Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[RangersFan1994]

I heard some fans mention Bonino. Is he still good on faceoffs? He can still skate. Playing well in the Sharks game tonight. i would not offer more than a Libor Hajek Or a 4th for him.

 

[bobbop]

I’d trade a 23 1st in a deal for Meier or Chychrun, not for Kane, Tarasenko or Horvat.

 

[RangersFan1994]

You are correct about needing a plan. It’s either move Panarin (which will be on the table if he has another shitty playoff) or trade Meier and recoup assets. You can do a lot of things in the off-season you cant do at the deadline.

Go big or go home.

So i guess you want the Rangers to trade both 1st round picks for a rental. That would be an awful move.

 

[bobbop]

So i guess you want the Rangers to trade both 1st round picks for a rental. That would be an awful move.

Where did I say that?

 

[huerter]

I heard some fans mention Bonino. Is he still good on faceoffs? He can still skate. Playing well in the Sharks game tonight. i would not offer more than a Libor Hajek Or a 4th for him.

He's part of the package with Labanc for Kravtsov.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I’d trade a 23 1st in a deal for Meier or Chychrun, not for Kane, Tarasenko or Horvat.

I would trade only one 1st and the lower pick. i dont want rentals. Any young Hagel RFA types that can be moved that wont be UFA for few seasons

Where did I say that?

Go big or go home lol i was implying that lol

 

[bobbop]

I would trade only one 1st and the lower pick. i dont want rentals. Any young Hagel RFA types that can be moved that wont be UFA for few seasons


Go big or go home lol i was implying that lol

“Never assume” — Sister Patricia McCarthy

 

[bhamill]

And, if Lafreniere "develops" into nothing special, despite spoon feeding him ice time and PP minutes that he doesn't deserve than you've:

A. Pissed off Kakko
B. Pissed off Chytil
C. Pissed off Trochek
D. Pissed off Kravtsov
E. Wasted who knows how much of the window of everyone on the team to win now - including the young guys (Fox, Miller, Shesterkin, etc...)
F. Possibly wasted a year of your Vezina goalie that you might not be able to sign after next season
G. Pissed off your owner
H. Put one player ahead of the entire team

for the sake of a (up to now) marginal NHL'er who is lost between his ears

A B C D… ridiculous. First, what are they giving Laf all of their minutes? Plus what he was already playing? What is he going to be on the ice 55 mins a game? Players are up and down this lineup constantly. What they’re going to suddenly be pissed off because it’s Laf getting top six minutes instead of Vesey or Blais. And Krav is going to be pissed after the shit he’s pulled in this org? f*** him, if so, which I doubt. I doubt any would be pissed to begin with because they aren’t primadonnas, but if they are? Too f***ing bad, it’s a team game, suck it the f*** up. Trying To develop Laf wouldn’t be ”putting him ahead of the team” it would be expressly for the long term benefit of the team. I’m not even advocating continued spoon feeding, I can see the team trying it or NOT trying it, but making decisions about the team while being frightened of pissing off other players is just a really weak look.

Edit: BTW, I’m not ranting at you, I’m cursing at the thought of running thpings based on fear of jealousy among players who are supposed to be a team. Sorry if it comes off that way. Hahaha.

 

[tomobson]

trouba on the half wall isnt TOO bad....i mean im not a huge fan of it but hes got a hard shot

He has zero accuracy. Doesn't matter much anyways. PP2 won't get much time.

 

[Bondra slapshot]

Trading for Kane is looking less and less sensible. I don't think it's realistic anymore. At the start of the season I would've said there definitely is a path of logic for that. However as it stands, it's too high risk. His production and health are both worrisome. He's very high risk. Additionally, I don't think the Rangers have played well enough to warrant that type of "all in move". If we traded for Kane, every game there would be varying levels of drama about his health. Totally not worth it.

 

[RangersFan1994]

He's part of the package with Labanc for Kravtsov.

