Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[Machinehead]

Eichel is another one to be honest. Great player, but for 10 million a year?

I've said it before, you have to avoid overpayment in a cap league. If you're gonna splash an eight-digit salary, I want an absolute game-changing star like Panarin.

Eichel is an excellent player but he's not on the same planet as Artemi Panarin. We have our game-changer and we don't need another one.

I'd rather spend 5-6M on good play-drivers who can support Panarin rather than handcuff ourselves to Zibanejad or Eichel because "your franchise players needs to be a center!"

We have two and they're not centers. You have to play the hand you're dealt.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Eichel is another one to be honest. Great player, but for 10 million a year?

I've said it before, you have to avoid overpayment in a cap league. If you're gonna splash an eight-digit salary, I want an absolute game-changing star like Panarin.

Eichel is an excellent player but he's not on the same planet as Artemi Panarin. We have our game-changer and we don't need another one.

I'd rather spend 5-6M on good play-drivers who can support Panarin rather than handcuff ourselves to Zibanejad or Eichel because "your franchise players needs to be a center!"

We have two and they're not centers. You have to play the hand you're dealt.

I really don't see Eichel as a good fit here, but much like Taylor Hall, he's taking hits he really shouldn't (in perceived value not on the ice).

This was last season on a (as usual) garbage Buffalo team.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Will it boil down to

Eichel @ 10m/y

or Zibs @ 8m/y

?

 

[jay from jersey]

It's not like Kravtsov has been stapled to the 4th line. He has gotten time with other lines as well.

I agree that Howden is ineffective at 5 on 5 and I would like to see Gauthier get in. I don't hate Howden, but he just hasn't progressed in his time here, for whatever reason.

Bring up Barron and see what he can do, or let Gauthier play. Rooney can play center and we have enough guys to handle PK duties without Howden.

He really should have been in the AHL to let his offensive game develop but you can’t put that peanut butter back in the jar at this point. He’s a Quinn favorite so I expect we see a heavy dose of him on 4th line for the rest of the year. Uncle Larry will write about article and Gauthier night get a game here and there

 

[Machinehead]

I really don't see Eichel as a good fit here, but much like Taylor Hall, he's taking hits he really shouldn't (in perceived value not on the ice).

This was last season on a (as usual) garbage Buffalo team.

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These charts are team relative and sometimes guys actually get a boost from playing on terrible teams.

Over the last four years, Panarin is 4th in the NHL in even strength points/60. Eichel is 51st. If you have Jack Eichel on your books, you're spending like 4 million a year on powerplay points.

For a guy who stands in the exact spot Panarin stands in.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They shouldn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do. The Turcotte example especially...just checks all the boxes of how NHL GMs actually think. Turcotte is a center and has the pedigree edge so wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo prefers him as a headliner. At the same time, I would imagine LA sees what many of us do...that the shine is off his star a little bit. Therefore he is the perfect balance that gets a trade to actually clear. I'd wager that a deal around Turcotte will look like "O'Reilly 2.0" sooner rather than later but that doesn't mean Buffalo won't bite on it.

They very well may, I honestly have no idea what they're thinking.

OTOH, It seems like they're pretty set on building around Dahlin and get him Swede bro to pair with, both for the way things are set up for them and to keep your now franchise player happy for the time being before he goes the route of Eichel himself. My point was really just because LA has prospect depth at C that doesn't mean that they have more value to offer.

Just for clarification, I don't think I'd be willing to give up a package centered around Chytil and Nils for Eichel. There are too many red flags for me with Eichel and think that we can find better ways to use our assets to fill holes.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If LA wants to overpay for Eichel be my guest

I want eichel but I’m not paying out the ass to get him

 

[Machinehead]

They very well may, I honestly have no idea what they're thinking.

OTOH, It seems like they're pretty set on building around Dahlin and get him Swede bro to pair with, both for the way things are set up for them and to keep your now franchise player happy for the time being before he goes the route of Eichel himself. My point was really just because LA has prospect depth at C that doesn't mean that they have more value to offer.

Just for clarification, I don't think I'd be willing to give up a package centered around Chytil and Nils for Eichel. There are too many red flags for me with Eichel and think that we can find better ways to use our assets to fill holes.

Speaking of red flags, for a board that blames everything on not having heart, this is a guy who just peaced out mentality because the team sucks.

Yeah, they do suck. So do the Oilers and McDavid gets better and better without saying a word. I got news for you, so did the Rangers two years ago and Panarin wanted to be here.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Adams just got schooled at the TDL. A 2nd, two 3rds, a 5th and Bjork for Hall (50%), Lazar, Staal and Montour. It's a bit of a joke in the media so I expect Adams to dig in on Eichel and maybe try to mimic Sakic with Duchene.

Saving that, he has to deal Eichel far, far away so Jack isn't spanking the Sabres at home 3 or 4 times a season. Adams is inexperienced and losing the trade no matter what. He won't repeat the Duchene trade with the $10m cap hit in this climate. So he has to ignore objectivity and just trade Jack to LA.

Or I'm telling myself this because this really feels inevitable and an Eichel trade will derail a cup until 2038.

 

[duhmetreE]

The way I see it... We have way too much talent to be paying people based on their PP success.

What's your 5v5 xG and xGA

 

[duhmetreE]

I really don't see Eichel as a good fit here, but much like Taylor Hall, he's taking hits he really shouldn't (in perceived value not on the ice).

This was last season on a (as usual) garbage Buffalo team.

