Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVI

[aufheben]

I'm sure there's a decent market for Skjei. If there was a market for John Moore there's a market for Skjei. GM's always like big defensemen with size that can skate and after watching Pionk take off in a new system I'm sure some GM's are wondering if Skjei could do the same.

I think Skjei has way more value in the eyes of NHL GMs than us on HFNYR. The list of NYR defensemen who have gone on to excel immediately after leaving makes me nervous about trading him, but he might have a lot more value than people expect. I wouldn’t be surprised if Skjei became a legit #2/3D on the right team.

 

[kovazub94]

I guess it also depends on how they utilize him. If he's a transition piece, and some of the names you mention start taking over his duties, and he's shipped out at a later date, then there's potential value there.

If they're eyeing him as their long term solution as a second line center, then there's a problem. But I will say that I don't think they view him long-term piece. It's just a just matter of when they feel is the best time to cash out on him.

Strome is not a guy who the Rangers should sign to a long term deal per se, but on a series of shorter contracts and if his game is more than “just” a Panarin side-kick (not a small benefit in its own right) that he has demonstrated while being here (e.g. Namestnikov - Strome - Fast line last year) then at $4.5-$5m contract he’d be a pretty cost effective piece. Not even mentioning that his future return in a trade could be better or at least would not be much different if he were traded now.

 

[Trxjw]

I think Skjei has way more value in the eyes of NHL GMs than us on HFNYR. The list of NYR defensemen who have gone on to excel immediately after leaving makes me nervous about trading him, but he might have a lot more value than people expect. I wouldn’t be surprised if Skjei became a legit #2/3D on the right team.

We talk a lot about trading for guys who need a change of scenery, but sometimes it's our own players who need it. I think Skjei has a lot of good tools at his disposal, and is a much better player than he's shown, but for some reason he hasn't been able to fit his footing in Quinn's system. I think if he was put on the 2nd pairing with a guy who plays a simple, stay-at-home sort of game he'd do pretty well for himself. Unfortunately for us, giving him a more responsible partner means giving him harder minutes. It just doesn't line up particularly well for Brady right now.

 

[Edge]

I think Skjei has way more value in the eyes of NHL GMs than us on HFNYR. The list of NYR defensemen who have gone on to excel immediately after leaving makes me nervous about trading him, but he might have a lot more value than people expect. I wouldn’t be surprised if Skjei became a legit #2/3D on the right team.

The sad thing is that I think he could be a legit second pair guy on our team, we just don't have the right type of environment to exploit that ability.

But imagine having a 24 year old version of McD in front of him of right now. I think Skjei would not be getting nearly as much negative attention as he does now.

 

[Matt4776]

Who would be even be targeting in a possible Skjei trade? No way we'd trade him for just futures. RD is out (for obvious reasons), and a team targeting him would likely be looking to reinforce their LD-- not trade away from it.

Skjei (or Skjei+) for some C/LW? Use other assets (Buch?) to further reinforce LD?

Seems like too many moving parts for it to happen at this deadline.

 

[Kovalev27]

I guess it also depends on how they utilize him. If he's a transition piece, and some of the names you mention start taking over his duties, and he's shipped out at a later date, then there's potential value there.

If they're eyeing him as their long term solution as a second line center, then there's a problem. But I will say that I don't think they view him long-term piece. It's just a just matter of when they feel is the best time to cash out on him.

here’s the thing. I’m with you. If they don’t see him as a long term piece and I hope they don’t. Will he ever be more valuable than he is now?

26 years old
43 pts in 48 games
RFA (under team control)

he’ll never be as desirable as he is today

 

[Edge]

here’s the thing. I’m with you. If they don’t see him as a long term piece and I hope they don’t. Will he ever be more valuable than he is now?

26 years old
43 pts in 48 games
RFA (under team control)

he’ll never be as desirable as he is today

Maybe, even quite possibly. But I also wonder if he's worth more to the Rangers, until his replacement takes over, then he is as a trade chip.

Despite the point totals, I'm not really sure there's a huge deal between moving him now, or say moving him a year from now --- especially if he's playing with Panarin until Chytil fully takes over that slot.