You mean for Blais. Kravtsov is going for a signed Domi

 

[mas0764]

And, if Lafreniere "develops" into nothing special, despite spoon feeding him ice time and PP minutes that he doesn't deserve than you've:

A. Pissed off Kakko
B. Pissed off Chytil
C. Pissed off Trochek
D. Pissed off Kravtsov
E. Wasted who knows how much of the window of everyone on the team to win now - including the young guys (Fox, Miller, Shesterkin, etc...)
F. Possibly wasted a year of your Vezina goalie that you might not be able to sign after next season
G. Pissed off your owner
H. Put one player ahead of the entire team

for the sake of a (up to now) marginal NHL'er who is lost between his ears

No, no one gets pissed off if the team tries to develop Laf, just like it wasn’t true that you can’t play Kreider in the third line. Outdated thinking and blantantly untrue.

And we don’t have a window without Laf and Kakko developing further so nothing to waste.

 

[Alluckks]

Bottom 4 LD
Middle 6 RW
Bottom line defensively responsible vet forward

Keep the 1sts, Othmann, Cuylle, Berard, Robertson, Grubbe, Garand, Sykora, and McConnell-Barker

Zac Jones, Barbashev, Korczak, and picks 2nd - 7th round all on the table

LD - Edmundson, Kulikov
RW - Barbashev, Nyquist, Bjugstad
Bottom line - Ritchie, Roslovic

 

[egelband]

Hopefully we still have two picks in the 2023 draft and who knows maybe more(?)
Would hope the organization takes a long look at Will Smith.

I won’t do that to Chris Rock.

 

[haohmaru]

A B C D… ridiculous. First, what are they giving Laf all of their minutes? Plus what he was already playing? What is he going to be on the ice 55 mins a game? Players are up and down this lineup constantly. What they’re going to suddenly be pissed off because it’s Laf getting top six minutes instead of Vesey or Blais. And Krav is going to be pissed after the shit he’s pulled in this org? f*** him, if so, which I doubt. I doubt any would be pissed to begin with because they aren’t primadonnas, but if they are? Too f***ing bad, it’s a team game, suck it the f*** up. Trying To develop Laf wouldn’t be ”putting him ahead of the team” it would be expressly for the long term benefit of the team. I’m not even advocating continued spoon feeding, I can see the team trying it or NOT trying it, but making decisions about the team while being frightened of pissing off other players is just a really weak look.

Edit: BTW, I’m not ranting at you, I’m cursing at the thought of running thpings based on fear of jealousy among players who are supposed to be a team. Sorry if it comes off that way. Hahaha.

If it's a "team game" then Lafreniere shouldn't be taking away their top 6 or PP ice time. Of course they're going to be upset - they are people. Someone who doesn't deserve their time shouldn't be taking their place(s) on PP1 and in the top 6.

The "long term benefit of the team" would be for Lafreniere to get his head out of his ass and put the team first and start doing the little things right and start forgetting about expectations.

 

[haohmaru]

No, no one gets pissed off if the team tries to develop Laf, just like it wasn’t true that you can’t play Kreider in the third line. Outdated thinking and blantantly untrue.

And we don’t have a window without Laf and Kakko developing further so nothing to waste.

Kreider leads the team in even strength goals, again, as usual. He's not a third line player.

And, of course players like Kakko would HAVE to be scratching their head that some guy that can't figure it out is chewing up their ice time, PP time, and not producing and being thrust into a position without merit. They don't give a flying shit about HIS development.

We have a window with or without Lafreniere. The window would be open wider if he came close to expectations but he's not the straw that stirs the drink and has never been.

 

[RangerBoy]

Vince sees the Rangers making moves to improve the depth of the team instead of adding the big ticket big name player.

 

[haohmaru]

Vince sees the Rangers making moves to improve the depth of the team instead of adding the big ticket big name player.

Let's hope Vince is right.

 

[pld459666]

Obviously Fox is part of the core and you can make a case for Miller and maybe Fil. The others are not core players yet. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, and Trocheck are their core players up front. They want to win while they are still in their primes.

Not it's not laughable at all

I believe it is laughable as I do not believe that to be a winning core

 

[Circus86]

This is the way

 

[mas0764]

Kreider leads the team in even strength goals, again, as usual. He's not a third line player.

And, of course players like Kakko would HAVE to be scratching their head that some guy that can't figure it out is chewing up their ice time, PP time, and not producing and being thrust into a position without merit. They don't give a flying shit about HIS development.

We have a window with or without Lafreniere. The window would be open wider if he came close to expectations but he's not the straw that stirs the drink and has never been.