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Matthews and Eichel are very similar players imo.

Last season was Eichels best in scoring. Matthews does it every year. I'd take and value Matthews over Eichel.

 

[Fitzy]

Will it boil down to

Eichel @ 10m/y

or Zibs @ 8m/y

?

Well that's not all it boils down to when you consider the cost of acquisition via trade.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Well, if the Rangers don't get Eichels(which I am ok with).

They will either have to swap top propect(s)for a top prospect center.

It also means the Rangers need to construct a better line for Zib.

You may be able to do both if you can trade Krieder in some sort of package.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Will it boil down to

Eichel @ 10m/y

or Zibs @ 8m/y

?

Now do their ages

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If LA is going to put up a "dizzying" offer it should get done fairly quickly in the offseason. Buffalo doesn't have too many options so if they are putting that kind of offer on the table then they will take it and run. Nobody will beat that.

If however, this thing drags, I think it's pretty obvious that that is not the case on LA's offer.

 

[LannyMcdonald]

Eichel is another one to be honest. Great player, but for 10 million a year?

I've said it before, you have to avoid overpayment in a cap league. If you're gonna splash an eight-digit salary, I want an absolute game-changing star like Panarin.

Eichel is an excellent player but he's not on the same planet as Artemi Panarin. We have our game-changer and we don't need another one.

I'd rather spend 5-6M on good play-drivers who can support Panarin rather than handcuff ourselves to Zibanejad or Eichel because "your franchise players needs to be a center!"

We have two and they're not centers. You have to play the hand you're dealt.

Best trade is the one you don't make

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well that's not all it boils down to when you consider the cost of acquisition via trade.

And other alternative options which are bound to pop up between now and whenever someone would have to make that choice.

I'm cool with waiting this out a year and improving other areas this summer which honestly, need more attention.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Best trade is the one you don't make

Mika for brassard says what?

 

[duhmetreE]

This is not an 8x8 player. This is not an attack on Zibanejad, who I like. This is about the Rangers not making a mistake they've made many times before.

It's interesting but I still dont think Eichel is worth the cost. Unless its a swap for Mika++

I'm trying to slowly accept that he has a chance of being a Ranger. @Edge has made it sound like management is 'all-in' ( or atleast that's how I took it )

Eichel most likely means another year of Quinn.... with new assistants, it'd be tolerable.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

It's interesting but I still dont think Eichel is worth the cost. Unless its a swap for Mika++

Well, if you go by past reports. The Rangers were offering something very reasonable.

So I'm guessing two top young players. Maybe Kakko and Miller with someone else plus a pick?

 

[duhmetreE]

Well, if you go by past reports. The Rangers were offering something very reasonable.

So I'm guessing two top young players. Maybe Kakko and Miller with someone else with a pick?

HEEEEEEEEEEELL No.

Matching salary, ie Zibs, Strome, Buch
Good/decent youngins ie Chytil, Jones, HWDEN, Gauthier, Berard etc.
Maybe Lundkvist if they trust Scheider is not too far.
+ picks

I do not give up any of the big boys for Eichel. ( Fox, KAM, Laf, Krav and Kakko )

If I had to guess Mika/Strome/Chytil, Buch, Jones + 1st.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Best trade is the one you don't make

Mika for brassard says what?

Yeah exactly. Gomez for McDonagh? Jagr? Adam Fox? Pretty happy those trades were made.

 

[Kodiak]

Will it boil down to

Eichel @ 10m/y

or Zibs @ 8m/y

?

It’s not quite that simple. Let’s say Zibanejad signs at 8m for 6 years.

Eichel @ 10m for ages 25-30
or
Zibanejad @ 8m for ages 29-35

Eichel will be in his prime years, while Zibanejad is potentially in a steep decline.

Then you also have to factor in the cost of acquisition of Eichel and the potential return for trading Zibanejad.

Honestly, there’s good points to be made on both sides of this one.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Forget Eichel... its not happening, they didn't aquire all these top end players to trade them for one guy and Buffalo needs a home run on this one or they won't make a trade, they dont have to and making no trade is better than moving your franchise center for spare parts.

 

[Calad]

Well it depends, is Byfield warded off? Because of he is, I don't think this is true.

Just because a guy is a center doesn't necessarily mean they have more value. Like I'd take Heiskanen over Jack Hughes any day of the week.

Does Turcotte (who as a D+2 is putting up .5 PPG in a watered down AHL) have more value than Nils? Vilardi (who has his own extensive injury history) more than Chytil (who has been more productive with out the PP time and in 12 fewer games. They were both taken in the same draft year.)

I don't even really want Eichel, even less so post discectomy (which isn't a death sentence for an athlete necessarily, but this isn't like scoping a knee) but to me this rumor sounds like someone read the article on the Athletic from a few weeks ago and is trying to piece together something that doesn't really exist. Even if this info IS true (and I have every reason to doubt its validity) I don't think its a slam dunk that the Kings have more "valuable" pieces to move. They have more volume in terms of prospects, but thats really it.

If Buffalo is trading their star 1c, they are looking for a replacement for him in return. Cozens should be good but he hasn't proven anything. Buffalo's system otherwise is lacking for Cs. This is why the Kings package would beat ours, because it fits Buffalo's needs much better. If they can get byfield or 2 of the other 4 C prospects in return, I don't think twice if I'm rob blake. Maybe if the rangers consider offering some of the kids that were rumored to be "untouchable" it would give him pause, but I highly doubt that is happening.