Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXIV: Less than 24 hours till draft time

[duhmetreE]

The Rangers philosophy, especially under Sather/Gorton, is to get their guy and go home. Don't get cute with the picks, don't gamble for what typically amounts to be a minimal reward. Just get your guy by any means necessary and live with the consequences of your decision.

This will be the first time they take a player from the Q in the first round in more than 40 years. So who knows what other trend-breakers we could see. But I think you're more likely to see the Rangers draft two players from Q in this year's first than you are to see the team trade down.

I'd be ecstatic with Bourque at #22.

Barron makes sense in timing. Could be Troubas 'replacement' if all goes well.,

 

[Edge]

Really wish we would find a way to move up and take Lundell. But it doesnt sound like they are too keen on making that happen and more content staying at 22.

Cost would get very high. I don't see an appetite for a 3 for 1 trade to get a pick.

Now, if Lundell is there at 14 and Edmonton is serious about moving down and also thinks Georgiev addresses their goaltending issue? There's your potential window.

 

[Edge]

I'd be ecstatic with Bourque at #22.

Barron makes sense since in timing. Could be Troubas 'replacement' if all goes well.,

I freely admit that I don't love Barron at 22. As a Robertson like pick-up if we land a second? Sure. But at 22, I just have my doubts about him.

 

[RGY]

Cost would get very high. I don't see an appetite for a 3 for 1 trade to get a pick.

Now, if Lundell is there at 14 and Edmonton is serious about moving down and also thinks Georgiev addresses their goaltending issue? There's your potential window.

3 for 1... yikes.

I wish Lundell would fall to 14 but I dont see it.

 

[bleedblue94]

Cost would get very high. I don't see an appetite for a 3 for 1 trade to get a pick.

Now, if Lundell is there at 14 and Edmonton is serious about moving down and also thinks Georgiev addresses their goaltending issue? There's your potential window.

I just have a hard time seeing the wild pass on him. They have been so desperate for a potential top 2 center for years, unless they do something crazy like deal for stammer in a complete left field move...

 

[GAGLine]

@Edge is there any chance we take on an expiring contract for a year from strapped teams in order to get another asset/pick? Or is that something you haven’t heard?

I don't think there's any chance of that happening. Even if we had the cap space (we don't), we aren't at a point in our rebuild where doing that makes sense.

 

[HonestGabe]

So we are weak down the middle and our solution now is to trade strome, push chytil to 2c when he hasnt't shown he is an effective 3c, and sign wennberg as the new 3c when he was playing the fourth line last year and was healthy scratched. if this happens then two weeks into the new season everyone will be bitching our center depth is too thin, go figure.

IF wennberg is brought in here it is to be a 3c if chytil is dealt in a package for a true 2c. if you go into next year with chytil and wennberg as your 2/3 anbd chytil struggles then you're going to see a one hit wonder in wennberg be force fed to panarin, or better yet maybe howden becomes our best option at 2c and then everyone can jump off the cliff.

You're assuming no other moves are made for a 2C. I agree, I don't want to go in with that center depth. I was advocating him as a depth option.

I don't think the Rangers will let Strome walk to UFA and I'm sure they could get assets for him.

If the team views Chytil as a winger (or at least versatile enough to play both) then a good 3C who can also play the wing is a good investment as well.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why do I get the feeling that we're going to make a trade thats completely out of left field?

 

[bleedblue94]

You're assuming no other moves are made for a 2C. I agree, I don't want to go in with that center depth. I was advocating him as a depth option.

I don't think the Rangers will let Strome walk to UFA and I'm sure they could get assets for him.

If the team views Chytil as a winger (or at least versatile enough to play both) then a good 3C who can also play the wing is a good investment as well.

It wasn't directed at you, it was directed in general to the bunch of posts that listed him as an option for the mid 6. He is not a mid 6 player at this point in his career, and any team that relies on him to be one is setting themselves up for issues.

 

[HonestGabe]

It wasn't directed at you, it was directed in general to the bunch of posts that listed him as an option for the mid 6. He is not a mid 6 player at this point in his career, and any team that relies on him to be one is setting themselves up for issues.

