Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Tony Romo]

Respectfully if Knies is asking for 7m on a 3-5 year deal, start shopping him.

 

[ULF_55]

When they are 35...sure

Ahhh, so it does it matter how much, or just age based?

Matthews will have made $111mm at the end of his current contract, the same amount Tavares has made today.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Respectfully if Knies is asking for 7m on a 3-5 year deal, start shopping him.

To be honest, I think 7 x 5 might look like a steal for Knies in a couple of years.

 

[Metroid]

Good lord.

This is starting to get Redick....

I'm all aboard some nhl-wide conspiracy to f*** with the leafs or something at this point...
Toronto a guinea pig to inflate salaries or something?

 

[HOTD]

First of all, how many Knies’ are there in the league? Second of all, when’s the last time we’ve had a player of his ilk. He’s the last player on the team I’m trading…

Respectfully if Knies is asking for 7m on a 3-5 year deal, start shopping him.

 

[Lightsol]

It's safe to say it's the most challenging for the team in almost a decade.

Tres job is close to being on the line. If he flops and the team regresses significantly, he won't have much rope left.

I saw that coming when idiots first started whispering about letting Marner walk and I went to look at the free agent list. With Duchene resigning in Dallas, we're now releasing the #1 and #2 regular season scorers. Most of the options below that are either looking to resign with their teams or have ruled Toronto out entirely. We're seriously a step away from having the team sign Corey Perry 5 years late and proclaiming that's the perfect offseason. How long before people start suggesting we can replace the offense by brining up Cowan now?

And with all the Ferris shit, I expect we're about to enter another post-Larry Murphy period, where the team couldn't sign ANYONE and every player traded here wanted out ASAP. When our big signings were Derek and Kris King.

 

[ULF_55]

First of all, how many Knies’ are there in the league? Second of all, when’s the last time we’ve had a player of his ilk. He’s the last player on the team I’m trading…

I think we should hope for more than he's provided so far.

Players draft 1 year prior and later, to Knies draft year.

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[Ianturnedbull]

Respectfully if Knies is asking for 7m on a 3-5 year deal, start shopping him.

I doubt he'll get that (due to comparable players), but why do you think that (for example) 5 x 7 million is too rich?

 

[Menzinger]

I doubt he'll get that (due to comparable players), but why do you think that (for example) 5 x 7 million is too rich?

I think folks have been a bit on edge with RFAs since the big three days.

But I haven't seen anything reported about the Knies stuff that should give anyone reason to worry. The player has been beyond vocal about wanting to stay and finding a deal. Sometimes it just takes a bit to find the compromise region between the two sides

I think it'll be 3-5 years based on current rumors though I'd prefer 7-8 for the term personally.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Sorry, but I would rather have Knies at 8
Million than Nylander at his 11.5.
Knies brings a different element to the top 6 instead of our softy stars.

 

[thusk]

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If Tampa offered him 1.8-1.9M he'd most likely sign today. I think they're offering him 1-1.25M. If Toronto were to OS him at 2.34M Tampa would be able to match today. Will they be able to match in 2 weeks if they make a big splash?

You don't know what team or gm want, maybe tampa already send something similar but Goncalves looking for maybe a 1/2 max at this salary and bet on himself ...

Just saying 2,34M for an offersheet like this sorry, sorry its pretty hard to imagine its for like max 200K of real money than a player would sign an offersheet somewhere else...

 

[ULF_55]

Sorry, but I would rather have Knies at 8
Million than Nylander at his 11.5.
Knies brings a different element to the top 6 instead of our softy stars.

I think he's being overrated now.

What exactly did he bring in the just completed playoffs?

I like him, but let's give him another couple years to see if he can move into the "Follow me!' player.

 

[Tony Romo]

I doubt he'll get that (due to comparable players), but why do you think that (for example) 5 x 7 million is too rich?

Okay, I'm being a bit dramatic. 5x7m would be okay, but it again just feels like we are paying a lot from the get go. What is Knies next contract after that? 9-10m AAV?

 

[Americanadian]

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You don't know what team or gm want, maybe tampa already send something similar but Goncalves looking for maybe a 1/2 max at this salary and bet on himself ...

Just saying 2,34M for an offersheet like this sorry, sorry its pretty hard to imagine its for like max 200K of real money than a player would sign an offersheet somewhere else...

Dylan Holloway just walked for this level of offer sheet.

 

[Caesium]

I know some will disagree, but IMO, marner would not be getting 75 assists playing with non-Rocket winner. He'd still be getting assists, and doing PK duty, but maybe it's 50 assists?

In the 15 games that Matthews missed this year, Marner put up 10G 12A.

 

[Trapper]

This is starting to get Redick....

I'm all aboard some nhl-wide conspiracy to f*** with the leafs or something at this point...
Toronto a guinea pig to inflate salaries or something?

Let’s not start this again. Short term deals on high salary to grab another high salary in a few years. Hard to plan a team that exceeds its cap hit when you are going that.
And if you want a winner you need to have a group of great contracts to put even more guys around.
Trade him if that’s the case and purge everyone with the old Marleau mentality getting passed around.

 

[ULF_55]

Okay, I'm being a bit dramatic. 5x7m would be okay, but it again just feels like we are paying a lot from the get go. What is Knies next contract after that? 9-10m AAV?

I think 5 * 7, would be fine.
3 * 7, might be a gamble for both parties.

My guess, Knies wants 3*$, Leafs want 5*$.

 

[ULF_55]

In the 15 games that Matthews missed this year, Marner put up 10G 12A.

So your saying trade Matthews, because marner would score 55 goals without him?

Seems like a sample size that doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

In the 15 games that Matthews missed this year, Marner put up 10G 12A.

In the playoffs he scores once a series.

 

[fahad203]

I think Toews is goingbto surprise with hus play……..

I like a comdback filed good story. But he lost his foot speed long time ago. He's also hasn't played in 2 years at the age of 37

I dont know what the track record for players at his age making comeback. I can think of Jason Allison back 20 years go but he was 31. And he build his game around being slow

 

[Caesium]

So your saying trade Matthews, because marner would score 55 goals without him?

Seems like a sample size that doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

I didn't say anything other than the stat line.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Respectfully if Knies is asking for 7m on a 3-5 year deal, start shopping him.

I love Knies as a player but at some point you gotta put your foot down and end the culture of entitlement. You either get money or term on your first deal. If you want 7 mill you're giving us 7 years. If not, then some desperate team will happily sell us the farm for the right to pay you.

 

[fahad203]

Good lord.

5 years is a sweet spot for me. You get around 7 years out of Knies

8 years with players injuries can be risky. Im ok with 5 years.

 

[Burnie97]

Sorry, but I would rather have Knies at 8
Million than Nylander at his 11.5.
Knies brings a different element to the top 6 instead of our softy stars.

I get what you're saying and Knies is currently my favourite player... but don't even make the comparison.

We'd be f***ed offensively without a guy like Nylander... with Marner going. We'll probably trade and add some guys this off season but Nylander was one of the best goal scorers last season.

We need them both.

I think as Leaf fans we really need to stop comparing guys on our team. The guys that are there... let's f***ing cheer them on... especially when they want to stay.

 

[hockeywiz542]