Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[NYR Viper]

Erne is a complete waste when you have Othmann and Cuylle right there, but hell yes to the rest of it. Id bet thats what theyll try to do. Kane & the RFAs will take priority, but I bet they go to Motte and Mikkola and ask them to sign "bridge" deals with a Cup contending roster until the cap jumps. Players like that are who get squeezed, and in Motte's case the grass isnt always greener.

I was kind of just signing someone for $950k. There may be other better options out there.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I agree.

I like Lindgren. He's a solid 4-5 though. Makes very little mistakes, is an important piece for a d-group. He's a black hole offensively though.

I wonder what a talent like Chychrun or KAM look like next to Fox for a full season.

Really wish Miller-Fox was our top pair. So much more offensive potential. Of course then Lindgren-Trouba would be zero offense but I don’t mind stacking . So many offensive chances wasted by Lindgren

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Maybe last year when we had nothing but Hajek and Braun playing the wrong side but if you replace lindgren with mikkola I really wonder if you lose anything. You certainly didn’t last game.

I’m definitely not signing lindgren long term. Guy is hurt all the time he’s never going to make it long term with his size and style he plays.

If mikkola signs a cheap deal id trade lindgren and go with mikkola Miller Jones and Harpur. Still have Robertson a year older too.

Think lindgren is easier to trade than goodrow. And I think Kane is definitely resigning. Something has to give

Lindgren plays a rough style and when he gets injured he is only out for a few games. The guy is already out of a sling. He's a warrior and you need guys like him. I'm not going to look at 1 game and say they would be ok without him and Mikkola in his place. The defense has been trash for the most part when he has missed some time. Mikkola has been ok but there is a big difference between 3rd line minutes and playing 1st line minutes opposite Fox. That's a very big risk you would be taking. He is also only 25 so I think he has some good years left but I do understand not wanting to sign him to a 5+ year contract.

 

[McRanger92]

Really wish Miller-Fox was our top pair. So much more offensive potential. Of course then Lindgren-Trouba would be zero offense but I don’t mind stacking . So many offensive chances wasted by Lindgren

I think Lindgren-Trouba would allow Trouba to step up into the play more, which he is very good at. Miller-Fox would be position-less hockey. Exciting but not sure thats something Turk would go for.

Lindgren plays a rough style and when he gets injured he is only out for a few games. The guy is already out of a sling. He's a warrior and you need guys like him. I'm not going to look at 1 game and say they would be ok without him and Mikkola in his place. The defense has been trash for the most part when he has missed some time. Mikkola has been ok but there is a big difference between 3rd line minutes and playing 1st line minutes opposite Fox. That's a very big risk you would be taking. He is also only 25 so I think he has some good years left but I do understand not wanting to sign him to a 5+ year contract.

Drury made a point to mention that Mikkola was someone they targeted and di their homework on. Signals to me that theyll have interest keeping him around and his contract isnt breaking the bank in a flat cap world.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I think Lindgren-Trouba would allow Trouba to step up into the play more, which he is very good at. Miller-Fox would be position-less hockey. Exciting but not sure thats something Turk would go for.



Drury made a point to mention that Mikkola was someone they targeted and di their homework on. Signals to me that theyll have interest keeping him around and his contract isnt breaking the bank in a flat cap world.

I agree, and I think is time to move on hajek.

 

[duhmetreE]

Don’t get me wrong I know it weakens us on the left side but again something has to give. And goodrow is going to be tough to move.

I think Kane is def resigning. He’s not doing this major push to only go to ONE team for one cup run. Just to turn around over the summer and go somewhere else. Not worth it.

I disagree on that. I think Goodrow will be easy to move. Jeannot just got 5 draft picks and a former #14 pick.

I dont expect that return but a 2nd or a 3rd should be doable IMO. Especially teams like Detroit, Buffalo or Ottawa.

 

[The Gloaming]

Fox needs a partner that he knows will be reliable and stay back. Kind of like how Methot was for Karlsson in Ottawa.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

We played well in Calgary but got an OTL loss and had 50 shots against the Jets and got goalie'd by hellebyuck. 2 Bad games against Detroit & Washington where the team was clearly distracted by the Kane rumors (not excusing it) doesn't negate months of excellent hockey.

2.5 months of .800 hockey but what have you done for me lately dude? We had 2 really bad games. Get with the program. The sky is falling.

 

[leetch99]

Blais and Reaves were guys who couldn't check because they were too slow and hit for the sake of hitting. That's Sather grit.

We kept all of our players who are good forecheckers and all of the leaders from last year's team that came back multiple times in the playoffs.

........but it is not last year .

 

[Alluckks]

I'm like 62% certain that they have Carpenter sealed in a tube under MSG. They won't even let him go anywhere out of fear he jams his toe too badly to be sent down. When they acquire Kane the first thing that they will do is show him the Carpenter display and say "we did this for you."

 

[pld459666]

Sounds like you're trying hard to will this into existence, just so you can say your were right.

If you read between the lines & what the writers in the know are saying, they're all pretty consistent that we're not giving up a 1st. We have all the leverage...Drury trading for Tank was a big statement that he didn't plan on trading for Kane or giving up what the Hawks wanted. Davidson was forced by Kane to circle back to us & basically take or best offer. For once as an NYR, this trade will be a clear win. Just sit back & enjoy it.

