Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Dreakmur]

It measures the outcome. When your sample is a whole season you can make conclusions on the outcome.

It measures a set of data points that you call the outcome and pretend that’s the whole picture.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Trade Robertson for a 2nd or 3rd.
Trade a 2nd for Pageau
Trade McMann for picks
Trade Kamf and Jarkrok
Sign Marchand (7m x 3)
Sign Kane (3m x 2)
Sign Toews (1m x 1)
Sign Perry (1m x 1)
Resign Lorents (1m x 1)
Sign Fabbro (4m x 5)
Sign Smith (2.5m x 2)

Knies - Matthews - Kane
Marchand - Pageau - Nylander
Domi - Toews - Perry
Lorentz - Laughton - Smith

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Carlo
Benoit - Fabbro
OEL

 

[Americanadian]

It measures a set of data points that you call the outcome and pretend that’s the whole picture.

What outcome are you looking at that isn't goals?

 

[notbias]

Trade Robertson for a 2nd or 3rd.
Trade a 2nd for Pageau
Trade McMann for picks
Trade Kamf and Jarkrok
Sign Marchand (7m x 3)
Sign Kane (3m x 2)
Sign Toews (1m x 1)
Sign Perry (1m x 1)
Resign Lorents (1m x 1)
Sign Fabbro (4m x 5)
Sign Smith (2.5m x 2)

Knies - Matthews - Kane
Marchand - Pageau - Nylander
Domi - Toews - Perry
Lorentz - Laughton - Smith

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Carlo
Benoit - Fabbro
OEL

It's supposed to be a hockey team, not a retirement home.

 

[Dreakmur]

What outcome are you looking at that isn't goals?

You said you were measuring defensive ability…

 

[RuudeDog]

Dreger thinks that Bennett doesn’t want anything to do with Toronto. Maybe the agent connection there as Marner wants out as well

Well I don't want anything to do with their agent either. Ferris convinced Marner to hold out for every dollar he could get on his 2nd contract. That's what advisors do. But that is the moment where the feel good story of the local kid growing up a Leaf fan became strictly business. Unfortunately not just for him, but for the fanbase as well. He made it about dollars and cents, so the fanbase did the exact same thing when they didn't feel he delivered after being one of the highest paid players in the league.

And this is coming from one of the true Marner fans left. I personally think the Leafs get worse next year, but I hope they can get creative. But it's time to move on. And Bennett was never coming here. Even an overpay in Toronto is a discount in Fla.

 

[notbias]

I dont see Bert getting bought out, but if so sign me up. I think you'd get a lot more value and milage out of a lineup that has Matthews playing with 2 cheaper guys like Bertuzzi and Domi, a Knies-Nylander 2nd line that has the center being the worst player on that line, a 3rd line that has Cowan learning from Tavares, and then a checking line featuring Tanev-Laughton.

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Domi
Knies-X-Nylander
Cowan-Tavares-Pacioretty
Tanev-Laughton-McMann

That's an ugly team.

A bunch of names and expensive players who will be paid more than their production.

I would expect less scoring than this year with that team, and the defensive results to be similar.

2nd round if they get an easy matchup.

 

[JKG33]

That's an ugly team.

A bunch of names and expensive players who will be paid more than their production.

I would expect less scoring than this year with that team, and the defensive results to be similar.

2nd round if they get an easy matchup.

I mean yea almost any lineup with Matthews is going to fit that description, but Marner being gone is a start

 

[notbias]

I mean yea almost any lineup with Matthews is going to fit that description, but Marner being gone is a start

Glad you thought the best replacement for Marner was Bertuzzi who has been terrible 5v5 for both Toronto and Boston in the playoffs and wouldn't get the same PP deployment here, so is not really that helpful.

He is also not available.

It'd be good if you looked into the players before signing them.

 

[JKG33]

Glad you thought the best replacement for Marner was Bertuzzi who has been terrible 5v5 for both Toronto and Boston in the playoffs and wouldn't get the same PP deployment here, so is not really that helpful.

He is also not available.

It'd be good if you looked into the players before signing them.

The post I quoted literally talks about him being bought out, which even i said was unlikely.

Reading. You should try it sometime

 

[notbias]

The post I quoted literally talks about him being bought out, which even i said was unlikely.

Reading. You should try it sometime

I read your terrible lineup.

Do you want to discuss how Bertuzzi did nothing at 5v5 and hurt his team but his stats are inflated from some PP time he wouldn't get in Toronto?

Tell me how that'd be beneficial.

 

[JKG33]

I read your terrible lineup.

Do you want to discuss how Bertuzzi did nothing at 5v5 and hurt his team but his stats are inflated from some PP time he wouldn't get in Toronto?

Tell me how that'd be beneficial.

I'd try, but I've realized a rational conversation with you is impossible.

But by all means, do tell how the overpaid losers are finally going to get it done this time around

 

[notbias]

I'd try, but I've realized a rational conversation with you is impossible.

But by all means, do tell how the overpaid losers are finally going to get it done this time around

Sounds like you have no answer so you will attack me instead, it's expected.

I didn't expect any thought behind your post anyway, you typically just throw out names of people you think are good playoff performers and say they play the right way or something else generic, even if they have no track record of that.

 

[JKG33]

Sounds like you have no answer so you will attack me instead, it's expected.

I didn't expect any thought behind your post anyway, you typically just throw out names of people you think are good playoff performers and say they play the right way or something else generic, even if they have no track record of that.

