Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency

[Edge]

I wonder if CK to Col for Newhook+ is still something being discussed??

@Edge

Any thoughts??

I seriously doubt it.

I also think Gorton is of the, “you know my number if you want to reach me” mindset at the moment.

 

[egelband]

We invited Tony Amonte's son to Development Camp. Played at BU under Coach Quinn.

No Virta there. I guess that door is virtually shut now. I remember there was some thought he might still get a look-see.
Interested to see Ragnarsson there. Does he have a future in the NHL?

 

[Tawnos]

The Flames just did it for Hamonic two seasons ago coming off a year where they were the WC team.

Ok, so that’s one. It’s not common though and I’d be surprised if you’d often be able to find one.

 

[GAGLine]

With the cap only being at 81.5m this year and possibly only going up to 83m and being set at that number for 2-3 years is a major reason I dont want the rangers to be buying anyone out. Shatty Smith and Staal have two years left on their deals. For the love of the rangers please just let them run out. We dont need (depending on who is bought out) 3-6m in dead cap space for 4 more years.

It's not as bad as you think. As of right now, this is our dead cap space:

2019-20: 5.336 mil (Girardi 3.611, Spooner .9 and Beleskey buried at .825)
2020-21: 1.111 mil (Girardi)
2021-22: 1.111 mil (Girardi)
2022-23: 1.111 mil (Girardi)

However, if you add Shatty's cap hit to that, you get:

2019-20: 5.336 mil + 6.65
2020-21: 1.111 mil + 6.65
2021-22: 1.111 mil
2022-23: 1.111 mil

If we buyout Shatty, the dead cap space would be:

2019-20: 6.819
2020-21: 7.194
2021-22: 2.544
2022-23: 2.544

The costs next year are comparable, even if you factor in a cheap replacement player. In 2021-22, Hank, Staal and Smith come off the books. 2.544 in dead cap won't be a big deal. By 2022-23, when Kakko and Kravtsov are up for new deals, the cap should go up from the new TV money.

This also doesn't factor in potential trades of Kreider, Names, Buch or Vesey.

The point is that buying out Shatty doesn't really hurt us. Of course, this is predicated on us not being able to find a trade partner. If we trade him at 50% with no other money coming back, the dead space would be:

2019-20: 8.661
2020-21: 4.436
2021-22: 1.111
2022-23: 1.111

So we'd have less cap space this year, but more over the next 3 years.

 

[I Eat Crow]

We invited Tony Amonte's son to Development Camp. Played at BU under Coach Quinn.

I didn't realize how huge Rykov is

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

People were bringing up Filpulla here to kind of be the old Finn in the room for Kakko. As you know I'm a pretty big fan of his, he's versatile, and his salary won't be so outrageous. It'll be on par with what it was with the Islanders which is not much for a player in NY. Him and Strome rotating as a 2C or 3W for a year isn't the worst idea.

Any two of Filpulla, Simmonds, Boyle, Brassard, Kunahckel are the kind of veterans I'd bring in and if they can clear some cap room I'd look into Perry on a higher one year deal or Tanev on a longer deal.

And we all know the usual names to clear out: Vesey and Namestnikov.

I'm more than ok with signing filpula and a player like Boyle that can play up and down our lineup but honestly I'm hoping if we do that it's nothing more than 1 year deals. Those two contracts need to be tradeable at the deadline to cup contenders so we can get more draft capital or prospects. I like both players but 1-2 years tops.

 

[Nickmo82]

English please

High up good. Down low bad.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

And thus you’ve stumbled onto why this religion has historically struggled to win converts more than it should.

And it’s a real shame because there’s good stuff there.

I feel like I gotta take a Motrin after trying to read that.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

We dun gud.

We picked guys who are largely doing better than an average replacement, with Kakko even above Hughes.

Only exception based on those stats is Hunter Skinner, who is slightly worse based on these stats.

That’s not English either, that’s some variation of West Virginia/Kentucky dialect. I’m from Jersey.

 

[mti79]

Moved.

Well after the draft that left some happy some not to happy and some jumping for joy--it's a new day. Wait for it--someone will post it.

No trades yesterday but at least the rumor mill started turning.

Not that I believe any of these guys but some have it on the occasional Ranger trades

Let's start with the really bad--Eklund

He has CK possible to the Kings--don't see it

Next

A little more believable ICB--he has CK possible to multiple teams

Bruins--always makes sense and we've been down this road before. They have some nice prospects we could get are hands on
Yotes--another team we thought he would be traded to
Ducks--Don't see it but maybe after they brought out Perry. Some posters wanted Krebs in the draft--good starting point plus they have some really good kids in the minors.
Red wings--Not sure how or why-and to be honest I'm not really knowledgeable on their minor league system.

