Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXV: Sell some now, buy some later

[UnSandvich]

So here’s another question:

assuming you could trade either Strome or Buch and you could keep one of the other only for about $5.5m per season for 4-5 years, which do you choose? Before the season, I’d probably lean Buch but Strine’s versatility is extremely useful

Trade Strome all day every day

 

[NYR Viper]

Trade Strome all day every day

I think I would agree with this but it’s become a more difficult decision for sure

 

[kovazub94]

At what point do we say we don’t need to ‘upgrade’ Strome?

At a point you know how much he’s paid on his next contract and what’s happening with 1C.

 

[kovazub94]

The combination of Chytil/Kaako for sure seems to have the ability to, in short order, becoming a pretty dominant 2-way duo. The question is, who’s on the LW.

Hmmm, let me check if there are options?

 

[UnSandvich]

I think I would agree with this but it’s become a more difficult decision for sure

After Buchnevich's play this season, and Kakko's lack of results thus far (his underlying numbers notwithstanding) & Kravtsov coming in as a rookie, Buchnevich is not expendable right now.

On the other hand, I think Chytil is showing he's ready to fill the spot we're leaving when Strome is traded

 

[kovazub94]

I think it almost has to be right? Lafreniere and Panarin aren’t going there. That line would have the puck all the time.

See this is what I wish I saw more from Quinn and his staff. The thought to project forward how things SHOULD work. Something like:

Panarin-Strome-Gauthier
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Buch
Kreider-Chytil-Kakko
Lemieux-Rooney-Howden

to me, if this team stick together into next year, that’s the general map I’d like to see just based on how they could be used and how I think the team could be successful.

Gauthier or Lafreniere are not ready for these roles but this is quite possible as soon as next season (plus find a spot for Kravtsov who could play either wing)

 

[jay from jersey]

Too bad they couldn’t have saved some of those goals from philly to add in the Washington game. Becomes harder to score when the team doesn’t bend over for half the game ya chud. And I’m not a Quinn lover by any means.

 

[Fitzy]

Trade Strome all day every day

I agree, but there is an additional factor that OP didn't consider.

Buchnevich brings back a hell of a lot more in a trade than Strome does.

Also- Keith Olbermann is an ass hat. IDK why I have to keep seeing quotes of his.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Would the Rangers have interest in Barrett Hayton?




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Alexis Lafrenière and Hayton were teammates on the 2020 Canadian WJC team. They had some chemistry in the tournament.

John Chayka selected Hayton higher than he was projected because Arizona wanted a center. He is exempt from the expansion draft.

The weird thing with Hayton is that it's so difficult to get a sense of what his value is. Does Arizona want a (lower) 1st this year or next from a contender? Or would they negotiate on a lower prospect and pick like a Howden/Hajek plus a 2nd or 3rd rounder?

I wouldn't trade a 1st for him but I think he can garner more than Howden or Hajek and a pick.

Lundkvist is untouchable in my book. Schneider and Robertson are close to it in my book. The farm is too thin up front to trade a forward prospect. That leaves trading someone like Zach Jones. I'd do Jones and a mid/low pick or a warm body for Hayton.

 

[NYR]

I voted for 2 more periods simply because there wasn't an immediate termination option lol

 

[Leetch3]

So here’s another question:

assuming you could trade either Strome or Buch and you could keep one of the other only for about $5.5m per season for 4-5 years, which do you choose? Before the season, I’d probably lean Buch but Strine’s versatility is extremely useful

i think strome is hugely under-appreciated here...but given the choice, i'm picking buch. chytil is ready to be 2C, not as clear on the young wingers....but either way you need to make sure there is no NMC/NTC clause so you have the option to move them in year 3+ of the deal if the kids emerge and we need the cap flexibility...

but I think the first domino in the cap situation is what we are going to do with 1C...how much cap space we allocate to that position will likely dictate our options for the rest of the lineup....

 

[leetch99]

Just had a quick look at Hayton's games played.....I doubt a club would trade a top 5 pick after 34 NHL games . I think that is a dead end ....unless they have an abundance of C depth and or need a top 4 Dman like Lundkvist who might reach that level in the NHL.....and might not not either . Worth a phone call for sure especially if they want to part ways .

 

[jay from jersey]

i think strome is hugely under-appreciated here...but given the choice, i'm picking buch. chytil is ready to be 2C, not as clear on the young wingers....but either way you need to make sure there is no NMC/NTC clause so you have the option to move them in year 3+ of the deal if the kids emerge and we need the cap flexibility...

but I think the first domino in the cap situation is what we are going to do with 1C...how much cap space we allocate to that position will likely dictate our options for the rest of the lineup....