Get back to me when you can read and comprehend the post you first quoted. You came out swinging and missed wildly

 

[notbias]

Get back to me when you can read and comprehend the post you first quoted. You came out swinging and missed wildly

Let me quote it to refresh your memory.

I dont see Bert getting bought out, but if so sign me up. I think you'd get a lot more value and milage out of a lineup that has Matthews playing with 2 cheaper guys like Bertuzzi and Domi, a Knies-Nylander 2nd line that has the center being the worst player on that line, a 3rd line that has Cowan learning from Tavares, and then a checking line featuring Tanev-Laughton.

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Domi
Knies-X-Nylander
Cowan-Tavares-Pacioretty
Tanev-Laughton-McMann

Bertuzzi is terrible 5v5, despite putting up some PP points one year (time he likely won't get in Toronto), he hurt his team more than helped them.

What was your favourite thing about Tanev this year? His 0 points (would fit in on the bottom 6 actually) or the fact that his line got scored on but could never score? He also didn't help his team and actually hurt them.

Not sure if you are watching games or if you are just going off of who looks like a hockey player.

 

[horner]

With a rising cap, it’s pretty unlikely.

Most teams won't spend to the cap, internal cap

With the cap going to say 110 mil , this going to be good for teams with money

Players will also be asking for more money.

There will be opportunities we need to be ready to pounce.
Florida was always ready to pounce.

 

[Americanadian]

You said you were measuring defensive ability…

Sorry I thought we were talking about which group of players were better defensively last season.

 

[horner]

DNA change

Marchant and Perry besides the contract endorsement deals

Bennett will sign with Florida

 

[Dragao6]

The fact that Tre was ready to pull the trigger on a Marner for rantanen trade leaves me very optimistic of the future
Defence was a big improvement and identified the issues of the roster
Lets go

 

[LeafEgo]

Knies - Matty - Domi
Marchy - Bennett - Willy
McMann - JT - Cowan
Tanev - Lotty - Jeannot

If Marchy and Bennett won't come, maybe Karlsson and Kreider. Hopefully somebody comes.

If we get some Wyatt J upside out of Cowan him and Domi can swap. If we get downside and he falls out, have to get a JT workable replacement somewhere by tdl.

 

[Dreakmur]

Most teams won't spend to the cap, internal cap

With the cap going to say 110 mil , this going to be good for teams with money

Players will also be asking for more money.

There will be opportunities we need to be ready to pounce.
Florida was always ready to pounce.

With our draft picks, it looks like the largest offer sheet we can sign this summer is about 1.5 million, which is no comparison. That’s not going to steal anything useful.

 

[Americanadian]

With our draft picks, it looks like the largest offer sheet we can sign this summer is about 1.5 million, which is no comparison. That’s not going to steal anything useful.

The Leafs can sign someone up to 2.34M.

They could probably trade the 63OA for their own 2026 2nd at the draft which would open them up for an OS up to 4.68M.

Interesting players at 2.34M: Goncalves, Chisholm, Bourque, Malinski

Interesting players at 4.68M: McBain, Evangelista

 

[LeafEgo]

The Leafs can sign someone up to 2.34M.

They could probably trade the 63OA for their own 2026 2nd at the draft which would open them up for an OS up to 4.68M.

Interesting players at 2.34M: Goncalves, Chisholm, Bourque, Malinski

Interesting players at 4.68M: McBain, Evangelista

I'm guessing you have to pay a premium on getting your own picks back - they know what's up.

 

[Americanadian]

I'm guessing you have to pay a premium on getting your own picks back - they know what's up.

Maybe. This years 2nd is probably more valuable to Chicago though. There is mutual benefit if the Leafs were interested in an offer sheet.

 

[WillNy29]

The Leafs should be targeting two types of players this offseason, especially when it comes to the many holes at forward. Winners, and guys who will outproduce their cap hit.

In the latter category, Tavares and Pacioretty seem like no-brainer guys to bring back. If Tavares can be had for a fraction of his current hit he'll be a valuable piece. Pacioretty looks like a brand new man relative to his previous few years.

Regarding the former category, Marchand is the obvious fit. Friedman has speculated Marchand could be interested in the challenge of leading Toronto to the promise land in a way other players aren't. I'd rip the C off Matthews and give it to the rat in a heartbeat but thats another conversation.

Bennett and Ekblad are pipe dreams. I dont see either of them leaving Florida, and if they did Toronto is still probably at the bottom of the list. Now under that assumption, Marchand could be squeezed out of Florida.

Domi I think you get the most out of him next to Matthews. And Matthews is a big boy and a highly paid one at that. He doesnt need both Knies and Nylander, and if he does he can f*** off.

Knies-Matthews-Domi
Marchand-x-Nylander
Cowan-Tavares-Pacioretty
Tanev-Laughton-McMann

Problem is that X is going to be damn hard to fill this offseason with the demand for centers, and abundance of both cap space and buyers. Danault isnt going anywhere. I think Colorado after signing Nelson would rather move Coyle (no interest there from me) over Colton. It gets even worse since the Leafs have very few tradeable assets. And if you go out and sign a Granlund/Duchene type youre just as soft as before

oddly enough matthews has played his best playoff hockey with Johnson and kapanen and with Bert and domi (injured but won a game by himself and set up the go ahead goal in game 7 that series). I think knies-matthews-domi also inadvertently forces the coach to stop starting him so much in the defensive zone and also spread out offence. I think I would replace McMann with a strong, fast defensively responsible puck hound on that fourth line and maybe add danault at 2C or something giving you defensive balance and scoring throughout the line up with speed and tenacity