Somewhere I read last night that the Rangers were still talking to Colorado which even after the draft makes a ton of sense especially if Colorado deals Barrie.

My point is not the people claiming the rumors but at least it looks like the Rangers are still talking. Got to believe if Bob and Breadman say their staying in Florida tomorrow or the rumor leaks out maybe that changes the game plan with CK.


Personal I think Colorado and the Bruins would be the teams I'm trying to deal with followed by the Yotes if they will include next year's first as a starting point.

Anybody hearing something different.

Red Wings could be interesting. Not sure what their cap situation is but I think I'd want something like a top 5 protected pick, a 2-3 and a guy like Svechnikov who could become a monster.

 

[Cag29]

We invited Tony Amonte's son to Development Camp. Played at BU under Coach Quinn.

Question on Developement camp. Do the Rangers pay for their travel? Say we drafted a player from Sweden in the 6th and he didn’t come to Vancouver. He has a day to catch a flight to NY to get to camp?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

It's not as bad as you think. As of right now, this is our dead cap space:

2019-20: 5.336 mil (Girardi 3.611, Spooner .9 and Beleskey buried at .825)
2020-21: 1.111 mil (Girardi)
2021-22: 1.111 mil (Girardi)
2022-23: 1.111 mil (Girardi)

However, if you add Shatty's cap hit to that, you get:

2019-20: 5.336 mil + 6.65
2020-21: 1.111 mil + 6.65
2021-22: 1.111 mil
2022-23: 1.111 mil

If we buyout Shatty, the dead cap space would be:

2019-20: 6.819
2020-21: 7.194
2021-22: 2.544
2022-23: 2.544

The costs next year are comparable, even if you factor in a cheap replacement player. In 2021-22, Hank, Staal and Smith come off the books. 2.544 in dead cap won't be a big deal. By 2022-23, when Kakko and Kravtsov are up for new deals, the cap should go up from the new TV money.

This also don't factor in potential trades of Kreider, Names, Buch or Vesey.

The point is that buying out Shatty doesn't really hurt us. Of course, this is predicated on us not being able to find a trade partner. If we trade him at 50% with no other money coming back, the dead space would be:

2019-20: 8.661
2020-21: 4.436
2021-22: 1.111
2022-23: 1.111

So we'd have less cap space this year, but more over the next 3 years.

I completely understand that it's more money for us for the next two years. My point is that these two years are rebuilding years still and although the cap hit is higher we are not making the playoffs yet. We are still a bottom half NHL team. After those two years of Smith Staal and shatty, I do believe our talent will mature and with making the right trades we will begin to be cup contenders. During which time I dont want 3m in dead cap space. That cap isnt increasing as much as we thought and now is being talked about being set at 83m for the next 2-3 years. I dont want to be the maple leafs who are running around with an incomplete team and no cap space. I want to be the Bruins who dont have any of these problems, have cap space, and have a team that's able to compete for the cup year after year

In my eyes I want all that buyout cap space off the books so we can use our full cap on helpful players on our team.

 

[Cag29]

Please define WAR. I’m sure it’s good. I’m old school and go by what I see on the ice and read from our posters.

 

[Edge]

Kind of sad that you could easily put together a 3-4 man defensive unit based on guys we bought out/could buy out.

 

[LORDE]

I completely understand that it's more money for us for the next two years. My point is that these two years are rebuilding years still and although the cap hit is higher we are not making the playoffs yet. We are still a bottom half NHL team. After those two years of Smith Staal and shatty, I do believe our talent will mature and with making the right trades we will begin to be cup contenders. During which time I dont want 3m in dead cap space. That cap isnt increasing as much as we thought and now is being talked about being set at 83m for the next 2-3 years. I dont want to be the maple leafs who are running around with an incomplete team and no cap space. I want to be the Bruins who dont have any of these problems, have cap space, and have a team that's able to compete for the cup year after year

In my eyes I want all that buyout cap space off the books so we can use our full cap on helpful players on our team.

This. All day this.

I realize people feel that Smith Staal Kirk are blocking kids but there are ways around all of that. Bury Smith, bench the other two if need be.

If you wait just this coming year, Kirk will be traded w retention. Smith an be then bought out.