Writers don't know shit

 

[McRanger92]

I disagree on that. I think Goodrow will be easy to move. Jeannot just got 5 draft picks and a former #14 pick.

I dont expect that return but a 2nd or a 3rd should be doable IMO. Especially teams like Detroit, Buffalo or Ottawa.

If unsigned jeannot is getting an entire draft class from TB, 2 time (3 time?? ) Cup winner Barclay Goodrow could easily get a 1st or a 2nd and another pick from a a fringe playoff team looking to add size and toughness like we did a couple years ago.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I think Lindgren-Trouba would allow Trouba to step up into the play more, which he is very good at. Miller-Fox would be position-less hockey. Exciting but not sure thats something Turk would go for.



Drury made a point to mention that Mikkola was someone they targeted and di their homework on. Signals to me that theyll have interest keeping him around and his contract isnt breaking the bank in a flat cap world.

I would love for them to keep him around. He's been generally good aside from the penalties although I think some of those calls were weak. I like Mikkola. I just don't see him playing 1st line minutes.

 

[bl02]

Won’t be shocked to see Garand and or Robertson in the Kane deal

For another rental who only wants to go to one place? disgusting

 

[GAGLine]

He's asking for what Eichel was purported to return, but ultimately fell way short.

Armstrong wants 2 1sts, a high end roster player & a prospect. He's not getting that.

He won't get the roster player, because the teams he's dealing with are gearing up for the playoffs. I won't be at all surprised though if he gets the rest, and maybe a bit more.

Washington has 2 1st round picks. They could give up the Boston pick this year and a 1st in 2024 or 2025. The other teams all have their own 1sts in 2023, 24 and 25.

 

[Circus86]

So either recall Schneider today and make the Kane deal tomorrow or Kane deal today and recall Schneider tomorrow? Did I get this right?

 

[Gardner McKay]

For another rental who only wants to go to one place? disgusting

Not an overreaction at all.

 

[Boris Zubov]

He won't get the roster player, because the teams he's dealing with are gearing up for the playoffs. I won't be at all surprised though if he gets the rest, and maybe a bit more.

Washington has 2 1st round picks. They could give up the Boston pick this year and a 1st in 2024 or 2025. The other teams all have their own 1sts in 2023, 24 and 25.

I don't see it, but time will tell. Won't be the first time I've been really off with trade values.

 

[mas0764]

Looking forward, this lineup fits for next year:

Signings:
Chytil - 4 years @ $4.5m
Lafreniere - 2 years @ $2.6m
Miller - 7 years @ $4.75m
Motte - 2 years @ $1.1
Mikkola - 2 years @ $1.25m
Erne - 2 years @ $0.950m
Kane - 3 years @ $5m

Panarin-Trochek-Vesey/Erne
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kane
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako
Motte-Brodzinski-Erne/Vesey

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Mikkola-Schneider

Igor
Domingue

~$500k in cap space

So if they go shorter with Miller to get his cap hit down, there would be more space for A spare.

This also assumes the cap goes up $2m.

Goodrow trade to San Jose for a 3rd + 4th + 5th

Would be nice if the Cap went up a little more and Kane took less.

 

[GAGLine]

So either recall Schneider today and make the Kane deal tomorrow or Kane deal today and recall Schneider tomorrow? Did I get this right?

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No. Kane deal after 5pm today. We still need to accrue cap for 1 more day before we trade for him. 5pm is the cutoff. After that, Schneider can be recalled, as we'll have enough money for both.

 

[The Gloaming]

So either recall Schneider today and make the Kane deal tomorrow or Kane deal today and recall Schneider tomorrow? Did I get this right?

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Or do both after 5PM.

 

[New York RKY]

Throwing my hat in the ring for 5:07 pm EST.

 

[will1066]

I think Lindgren-Trouba would allow Trouba to step up into the play more, which he is very good at. Miller-Fox would be position-less hockey. Exciting but not sure thats something Turk would go for.



Drury made a point to mention that Mikkola was someone they targeted and di their homework on. Signals to me that theyll have interest keeping him around and his contract isnt breaking the bank in a flat cap world.

Mikkola could fill 3LD decently. That would spell doom for guys like Jones and Robertson. After Tarasenko and Kane walk after the season, Drury is back to trying to fill top 6 spots on RW, unless the kids are permanently disbanded and sprinkled there. Or, Drury targets good but cheap wingers for Robertson and Jones.

 

[McRanger92]

He won't get the roster player, because the teams he's dealing with are gearing up for the playoffs. I won't be at all surprised though if he gets the rest, and maybe a bit more.

Washington has 2 1st round picks. They could give up the Boston pick this year and a 1st in 2024 or 2025. The other teams all have their own 1sts in 2023, 24 and 25.

Chychrun would be an excellent move for the Caps imo. Theyre not rebuilding but they 1 defenseman under contract past this season and could use an infusion of young talent regardless.

On a related note, Im a bigger Harpur fan than most, but I'd be looking to add a guy like TVR from Washington for defensive depth. We need to be able to survive an injury on the right side.

 

[Ruggs225]

Does a Miller Suspension put this on hold for a day?