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Trxjw said:
I agree, but that sort of begs the question of what do you do with Kreider then? I have a hard time seeing them dealing 3 of Kreider, Buch, Names, and Vesey. That's a lot of production and veteran experience walking out the door. So if they make the Buch trade, do they knuckle down and sign Kreider to an extension? Seems more likely that they go with the Kreider route unless Buf/Edm really steps up to the plate with a strong offer.
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I still believe this season will be a transition so I’d move both and then look to find a team looking to move cap out for a year or two and add a filler or two. I wonder what the cost would be on Zucker? Maybe approach Johansson on a high dollar two year deal?

Kakko
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I would venture a guess that whoever they get for Buch would be a young winger, say Nylander. And I also believe they will be getting a young winger in return for Kreider, say Crouse

So now you add those two and maybe you can find 1-2 veteran guys who can help carry some of the load. Gusev?
 
Edge said:
They considerations would include a falling forward they liked at 6, and someone of the names we’ve heard from the combine and other sources. Can’t say those are the only names, but some of those names would be in the mix - be it Newhook, Cozens, Broberg, Seider, Caufield, etc.
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Thanks. Makes sense. If they made the trade before the draft would you still think they might try to move up again?
 
Kaut + something small for Kreider would be awesome. I’d probably prefer that to the pick. I don’t see Colorado willing to part with him, though.
 
Trxjw said:
Certainly possible but the impression I got was that they wanted to avoid another deadline sell off. All signs pointed to Kreider signing if he was still here after July 1st.
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Edge said:
The Rangers haven’t placed him off limits, and teams are asking. Keeping in mind that these teams have also been talking to the Rangers about other things - picks, Vesey, Names, JP, etc.

The Rangers are trying to fully explore multiple options for both Buch and Kreider, including multiple teams and contract options.

Additionally, the completion of one trade involving either Buch or Kreider, potentially impacts the likelihood of the other being moved.
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Theoretically if Gorton moves Kreider and Buch, after this season, you’re probably looking at a combined cap hit of $10m for say 90 points and 45 goals? Approximately. Panarin for $9.5m to replace and he scores 80 points and 30 goals
 
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Trxjw said:
Certainly possible but the impression I got was that they wanted to avoid another deadline sell off. All signs pointed to Kreider signing if he was still here after July 1st.
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Yeah, I'm mostly spitballing because the Brooks article makes it seem like they don't want to extend him at all. They'd want to trade him before training camp, and they'd get the best return from any team prepared to extend him on July 1. Maybe if they decide they want the 7/8 and have to give up Buch we see a Kreider for a roster player rather than a pick+prospect trade
 
broadwayblue said:
I hear you. My only concern is that unlike all the other names being mentioned, Buch could elevate his game to a level we haven't yet seen.
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Totally agree. Just spitballing as to what the logic could be. Kakko and Kravtsov coming in on the wings possibly Panarin and maybe Chytil being a permanent winger, I can see why they would consider moving a couple of Buch, Kreider and Vesey maybe try and get another center or something.
 
With Cleasson now gone Shatty and Smith can be the extras for this year or rotate in and out with the kids. Not awful.

I don't get why they'd trade Buch. Seems like a coming out party for him last year. Unless they know something about him that we don't.

I'll take a guess here; Kreider and Buch to AZ for #14 and Galchenyuk. Rangers use the cap room to take a serious run at Panarin.

or

I'm still going with Kreider to the Avs for Jost and #16.
 
NYR Viper said:
Theoretically if Gorton moves Kreider and Buch, after this season, you’re probably looking at a combined cap hit of $10m for say 90 points and 45 goals? Approximately. Panarin for $9.5m to replace and he scores 80 points and 30 goals
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Definitely something that has been implied as a debate point.

While the Rangers don’t seem interested in decimating their experience level on the wings, they are certainly very aware of how much different contract combinations add up to.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
after this weekend i expect this

kakko is a nyr

kreider and vesey are not

one of newhook, zegras or krebs will be a nyr
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I think GMJG is trying to see if he can get in range to add Cozens to the list of possible Rangers. Kakko and Cozens is something I could not even imagine 5 months ago. I keyed on Newhook because I like his skillset and was confident the Rangers could draft him.
 
