Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXI

[Edge]

This isn't a go at you specifically but I think we too often always expect players to be 'better' than their prior comparables but in most cases having them be the same level would be an excellent outcome.

Like I've compared Lias Andersson to Steve Rucchin, Kakko to Frolov, Lafreniere to Nash, Lundkvist to Stralman, and Fox to Rafalski, and been told in all five cases that I'm underselling the prospect.

Unfortunately, that does happen quite a bit. With young players/prospects, the future is always brighter than the past or present. It's very easy to start inching expectations higher and higher.

I do think some of those expectations are probably on the lower end --- especially for Lafreniere and Kakko, but I also get the thought process as well.

I do think that Lafreniere and Kakko are very much unlike any prospects we ever had --- in terms of Day One potential/projections, draft position, etc.

The two possible challengers to the claim are Leetch and Kovalev. Though I'd argue Leetch at age 18 didn't come in with nearly the expectations, and both he and Kovalev had more question marks at the same stage. Leetch eventually got to that level, and Kovalev, though dazzling, was always a player I had more concerns about than most. (In many ways he was genesis of my opinions on "skill" vs. real-world applications.)

Taking aside the pace MacKinnon was cutting this past season, production-wise you're really hoping for something more long the line of what Colorado was getting from MacKinnon prior and a typical Rantanen season. And I don't think that's an outlandish expectation (nor is the possibility that someone like Lafreniere hits a crazy next level at 23/24 like Mackinnon has done).

 

[Edge]

Dubinsky has a good taste in HF posters.View attachment 378807View attachment 378808

There are many people in the sport (players and personnel) who are on these boards.

That's also why some posters have to be very careful about what they share and when they share it.

 

[jay from jersey]

There are many people in the sport (players and personnel) who are on these boards.

That's also why some posters have to be very careful about what they share and when they share it.

Don’t forget about Larry who stalks the boards constantly looking for ideas for his articles. This is one of the better sites to gage the pulse of the fan base from a lot of knowledgeable people

 

[EdJovanovski]

There are many people in the sport (players and personnel) who are on these boards.

That's also why some posters have to be very careful about what they share and when they share it.

I may or may not actually be Nick Holden.

 

[Blueblood9]

Imagine getting a salary to sit in a corner and have the rest of the player development group point at you and say “don’t develop into that”.

dude went to dartmouth. from what i understand to have an ivy league education you have to be pretty smart.

 

[SA16]

dude went to dartmouth. from what i understand to have an ivy league education you have to be pretty smart.

not if you’re an athlete

 

[LokiDog]

dude went to dartmouth. from what i understand to have an ivy league education you have to be pretty smart.

It was just a joke.

 

[n8]

dude went to dartmouth. from what i understand to have an ivy league education you have to be pretty smart.

or money

 

[Inferno]

I may or may not actually be Nick Holden.

I've met you. Can confirm this.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I may or may not actually be Nick Holden.

Some have likened my writing style to Tom Poti

 

[Edge]

dude went to dartmouth. from what i understand to have an ivy league education you have to be pretty smart.

Glass is a cool guy, very aware of the game and the approach needed to over-achieve.

People may not like how he was used, or the contract he was given, but all that shit is beyond his control.

 

[Profet]

Some have likened my writing style to Tom Poti

Nerd.

 

[Fvital92]

I may or may not actually be Nick Holden.

Just in case you are... You suck!

 

[Kendo]

How about a rare Tanner Glass spotting in the video conference call in the war room prior to the draft being underway?
(Far left)

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Isn't that JOrts in the top right, as well?

 

[Mikos87]

I may or may not actually be Nick Holden.

Thanks for Julien Gauthier.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Glass is a cool guy, very aware of the game and the approach needed to over-achieve.

People may not like how he was used, or the contract he was given, but all that shit is beyond his control.

If I could have my pick between a Tanner Glass and a Sidney Crosby to be in charge of prospect development, I'd pick Tanner Glass any day because those type of players know what it takes to make it. They had to work for it, study tapes more, spend more time on understanding the little nuances since they (to quote Herb Brooks) didn't have enough talent to make it on talent alone.

 

[Thirty One]

If I could have my pick between a Tanner Glass and a Sidney Crosby to be in charge of prospect development, I'd pick Tanner Glass any day because those type of players know what it takes to make it. They had to work for it, study tapes more, spend more time on understanding the little nuances since they (to quote Herb Brooks) didn't have enough talent to make it on talent alone.

I would choose Crosby because that would weaken the Penguins.

 

[Irishguy42]

I think the argument of Glass vs Crosby is a bit of an exxageration.

You take Crosby every time. His work ethic is well documented and you can book it that Glass doesn't come close in regards to studying/prep-work.

Yes, the players at the bottom of the totem pole have to work and study pretty hard because the raw talent isn't there to match the top players.

But Glass ain't outworking Crosby.

Inb4 Gretzky's coaching stint in Arizona is brought up

 

[SA16]

I'd still be interested in bringing in Messier as a head coach.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'd still be interested in bringing in Messier as a head coach.

Same, but for different reasons. I like chaos

 

[Profet]

I'd still be interested in bringing in Messier as a head coach.

Isn't Messier notoriously bad with younger players?

No first hand experience... Just reading between the lines through lots of posts from many different posters over the years.

 

[Thirty One]

Isn't Messier notoriously bad with younger players?

No.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Isn't Messier notoriously bad with younger players?

No first hand experience... Just reading between the lines through lots of posts from many different posters over the years.

Outside of shaving their private bits, dunno

 

[RGY]

I’m surprised we havent signed Matt Martin with the division alignment tbh.

I expect us to sign a vet on a cheap deal. Brassard/Haula/Granlund/Boyle

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If I could have my pick between a Tanner Glass and a Sidney Crosby to be in charge of prospect development, I'd pick Tanner Glass any day because those type of players know what it takes to make it. They had to work for it, study tapes more, spend more time on understanding the little nuances since they (to quote Herb Brooks) didn't have enough talent to make it on talent alone.

No way....Sid scratched and clawed from day one to be better every year. You can maybe say this about a guy like Kovalev or Yashin but you can't lump Sid in there. I've seen some of his offseason work and the help he's given prospects from the Maritimes, there's no wonder guys like Marchand, MacKinnon, Graves, etc have improved every offseason and its because they train and skate with Sid in the offseason. Even Morgan and Justin Barron have gotten the rub. I understand your point but Sid isn't the best example, id take him near over anyone.