I think your right on both counts to an extent. I think many don’t give strome enough credit, he’s basically turned around his career here. However, with the steps Chytil has taken this season, I’d love to see him with an increased role next year. More minutes, PP,etc. basically strome s role now. I think if Fil has another good offseason and practices his face offs he could be a 2nd line monster.

 

[Leetch3]

Just had a quick look at Hayton's games played.....I doubt a club would trade a top 5 pick after 34 NHL games . I think that is a dead end ....unless they have an abundance of C depth and or need a top 4 Dman like Lundkvist who might reach that level in the NHL.....and might not not either . Worth a phone call for sure especially if they want to part ways .

yeah my interest is based on the idea that they have soured on him for whatever reason and its a buy low option...not looking to offer enough to pry him away since he hasn't had success as a pro. in a buy low option i'm willing to gamble thats because he was rushed to the pros cause he's only 20. but definitely not trading nils for him.

 

[kovazub94]

So here’s another question:

assuming you could trade either Strome or Buch and you could keep one of the other only for about $5.5m per season for 4-5 years, which do you choose? Before the season, I’d probably lean Buch but Strine’s versatility is extremely useful

My heart says keep Buch, my brain says it should be Strome.

 

[duhmetreE]

Just had a quick look at Hayton's games played.....I doubt a club would trade a top 5 pick after 34 NHL games . I think that is a dead end ....unless they have an abundance of C depth and or need a top 4 Dman like Lundkvist who might reach that level in the NHL.....and might not not either . Worth a phone call for sure especially if they want to part ways .

From what I gathered, Arizona's top priority is shedding salary

Dvorak is due $5M next season. We can take that off their hands.

I'd imagine they really want to move OEL.. can't really see any takers in this market. Kessel as well.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

For Hayton I'd consider moving our 1st this year assuming no lottery win. ~10th overall pick in a weak draft.

Maybe I am overrating the Hayton I remember from the WJCs. Don't presume to have seen him a lick this year. But if he can be a Brassard-like add at 20 years old I'd move the pick.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The weird thing with Hayton is that it's so difficult to get a sense of what his value is. Does Arizona want a (lower) 1st this year or next from a contender? Or would they negotiate on a lower prospect and pick like a Howden/Hajek plus a 2nd or 3rd rounder?

I wouldn't trade a 1st for him but I think he can garner more than Howden or Hajek and a pick.

Lundkvist is untouchable in my book. Schneider and Robertson are close to it in my book. The farm is too thin up front to trade a forward prospect. That leaves trading someone like Zach Jones. I'd do Jones and a mid/low pick or a warm body for Hayton.

Hayton has a better chance of being that multi purpose middle six center than anyone else we have so I'd certainly take a shot.

Howden+Jones. If Nils is being traded, it has to be for more of a sure thing.

 

[jay from jersey]

From what I gathered, Arizona's top priority is shedding salary

Dvorak is due $5M next season. We can take that off their hands.

I'd imagine they really want to move OEL.. can't really see any takers in this market. Kessel as well.

OEL will only waive for Boston so he’s out. Dvorak could be a target. I’m not as high on him as many others are though.

 

[duhmetreE]

OEL will only waive for Boston so he’s out. Dvorak could be a target. I’m not as high on him as many others are though.

Dvorak fits the bill. We don't need world beaters at center. Solid 2way middle 6 centers fit our need IMO. He's much better than Strome and Chytil right now defensively. That's the main difference... and he has a nice contract/good value

 

[DutchShamrock]

So here’s another question:

assuming you could trade either Strome or Buch and you could keep one of the other only for about $5.5m per season for 4-5 years, which do you choose? Before the season, I’d probably lean Buch but Strine’s versatility is extremely useful

I keep Buch, which isn't a knock on Strome.

I think we need a more diverse center group. Too similar between Mika, Strome and Chytil. I would like to get a defensive, match up specialist in the 3rd line.

 

[tomobson]

Dvorak would be ideal but it's not going to happen.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

We dodged a bullet not giving Strome a long term deal last summer

My appetite to give him an extension past what he’s got now is in the negatives

 

[Avery16]

 

[Sayba]

After Buchnevich's play this season, and Kakko's lack of results thus far (his underlying numbers notwithstanding) & Kravtsov coming in as a rookie, Buchnevich is not expendable right now.

On the other hand, I think Chytil is showing he's ready to fill the spot we're leaving when Strome is traded

What do you suggest we do with Kakko and Kravtsov?