Sure, and I agree.

I don't think expecting him to play on your third line at say 1.5-2m AAV is a bad option though.

 

[Thirty One]

Don't forget that Bobby Clarke was just flabbergasted that the Rangers took Sanguinetti because the Flyers REALLY REALLY wanted him and were getting excited that he was so close to falling to them. Clarke actually forgot Giroux's name at the podium because he was so set on taking Sanguinetti and then had to settle for this other guy.

No I will never forget that bit of Ranger folklore.

 

[CaptTennille]

Why do I get the feeling that we're going to make a trade thats completely out of left field?

Brendan Smith to the Yankees for Brett Gardner. They could use his versatility.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I freely admit that I don't love Barron at 22. As a Robertson like pick-up if we land a second? Sure. But at 22, I just have my doubts about him

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Agreed. I’m really hoping for a Center since we don’t have much in the farm of C prospects. I’m hoping one of these guys fall in our lap or we can move up to 16-18

 

[mas0764]

I won't pretend to know if Guhle is/isnt worth taking at 22.

Is he considered more of a safe pick? Or is he a boom/bust type of guy?

Very raw, long term project.

I don't think I'd love it.

Feels like Dylan McIlrath again to me. I guess depends who is on the board, but almost certainly if he's the pick, he's being selected over a guy like Perrault, Bourque, Greig, or someone like that.

 

[Thirty One]

My analysis on potential draft day Rangers moves:

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Someone should start a live GDT for today at around 3PM.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Have a feeling something is gonna drop soon

 

[Kovalev27]

I gotta think the Rangers are done with Strome no? This is almost at the level of insult to not qualify him at this point. Means if anything even if they kept him short term they don’t even want to pay him at his qualifying number no?

 

[Thirty One]

I gotta think the Rangers are done with Strome no? This is almost at the level of insult to not qualify him at this point. Means if anything even if they kept him short term they don’t even want to pay him at his qualifying number no?

I'm sure they're fine with his QO number, it's the potential arbitration number that scares them IMO.

 

[Fitzy]

So unless there's some sort of run on defenders the way there was a run on centers in 2010 seems like it's almost a certainty it's a defenseman as our BPA at 22.

I don't think that's a problem but it certainly makes me lean more in the direction of keeping Strome over trading him especially if no trade for a pivot is made.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

history? He played in the league sanguinetti didn’t?

It’s easy to go back and say you missed and this guy was better.

I never said take the Dman I like over the center every time. That’s absurd. I said I rather take a dman I like than reach for a center just because he’s a center. So the response made no sense

No but who's to say Giroux was the better prospect at the time?

 

[bobbop]

He would seem to be a decent buy-low candidate.

I really like the idea of Wennberg

He’s a very good buy low candidate. Skates like the wind

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Sanguinetti was ranked higher than Giroux pre-draft, this ranking was 9 months prior to the draft. He was a top player.

The following are the Top 15 Players, as ranked by ISS, heading into the 2005-06 season:
Rank Name2005-06 TeamCountry
1.Phil Kessel University of Minnesota USA
2.Michael Frolik Kladno Czech Republic
3.Jonathon Toews University of North Dakota Canada
4.James Sheppard Cape BretonCanada
5.Jordan Staal PeterboroughCanada
6.Peter Mueller Everett USA
7.Erik JohnsonUS Under 18USA
8.Bryan LittleBarrieCanada
9.David Ruzicka KladnoCzech Republic
10.Jesse JoensuuAssatFinland
11. John DegrayBramptonCanada
12. Bobby SanguinettiOwen SoundUSA
13. Tysen Dowzak Kelowna Canada
14. Kyle OkposoDes MoinesUSA
15. Nicklas Backstrom Brynas Sweden

 

[duhmetreE]

He’s a very good buy low candidate. Skates like the wind

I take it he's better at wing?> Can he PK?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Can't believe we are talking about the 2006 draft right now but yes, Sanguinetti was widely regarded as a borderline top 10, top 15 guy leading up to the draft that the NYR "stole"