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@Edge but why move Buch? It seemed Quinn really likes him even from the tough love. You could see it on the bench by the end of the season that Quinn really cares about and is invested in making him a better play for the long haul.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Totally agree. Just spitballing as to what the logic could be. Kakko and Kravtsov coming in on the wings possibly Panarin and maybe Chytil being a permanent winger, I can see why they would consider moving a couple of Buch, Kreider and Vesey maybe try and get another center or something.
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Makes sense. Or maybe the whispers about his effort or coachability have something to do with it.
 
BKGooner said:
I think GMJG is trying to see if he can get in range to add Cozens to the list of possible Rangers. Kakko and Cozens is something I could not even imagine 5 months ago. I keyed on Newhook because I like his skillset and was confident the Rangers could draft him.
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Still gonna take a bold play to get Cozens...but Newhook would be a legitimate option if we can get 14/16.
 
Skjeikspeare said:
@Edge but why move Buch? It seemed Quinn really likes him even from the tough love. You could see it on the bench by the end of the season that Quinn really cares about and is invested in making him a better play for the long haul.
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Not to speak for Edge, but I would say that Buchnevich is a guy who has value but can be viewed as movable for the right return due to the presence of Kravstov and (probably) Kakko.
 
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Skjeikspeare said:
@Edge but why move Buch? It seemed Quinn really likes him even from the tough love. You could see it on the bench by the end of the season that Quinn really cares about and is invested in making him a better play for the long haul.
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Edge said:
Value and interest with Buch. There’s a lot to negotiate with if you have the right team (upside, control, fit for their centers), and there are teams in a position to be interested.

Kreider talk has been 16th pick or Kaut, and another asset. The question is the other asset and whether Colorado says yes. Arizona was the 14th pick and another asset.
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NYR Viper said:
I still believe this season will be a transition so I’d move both and then look to find a team looking to move cap out for a year or two and add a filler or two. I wonder what the cost would be on Zucker? Maybe approach Johansson on a high dollar two year deal?

Kakko
Kravtsov
Andersson
Lemieux
Fast

I would venture a guess that whoever they get for Buch would be a young winger, say Nylander. And I also believe they will be getting a young winger in return for Kreider, say Crouse

So now you add those two and maybe you can find 1-2 veteran guys who can help carry some of the load. Gusev?
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I mean on paper it seems pretty simple when you lay it out like that, but in practice that's a lot of moving parts. Sure you can bring in some cheap veterans on shorter contracts, but I don't think a MoJo or Connolly would sign for less than 4 years. Gusev is a really talented player but has no NHL experience.
 
Edge said:
As I said a few days ago, before the Rangers were seen by TSN as a team that is very active right now, if the team doesn’t make a deal - it won’t be for lack of trying.
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Sometimes trying isn't enough as it take two to tango. Hopefully Gorton will work a little more magic.
 
Skjeikspeare said:
@Edge but why move Buch? It seemed Quinn really likes him even from the tough love. You could see it on the bench by the end of the season that Quinn really cares about and is invested in making him a better play for the long haul.
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I don’t think it’s a matter of disliking him. It’s a matter of whether they think they can deal from a position of strength so improve the team elsewhere.

Whether it’s McD, Hayes, Kreider, Buch, Brassard, whoever, it’s not that the Rangers don’t value those players. Quite the opposite. They KNOW those guys have value.

So then the debate becomes how do you utilize that value. Do you keep them, or do you maybe move them to improve other areas.

In the Rangers case, they have Kravtsov and Kakko coming in. They have Chytil and Andersson getting consideration on the wings. They like what they saw from Lemieux.

Do they want to move Buch? No, not necessarily. Are they open to moving Buch on terms they negotiate and risks they deem acceptable? Yes, they are.

If those terms aren’t meant, they don’t move him.
 
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GregSirico said:
What's up guys? Just got back from teaching class. Anything new?
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@Edge got so exasperated with the ingratitude of some posters that he went ahead and spelled out in explicit details all the potential deals in play. And now he’ll probably never ever get tips again and it’s all the board’s fault. This is why we can’t have nice things.

(Also, I pretty much called all the potential deals in a post early in the last thread that no one — but @Edge — noticed.) :)
 
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