I think even his biggest supporters ( aka those who think that in addition to playing with Panarin, Strome has also progressed as a player) probably see him as more of a 15-20 goal, 50 some odd point center in the right situations. I don't think many people, including other teams see him as 70 point center --- unless he plays with a superstar. So I don't think they're going to trade for him based on an expectation for that level of production. I think his value will more or less be what it is, and I think his contract will more or less reflect that.

What do I think that is? Maybe a late first, something along those lines. But I don't think trading him this season makes it the 15th pick, or that trading him a year from now makes it the 45th. I think it will more or less hover in the middle ground between those two numbers (thus a late first).

But let's even say there's some fluctuation, and the value goes from a late first to an early second or mid second. Is that worth it for the Rangers to re-sign him, hold onto to him a little longer, and make sure Chytil actually assumes the second line role?

I honestly don't know. My initial reaction is, maybe. And I think it might very well be that question that they try to answer in the next few months.

 

[mas0764]

1) that can't happen. The defense is not going to have two RD sliding over to play their off side.

2) Lindgren. Always criminally underrated around here, but I have a feeling that the coaching staff likes him. I also have a feeling that he is writting himself into the family photo in a fairly large way. For the short and mid term, I think that the defense has Trouba, DeAngelo, Fox and Lindgren. With an emphasis of finding at least one bigger, defensive defenseman to play with DeAngelo.

Just spitballing.... wanted to see what people preferred.

 

[Edge]

Who would be even be targeting in a possible Skjei trade? No way we'd trade him for just futures. RD is out (for obvious reasons), and a team targeting him likely would likely be looking to reinforce their LD-- not trade away from it.

Skjei (or Skjei+) for some C/LW? Use other assets (Buch?) to further reinforce LD?

Seems like too many moving parts for it to happen at this deadline.

If Skjei goes, it's likely in the offseason.

And before he goes, the Rangers will want to have something worked out for some help at LD. Whether that help is part of the return for Skjei, or a seperate transaction, I don't see them moving Skjei and leaving the LD in the hands of Hajek, Lindgren, Staal/Smith. Likewise, I really don't see them moving a RHD to his off-side.

 

[Thirty One]

On the topic of R/R pairings, something I didn't realize until now was that Pietrangelo's two most common partners this season are righties, Parayko and Faulk.

 

[Avery16]

On the topic of R/R pairings, something I didn't realize until now was that Pietrangelo's two most common partners this season are righties, Parayko and Faulk.

Well, Faulk hasn’t been there all so long, and Pietrangelo has played some games at LD also. He’s an upcoming UFA and Faulk was an insurance plan in case they can’t sign him. Faulk hasn’t been so hot in St. Louis, but he’s locked in. St. Louis has a quandary, but they’ll probably let it play out since they’re the defending the Cup this year.

 

[kovazub94]

The sad thing is that I think he could be a legit second pair guy on our team, we just don't have the right type of environment to exploit that ability.

But imagine having a 24 year old version of McD in front of him of right now. I think Skjei would not be getting nearly as much negative attention as he does now.

Again, I don’t think there’s a big contention to the point that Skjei could look good as 2LD if there was a legitimate guy in front of him. But the Rangers have a slew of probable and cheaper replacements knocking on the door and moving Skjei could address a number of issues.

 

[Savant]

Skjei is a fine defensive piece on a (more or less) market level deal. Someone will want him, but he isn’t a ton of use to the Rangers since can’t consistently plan top pair. Rangers can replace those minutes internally.

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

And here lies the MOTHER****ING PROBLEM.

Most fans are not saying we should or need to trade ADA.

The discussion has been, what If we could acquire a similar aged 1st line forward for him? You still have Trouba+Fox with guys like Keane+Lundkvist in the system.

That’s something you ultimately think about, especially if ADA wants a monster-contract. That’s what the real discussion has been. Nobody here realistically wants to sell him off for whatever we can get.

Moving ADA would be that rare opportunity kind of move where you’re swapping a young stud for another young stud, and you do so because the cost will be counterproductive to retain ADA, or because you’re dealing from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness.

If it were ultimately up to me, I wouldn’t look into this scenario until I try Trouba, ADA, orvFox at LD.

