire Barrie in 13-14 before he established himself. Del Zotto trade. They tried to acquire Honka for Talbot. A young right handed shooting D.
Move Miller to C. Kreider,Vesey,Zibanejad,Miller,Hayes,Zuccarello,Buchnevich and Nash. Those are your top 8 forwards. Buchnevich and Vesey take that next step. Buchnevich looked like he was going to have really good rookie season but he missed two months with his back injury. The Rangers trade Nash at the trading deadline for the Martin Hanzal package. The Rangers retain some money in the trade. The Rangers will have two #1 picks in 2018. Four first round picks in two years. The rental trades are popular at the trading deadline. It seems those are the only trades made during the season. 186 day season. 40 days left at the deadline. Nash will have $1,677,419 remaining on his cap hit.
Made Dan
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Who is your mook of choice, Boss?
I'm assuming we want them in our main camp. If they're already gonna be here I'm all in favor of having them go to TC. Logistics question. Will they be reporting for their Euro club's training camps? Not sure how it works if they're gonna be coming over the pond regardless.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
Just someone who was no use to us.
Perhaps the rights to that Swedish cat we got a few years ago from nsh
Perhaps the rights to that Swedish cat we got a few years ago from nsh
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I called Miller at center hours after the trade but it's not so much him concerns me.
Zib and Hayes as #1 and #2 is a disaster waiting to happen.
They're going to be playing over their heads and if one of them gets injured it's all over.
My prediction.
I expect this team to suck the first 10 games or so due to AV not getting his **** together with the line up, add in the new personnel.
Then they will have a decent run and ultimately fizzle out later on in the season and completely **** the bed come playoff time if they even make it.
Shattenkirk alone doesn't offset what was lost.
Not by a long shot..
Irishguy42
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Made Dan
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True but at that point we knew he would not be starting the season with us. With Lias/Filip, it's a possibility. They're not locks to return to Europe if they don't make the varsity either.
Machinehead
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Machinehead
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Miller playing center is a great idea simply because it means Hayes and Miller aren't together.
TheBloodyNine
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Rangers are about the same this year as last year, difference is they fixed their weakness at D and created a weakness at C. They won't win it all but they'll be competitive, make the playoffs.
People seem to forget that Kevin Hayes was the second line center when Zibanejad got injured.
Team went 15-10.
Hayes being the 2nd line center is much better than Girardi playing on the top pairing.
Team went 15-10.
Hayes being the 2nd line center is much better than Girardi playing on the top pairing.
You lose a 50 point center and add a 50 point defenseman. The latter is much more valuable and much more difficult to replace/pretend you have.
Isn't that the case with any change of roles, for any player? And isn't that 'potential' being decided based on what these players have done already in the league?
What about our wingers? There isn't a team in the league that can match us on LW down all four lines. And RW is very good too. Zuccarello, Buchnevich, Fast, Miller. 3 guys with 50 point ability next season. We are incredibly deep at forward, still.
In 2013-14 our top four centers were Stepan (recently graduated to 1a/b in the lockout yearâ€â€much like Zibanejad's injury-shortened try last year), B.Richards (a shell of a player, a glorified Pirri at that point), Brassard (a to that point 3C in a terrible Columbus org.), and Moore (who hadn't played in a year (two?)).
In 2014-15 our top four centers were Stepan, Brassard, Hayes, and Moore. Brassard had one season as a 2/3 with us. Hayes was a rookie, and a winger.
There have been stickier center situations than this one, and we've yet to see this kind of ability and depth on the back-end under AV. I think, as far as gambles go, this is a safe a bet as we could've made.
You mean those guys who both had 75 point seasons?
Nedved didn't score no 75 points in his last stint and Nylander did it once with a prime Jagr on his wing.
Neither of them were a true #1 Center especially compared to the other Centers in the league at the time...#99, #11 and #88 to name a few
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
The problem then is that he could become the next Hlavac--a very talented guy that burns out fast because he just throws the puck as far away from him as possible... I really agree that he can't be relegated to a bottom-six shutdown C. There's a lot we've yet to get out of him.
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