Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXIV: We have Cap space! Hoorraayy!!!

[GregSirico]

Hes going to be crazy overpaid, as has been the case with almost every free agent coming off of a stanley cup victory.

But does anyone really think he can outproduce Stepan?

 

[DudMan28]

Unfortunately I think that if Nash could get that he would have been dealt already. He's a shadow of the player that he once was and is always battling some injury.

Idk. Some team going all in at the deadline would pay a decent amount for Nash at 50% retained. Nash as a 3-4 option on a team is a steal. The guy still had plenty of games that reminded you how good he was.

1st and blue chip might be a lot. I do think we need to get a more known commodity than a draft pick for him. A player that it one year away with upside. 1st round pick from a contender would be in the 20-30 range. Not worth it by itself.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kruger is headed to Vegas after the Hawks pay the $2M signing bonus on July 1.

 

[mti79]

Who do we have on D?

LD: McD, Skjei, Holden, Bereglazov, Staal, Day, Pedrie, Gilmour, Graves
RD: Klein, DeAngelo, Kampfer, Pionk, Zbrorovskiy.

Realistically it's McD, Skjei, Holden, Staal, DeAngelo on the team with 2 spots for Bereglazov, Pionk, Day, Klein if he doesn't retire then Smith/Shatty or whoever else we bring in.

 

[GAGLine]

How about something like Nash at 50% for Niemi and Honka

Dallas has more cap space than we do right now. Their goalie situation isn't a problem. They will probably buy out one of Niemi/Lehtonen. Nash @ 50% isn't enough to get us Honka. Have you seen their defense? They need Honka way more than they need Nash.

Last summer, if someone had offered Nash @ 50 and 1 year remaning for Skjei, what would you have said?

 

[Elevate]

I didn't bring up Gagner as an improvement over Stepan. Not comparable. It is an improvement of what we currently have though.

Naturally Hayes-Gagner as the 2-3 punch isn't ideal. Zib as 1C isn't ideal either. But I don't want Thornton and I don't care much to make outlandish trade speculations.

As for Boyle, sure, if he'll accept a lower salary. He left for Tampa because he wanted to be payed and get a 3C role. No can do, and if that is what he requires let's just pursue Dan Winnik instead.

 

[Idlerlee]

If this team puts Skjei on the trading block for MacKinnon, or quite frankly anyone at all, I'm going to vomit.

Brady will be the best defenseman in NYR this season, doesnt matter what McD does, Skjei will develop over him.

 

[Avery16]

Dallas has more cap space than we do right now. Their goalie situation isn't a problem. They will probably buy out one of Niemi/Lehtonen. Nash @ 50% isn't enough to get us Honka. Have you seen their defense? They need Honka way more than they need Nash.

Last summer, if someone had offered Nash @ 50 and 1 year remaning for Skjei, what would you have said?

Taking Niemi out of that equation skews it wildly

 

[Mac n Gs]

If this team puts Skjei on the trading block for MacKinnon, or quite frankly anyone at all, I'm going to vomit.

Brady will be the best defenseman in NYR this season, doesnt matter what McD does, Skjei will develop over him.

Might want to pump the brakes a little bit here. By every measure, McDonagh's performances away from Girardi are incredible. Skjei will be a sophomore facing tougher competition and usage. I'm expecting Skjei to struggle a bit through December and round back into form in January.

 

[Vitto79]

Who do you hope to get from Chicago in taking Kruger? I don't see anyone that fits our needs

Not young but let's get Anisimov back . Nash retained

 

[GAGLine]

Taking Niemi out of that equation skews it wildly

It actually doesn't, for the reason I stated. They aren't desperate to unload him. They can buy him out and save 3 mil in cap space.

 

[Dagoon44]

Scissons for nash would help both teams.. Preds need a scorer we need a young c..

 

[Irishguy42]

Scissons for nash would help both teams.. Preds need a scorer we need a young c..

Feel like we could retain on Mash and pry more out of them

 

[Avery16]

It actually doesn't, for the reason I stated. They aren't desperate to unload him. They can buy him out and save 3 mil in cap space.

1) they save even more by another team taking him off the books entirely
2) Nash at 50% is a bargain and their top six is a lot better
3) Nash is the type of player Dallas would likely court as UFA. This way, they have exclusive negotiating rights for a full season.
4) I'll throw in Deangelo
5) the reason they have more space than us is Sharp and Hensley are coming off. They have to replace those and Nash is an improvement

 

[GAGLine]

1) they save even more by another team taking him off the books entirely
2) Nash at 50% is a bargain and their top six is a lot better
3) Nash is the type of player Dallas would likely court as UFA. This way, they have exclusive negotiating rights for a full season.
4) I'll throw in Deangelo

They save an extra 1.5 mil. Big whoop. They have over 22 mil in cap space right now.