You are confusing what you would do with what would “piss off” the Rangers players. Kreider has played significant time on lower lines this year like everyone claimed last year would be impossible without team revolt and it proved completely unfounded.

There may be many arguments against Lafreniere being on the top line but the team being pissed off is simply not one of them.

And regarding the lines, if the time is roughly equal at even strength then it doesn’t matter what line Kreider is on as long as the overall team goals increases. The point of moving Laf to play with Mika is that Kreider’s production probably doesn’t decrease with Chytil but Laf’s May increase with Mika meaning better results overall, plus development of needed skills. If the trade off is anywhere close, like I said, I make that exchange and no one is “pissed.”

Now if you go half a season and the results are abysmal and the team is losing, that’s where you might get players questioning the decision but in other spurts earlier in the season, Laf with Mika wasn’t abysmal. In this latest stretch of like 3 games it hasn’t been good but thats a sacrifice that should be made for a bit.

 

[haohmaru]

Taylor Hall, 1OA, is playing on Boston’s 3rd line because it’s what the team needs Lafreniere should take a look at that.

 

[Leonardo87]

Vince sees the Rangers making moves to improve the depth of the team instead of adding the big ticket big name player.

That seems to be the way to go. They added Copp, Motte, and Vatrano attorneys at law, who are not big time players, but it helped the depth a lot with the last playoff run.

The cost of requiring a big name will cost them a lot of their futures, and in this year’s draft want to hold onto those.

 

[McRanger92]

You are confusing what you would do with what would “piss off” the Rangers players. Kreider has played significant time on lower lines this year like everyone claimed last year would be impossible without team revolt and it proved completely unfounded.

There may be many arguments against Lafreniere being on the top line but the team being pissed off is simply not one of them.

And regarding the lines, if the time is roughly equal at even strength then it doesn’t matter what line Kreider is on as long as the overall team goals increases. The point of moving Laf to play with Mika is that Kreider’s production probably doesn’t decrease with Chytil but Laf’s May increase with Mika meaning better results overall, plus development of needed skills. If the trade off is anywhere close, like I said, I make that exchange and no one is “pissed.”

Now if you go half a season and the results are abysmal and the team is losing, that’s where you might get players questioning the decision but in other spurts earlier in the season, Laf with Mika wasn’t abysmal. In this latest stretch of like 3 games it hasn’t been good but thats a sacrifice that should be made for a bit.

The Kreider-Mika-Kakko line has been dominant this year. There is zero reason why Lafreniere should replace Kreider in any situation. Laf should be able to do something with Chytil & Goodrow, because theyve looked excellent with a less experienced player in Kravtsov.

More icetime is clearly not the solution for 13 right now. He needs to play well in 3rd line ice time before he gets moved up to top line/top pp ice and he's not conditioned for it, because Mika & Kakko have been carrying him around like an anchor the last 3+ games.

Personally, if I were Gallant, I'd put the misfits (Panarin, Trocheck, Laf) together and tell them to figure it the f*** out, because they are too talented of players to not make a working second line. Enough excuse making already.

 

[RangerBoy]

Let's hope Vince is right.

Adding multiple depth pieces. Another winger in the top 6/9. Another LHD. Another forward on 4th line. Vince mentioned someone like Motte or maybe Motte again as the 4th line player.

The Rangers would not be able to add those pieces if they added a big player. Meier is at $6M. SJ will want more to retain. Kane at $5.25M is too much. Chicago has no choice but to retain 50%. The Rangers would still need another team for double retention. They could include Blais's $1.5M but the Rangers would still need more if they wanted to add another D and depth piece and leave space for the remaining 40 days left on the NHL calendar.

LeBrun talked about the Kane deal being a conditional pick. He proposed Kane to the Rangers and the pick would be conditional. He knows Kane is struggling and trying to play with an injury. Chicago traded Fleury for a conditional pick last year. The money doesn’t work and the Rangers would need a 3rd team.

Vince believes the Rangers would move some draft picks and their B/C prospects.

The Rangers shouldn’t move a #1 pick for a rental. Copp's trade involved a conditional 1st. The Rangers already owe Arizona a future 2nd and could owe Arizona another future 2nd if Arizona wants to wait to more years instead of getting a 3rd.

There isn’t much cap space available and how many teams will be buyers? Even if they wanted to buy, the team is using LTIR and their options are limited.