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Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVIII

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Crease said:
I think Lundqvist is eyeing 485 wins. That puts him ahead of Belfour and solidly in the top five all time. 26 wins to go. I don't see him getting it done with the Rangers over the next 1.5 seasons. He needs a change of scenery or major luck.
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he's not going to come close to that if he remains a ranger
 
Crease said:
I think Lundqvist is eyeing 485 wins. That puts him ahead of Belfour and solidly in the top five all time. 26 wins to go. I don't see him getting it done with the Rangers over the next 1.5 seasons. He needs a change of scenery or major luck.
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Hank is still probably figuring that we are gonna trade Georgiev and he will split time with Shesty. Hopefully Gorton tells him” Hank we respect everything you have done but we are not trading Georgiev unless we get a great offer, we are gonna play the kids most of the time, so if you want to stay fine but if you want a play we still could move you”
 
Leetch3 said:
he's not going to come close to that if he remains a ranger
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How so?

Say he wins 4 more games this year, which is certainly possible. That leaves 22 wins. If he plays next year with the Rangers and plans on retiring after the season then yeah he probably only gets 10-12 more wins. If he joins another team he can absolutely get it. OR if he re-signs for even just one more year when his contract expires, even as the backup, i think he can get it. It would be 11 wins per season.
 
When it comes to decision making for Henrik, I think we tend to overlook the progression of the team. I believe he expected a faster turnaround and less of a sell off. With Panarin and Trouba coming in but not impacting wins, then Kreider likely on his way out, the reality of the process must have sunk in. Maybe he thought he could outlast the rebuild and get another go.

Now he is barely second fiddle, not getting the playoffs on a team spinning its wheels (as far as playoff progress), and his time is winding down.

I am by no means running him out of town, but it's the first time I could really seem him leave.

He could wait for the summer, get bought out and pick his spot. But that is another run out the window. Interesting times.
 
Leetch3 said:
he's not going to come close to that if he remains a ranger
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I don’t know what he’s holding onto at this point. They could trade Georgiev and sign a journeyman goalie as Shev’s backup if neither Wall or Huska is ready. This assumption he’s the automatic $8.5 million dollar backup is no given going into next season.
 
Going back to the last thread. Was there any links that the Rangers wanted Kostin, or Kyrou or is that just players that the board was interested in?
 
Lion Hound said:
Going back to the last thread. Was there any links that the Rangers wanted Kostin, or Kyrou or is that just players that the board was interested in?
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Nothing I've found linked to them asking. After his name popped up on here a few times, I did bring up Kyrou and was told he was off the table, but I didn't necessarily interpret that to mean he was a Rangers target.
 
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Crease said:
I think Lundqvist is eyeing 485 wins. That puts him ahead of Belfour and solidly in the top five all time. 26 wins to go. I don't see him getting it done with the Rangers over the next 1.5 seasons. He needs a change of scenery or major luck.
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He’ll be fine.
 
DutchShamrock said:
When it comes to decision making for Henrik, I think we tend to overlook the progression of the team. I believe he expected a faster turnaround and less of a sell off. With Panarin and Trouba coming in but not impacting wins, then Kreider likely on his way out, the reality of the process must have sunk in. Maybe he thought he could outlast the rebuild and get another go.

Now he is barely second fiddle, not getting the playoffs on a team spinning its wheels (as far as playoff progress), and his time is winding down.

I am by no means running him out of town, but it's the first time I could really seem him leave.

He could wait for the summer, get bought out and pick his spot. But that is another run out the window. Interesting times.
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Curious, what are the metrics on "impacting wins?" Like if you look at all of our losses this season, does it paint a picture of why our team is under-performing?
 
Edge said:
I think it's part negotiating tactic, and part a genuine interest in seeing how low Kreider is willing to go.

The internal opinion expressed thus far is that Kreider is going to look for 7x7.

But, if you're going to trade a guy like Kreider, you want to know if that's set in stone.

If it is, he's a goner.

If it isn't, they can talk further --- depending on how far apart they are.

But again, I don't think they're going to be going back and forth over $250k.

Right now I am going to guess the negotiations will focus on a potential gap of $500k-$1m, and 1-2 years.
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Maybe he takes his shot at a cup with another team this year and then comes back
 
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I’m really thinking the floating of a potential buyout of Hank by Brooks is really the Rangers way of keeping offers on Georgiev competitive.

I’d bet interested teams are saying “hey you need to trade this guy” about Georgiev bc of the situation and this is the Rangers indirectly saying we don’t have to trade Georgiev, if nobody ponies up a good deal then we’ll just keep him and buy out Lundqvist. Idk if they actually mean it.

And honestly I hope they don’t. Buying out Lundqvist is as bad or worse than trading Leetch. Also from an asset perspective I really believe getting what we can for Georgiev now and going forward with Hank and Shesty duo with Hank mentoring and Shesty taking number one role next year with Hank here in case and as platoon guy if needed. I think that’s the move as far as goaltending mvokg forward. Igor is the future.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
I’m really thinking the floating of a potential buyout of Hank by Brooks is really the Rangers way of keeping offers on Georgiev competitive.

I’d bet interested teams are saying “hey you need to trade this guy” about Georgiev bc of the situation and this is the Rangers indirectly saying we don’t have to trade Georgiev, if nobody ponies up a good deal then we’ll just keep him and buy out Lundqvist. Idk if they actually mean it.

And honestly I hope they don’t. Buying out Lundqvist is as bad or worse than trading Leetch. Also from an asset perspective I really believe getting what we can for Georgiev now and going forward with Hank and Shesty duo with Hank mentoring and Shesty taking number one role next year with Hank here in case and as platoon guy if needed. I think that’s the move as far as goaltending mvokg forward. Igor is the future.
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This is in keeping with the only scoops Brooks gets are the ones the org wants him to have.
 
pld459666 said:
That there are reports of the Rangers and Kreider opening up contract discussions, do we believe this is a negotiating tactic?
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Well, opening up contract discussions usually includes negotiations.

Your point?

If you are interested in if this is interesting to others (e.g. potential customers), yes it is. If there's a deal he is off the table. If there is not a deal, the auction commences. You and I will know if and when negotiations cease.

And believe me, it will be an auction.
 
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bobbop said:
Well, opening up contract discussions usually includes negotiations.

Your point?

If you are interested in if this is interesting to others (e.g. potential customers), yes it is. If there's a deal he is off the table. If there is not a deal, the auction commences. You and I will know if and when negotiations cease.

And believe me, it will be an auction.
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Trade negotiations, not contract negotiations
 
Thirty One said:
Recover how? They missed the playoffs seven straight seasons with Leetch. Made them 11 of the next 12. I love him, but I'm not remembering it the way you are.
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Actually you are remembering it the way I am, Rangers trading or even buying out any older, past his prime player never turned into anything they could not "recover" from.
 
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n8 said:
Curious, what are the metrics on "impacting wins?" Like if you look at all of our losses this season, does it paint a picture of why our team is under-performing?
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No, I should be careful with my wording considering the analytics lingo. I simply meant we added some impact players but we are basically at the same spot as last year. Similar win total, similar standings, still pretty far from ththe playoff picture.

I wasn't implying that Panarin and Trouba are not impacting the team's success.
 
DutchShamrock said:
No, I should be careful with my wording considering the analytics lingo. I simply meant we added some impact players but we are basically at the same spot as last year. Similar win total, similar standings, still pretty far from ththe playoff picture.

I wasn't implying that Panarin and Trouba are not impacting the team's success.
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So the better question might be what is impacting our team's losses and failures?
 
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