Leafs fans don’t want to move Nylander. But, a lot of their fans also realize they have AM, MM, and JT offensively and moving Nylander for a young stud defensively could ultimately improve the team.

That’s how I feel about ADA. **** the **** off, unless you’re offering something legitimate.

If Larsson got Hall, I want the equivalent... Matthews, Marner, Eichel, or Laine.

 

[kovazub94]

The sad thing is that I think he could be a legit second pair guy on our team, we just don't have the right type of environment to exploit that ability.

But imagine having a 24 year old version of McD in front of him of right now. I think Skjei would not be getting nearly as much negative attention as he does now.

Again, I don’t think there’s a big contention to the point that Skjei could look good as 2LD if there was a legitimate guy in front of him. But the Rangers have a slew of probable and cheaper replacements knocking on the door and moving Skjei could address a number of issues.

 

[leetch99]

I think Shanahan coming is also changed the dynamic there.

Plus Larry Murphy...an offensive Dman to help Lidstrom...nothing wrong with having 2 that can rush / pass almost kind of like a young duo like we have !

 

[Edge]

Again, I don’t think there’s a big contention to the point that Skjei could look good as 2LD if there was a legitimate guy in front of him. But the Rangers have a slew of probable and cheaper replacements knocking on the door and moving Skjei could address a number of issues.

I agree, though I don't think any of them are there yet --- and that's what concerns me about moving Skjei right now.

Something tells me that a lot of people are comfortable with the optimistic idea of what Skjei's replacements would look like in his absence, more than they'd be comfortable in what they actually look like trying to fill that role.

IMO, Hajek and Lindgren aren't there yet --- and Miller certainly isn't there yet. That former feels more like a 2021 timeframe, if it happens at all. It's what happens between now and then that concerns me.

 

[Lion Hound]

If Larsson got Hall, I want the equivalent... Matthews, Marner, Eichel, or Laine.

Jedi Mind Tricks

 

[Kovalev27]

Not for nothing I have to say. What a stupid contract we gave kreider. Why wouldn’t you lock a player like that up long term. A 4 year deal at the time? DUMB. At the least you make sure you lock him up 6 or 7 years. A 4 year deal for him was stupid.

 

[Fitzy]

Not for nothing I have to say. What a stupid contract we gave kreider. Why wouldn’t you lock a player like that up long term. A 4 year deal at the time? DUMB. At the least you make sure you lock him up 6 or 7 years. A 4 year deal for him was stupid.

 

[JimmyG89]

If Larsson got Hall, I want the equivalent... Matthews, Marner, Eichel, or Laine.

Step 1: Gorton endorses Chiarelli for being hired by another team
Step 2. Botterill gets fired by the Sabres
Step 3. Sabres hire Chiarelli
Step 4. ?????
Step 5. Profit.

 

[haohmaru]

Not for nothing I have to say. What a stupid contract we gave kreider. Why wouldn’t you lock a player like that up long term. A 4 year deal at the time? DUMB. At the least you make sure you lock him up 6 or 7 years. A 4 year deal for him was stupid.

Kreider had a say in that contract - maybe he wanted that term/timing for his last big contract. Hard to call anyone dumb when you have no idea what was discussed.

 

[NYR Viper]

I won’t lie if Strome would return a 1st I’d trade him at this deadline.

 

[JimmyG89]

Kreider had a say in that contract - maybe he wanted that term/timing for his last big contract. Hard to call anyone dumb when you have no idea what was discussed.

No kidding. The alternative was probably a 2 year deal, taking him to UFA right after it was done. Got another 2 in the deal.

Also, if it was 6-8 years, that cap number goes up significantly to compensate.

It is what it is and we're now at a point where we can decide what to do with him as a player.

 

[Edge]

I won’t lie if Strome would return a 1st I’d trade him at this deadline.

I'm on the fence about what he'd actually return at this point.

I feel like we have good ballpark idea for Kreider, Geogiev and Fast --- and maybe lean on the conservative side in those projections.

Strome Is a little harder to gauge.

I think you can make a very strong case for him only being worth a second. On the flip side, playing with a superstar or not, when's the last time a center, his age, who is a former top 5 pick, producing at his level, was only traded for a second?