Just wait a season

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Question on Developement camp. Do the Rangers pay for their travel? Say we drafted a player from Sweden in the 6th and he didn’t come to Vancouver. He has a day to catch a flight to NY to get to camp?

I'd imagine yes for everyone who isn't currently an NCAA prospect - Those guys have to pay their own way.

 

[Cag29]

I seriously doubt it.

I also think Gorton is of the, “you know my number if you want to reach me” mindset at the moment.

I’m glad Gorton doesn’t cave and is patient.
Edge have you heard anything on how JD and Gorton have meshed at this early stage?
Last thing I want is to lose Gorton.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

High up good. Down low bad.

 

[Edge]

I’m glad Gorton doesn’t cave and is patient.
Edge have you heard anything on how JD and Gorton have meshed at this early stage?
Last thing I want is to lose Gorton.

Haven’t heard of any problems, nor would I expect any knowing JD’s personality.

 

[Tawnos]

This. All day this.

I realize people feel that Smith Staal Kirk are blocking kids but there are ways around all of that. Bury Smith, bench the other two if need be.

If you wait just this coming year, Kirk will be traded w retention. Smith an be then bought out.

Just wait a season

As I’ve mentioned before, burying players just shifts the blockage from the Rangers to the Wolfpack. It’s still blocking a kid from valuable development time.

I think there are good arguments both for and against buying out Smith. I don’t like the 2nd year of the Shattenkirk buyout and I like Staal as the vet leader for a young D group. In my mind, Smith is the only one that, if they’re considering a buyout, they should be looking at.

 

[Off Sides]

That’s not English either, that’s some variation of West Virginia/Kentucky dialect. I’m from Jersey.

Taylor Ham, Egg and Cheese = Top left, I think.

 

[brians1128]

This. All day this.

I realize people feel that Smith Staal Kirk are blocking kids but there are ways around all of that. Bury Smith, bench the other two if need be.

If you wait just this coming year, Kirk will be traded w retention. Smith an be then bought out.

Just wait a season

And given the fact that there is still business left to do. They missed on making a deal to land their center at the draft. They still have Krieder, Vesey, Namestnikov, Fast to sell as UFA's. They need to think about hedging against Zuccarello not signing in Dallas and losing a first there. The backend is looking promising with a lot of talent back there, but most haven't even played an NHL game, there is no need to rush them. As much as I loved this off season, there is still at least another year of work left. Draft high in 2020.

 

[mti79]

With Waddle playing hardball with Aho, what would it take to get him?

Chytil+ Or Andersson++?

I would love to bring Aho in. Fits our style and the rebuild.

Chytil/Andersson, Kreider, 2nd in 20, and another good prospect?

 

[BringBackLibertys]

We had 8 picks, I only see 7 NYR logos. What gives?

 

[NernieBichols]

Was chatting with @TheKingsCourt about it the other day, but I see COL and ARI as fits for Kreider. COL being a team that can absorb the cap hit... but ARI may require a contract or two coming back, but Chris helps improve both teams.

It's really an interesting time with the cap not being announced until late last night. Only the teams with a lot of space were the ones willing to pull the trigger on a deal. But the next few days will be the most interesting imo. There is going to be a squeeze, and teams with space can capitalize on other teams cap issues.

That does not bode well for the Rangers, and perhaps the biggest reason as to why there was a lot of talk with no action the last few days. The BUF, COL, CLB, & NJ of the world can get a number of good players and give up scraps and team build that way.

But players like Vesey, Names would have to be given away.

A guy like Kreider however... you might not find a taker for a good value.... unless you are willing to sell him off to sign somebody else.

In other words...

Kreider would be a much more valued asset at the trade deadline...
Vesey you have to toss away...
Names you are retaining on to move...

Haha yeah, well I think the rangers are in a just swell position. You can go 10% over during the summer, he can buy out shattenkirk/smith, nobody’s getting Kreider on a pinch.

Let the other teams go in other direction

A lot of these guys don’t have the upside vesey could have playing with a couple of the guys the rumored teams have, and names is a good versatile player I’m not opposed to keeping through the season and trading as a rental.

I feel like this is the narrative teams are selling to Gorts. The one mikos is sharing with us


(Now if gorts had like 2-3 big moves up his sleeve that would involve bringing in a lot of salary, than yes your talking about getting off vesey/names however you can. In that instance yes, other teams will get them a better price than if Gorton doesn’t need a ton of cap space)