You'll throw in DeAngelo to get Honka? That makes zero sense.

 

[Avery16]

They save an extra 1.5 mil. Big whoop. They have over 22 mil in cap space right now.

You'll throw in DeAngelo to get Honka? That makes zero sense.

Yes. 4.5 saved from Niemi, 3.9 saved on Nash, plus a young, affordable NHL ready RHS in exchange for their prospect makes no sense.

 

[GregSirico]

If we move Nash, are we even trying to be competitive this year? I mean, then move Zucc as well.

 

[Avery16]

(Sarcasm)

 

[Gardner McKay]

We aren't getting Honka. We got our version. His name is Anthony DeAngelo. We aren't done. There are still moves that need to be made. As confident as I was that our opening night roster would look radically different (and it already will), I am also sure that there are multiple moves that still need to be made (aside from the obvious ones).

One thing that bothers me is if it is true that the Stepan deal was done before the roster freeze, why did Gorton not do something to protect Lindberg? Just seems odd.

 

[GAGLine]

Yes. 4.5 saved from Niemi, 3.9 saved on Nash, plus a young, affordable NHL ready RHS in exchange for their prospect makes no sense.

It makes no sense for us to include DeAngelo and Nash @ 50% to get back Honka.

It makes no sense for Dallas to trade Honka for 1 year of Nash @ 50% and an extra 1.5 mil cap savings over buying out Niemi.

I really, really don't know why you can't see that, but whatever, I'm not going to continue arguing about it.

 

[GAGLine]

We aren't getting Honka. We got our version. His name is Anthony DeAngelo. We aren't done. There are still moves that need to be made. As confident as I was that our opening night roster would look radically different (and it already will), I am also sure that there are multiple moves that still need to be made (aside from the obvious ones).

One thing that bothers me is if it is true that the Stepan deal was done before the roster freeze, why did Gorton not do something to protect Lindberg? Just seems odd.

I assume that he was still trying to find another deal for a more established dman. In retrospect, yes, he could have taken the deal earlier and protected Lindberg, but then we would have lost Fast.

 

[Trxjw]

Nash does not need to be dealt unless we get something back that makes the team better.

This is the last year on his contract and we have tons of cap space. The only reason to ever trade him was to free up cap. He is still an effective player and always has been as a Ranger.

We've already made the team worse by dealing Stepan, unless there is a hockey trade to improve the team this season then I'm keeping Nash.

Amazes me how everyone on this board takes a **** all over players who help this team win and are still capable of doing so. A top 10 pick makes everyone forget what Stepan did for this team. Dropping 7.5 mill off the books when we don't even need the cap space gets everyone all jolly when it comes to Nash. Why do we need 7.5 mill space this year? Hell it just increases the chances to give long term to a UFA who won't be as effective as Nasher.

I mean someone proposed to swap Nash for an overpaid backup and someone I assume is a prospect in "Hintz"

No thanks, we'll sign a random backup for 700K and he'll be effective because our backups always are. Vali, Biron (for the most part) Talbot, Raanta. Why give up an effective player for an overpaid backup? Nash, while overpaid, still will give this team more value than Anti Neimi.

That was me, and Hintz was top-10 in goal scoring in the top tier league in Finland during the regular season as a 20 year old. He also led the league in playoff scoring. But keep telling us how uninformed we are. That's tough work you're doing.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Here's your daily hfnyr PSA: Dallas has $20m+ in cap space and therefore will not need trade young assets for more space; berzaglova is a right d; staal has a no trade clause.

 

[Avery16]

We aren't getting Honka. We got our version. His name is Anthony DeAngelo. We aren't done. There are still moves that need to be made. As confident as I was that our opening night roster would look radically different (and it already will), I am also sure that there are multiple moves that still need to be made (aside from the obvious ones).

One thing that bothers me is if it is true that the Stepan deal was done before the roster freeze, why did Gorton not do something to protect Lindberg? Just seems odd.

Honkas upside is higher, and without Deangelos character issues. We need a backup goalie and Niemi is overkill. We get out of half of Nash's cap hit.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Nashville is looking for a winger to replace James Neal.

Nash with retainage for Fabbro or Kamenev(?) and a 1st?