Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Folignos Helmet]

Not the big ticket players, but the types of trade i hope Tre looks for is Jarnkrok+ for Kostin from San Jose, similar cap hit but much different player, and a young guy with some untapped potential. Also Kampf+Robertson to Anaheim for Lundestrom, a young C who hasn't hit yet, but has shown flashes and has been pushed out by other top prospects their. Both teams could use some vets down their lineup and have endless cap.

Young players with upside who play different and could maybe pop around better players/environment. Lundestrom as 3C with JT and Laughton on his wings could evolve?

 

[rumman]

Horrible flashback to Hyman playing with Matthews and marner hitting 41 points at age 26.

Hyman shoots R, played LW with Matthews and marner.

Would it be crazy to try: Knies - Matthews - Holmberg?

I know, I know Matthews needs a marner level player on his line to produce. Right?

not necessarily, he does need two line mates that are willing to do all the heavy lifting in getting the puck to Captain Arrogance though.............

 

[rumman]

Shots by type:
Toronto

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Edmonton
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Looks like in Edmonton Zach is getting the puck passed to him, whereas in Toronto he was doing to digging, and wrap goals =0?

My guess is he plays with players who will win puck battles and get him the puck now.

Yes, a very good passer for Matthews and Domi and Nylander are available today.

winner winner chicken dinner............

 

[BallardEra]

I expect a wild summer of signings and trading in the NHL.

Cap going up wih a lot of teams looking to change their identities and overall makeups means you'll see a lot of desperate GMs feeling the heat.

Buckle up for the ride.

 

[Americanadian]

Shots by type:
Toronto

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Edmonton
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Looks like in Edmonton Zach is getting the puck passed to him, whereas in Toronto he was doing to digging, and wrap goals =0?

My guess is he plays with players who will win puck battles and get him the puck now.

Yes, a very good passer for Matthews and Domi and Nylander are available today.

I am confused how this makes Knies-Matthews-Holmberg a Hyman-Matthews-Marner remake. None of Knies/Matthews/Holmberg are nearly as good at passing as Marner, or Hyman’s linemate in Edmonton.

 

[ULF_55]

I am confused how this makes Knies-Matthews-Holmberg a Hyman-Matthews-Marner remake. None of Knies/Matthews/Holmberg are nearly as good at passing as Marner, or Hyman’s linemate in Edmonton.

Leafs didn't know Hyman was a goal scorer.
They wouldn't meet his demand because he was just a 21 goal, 40-50 point player.
So he went to the Oilers for $5.5mm and now is realistically a 30+ goal scorer, 50+ points.

Just with Holmberg's record of production, I'd just expect he'll go somewhere like Hyman and be given a different role.

And, no I don't want another Matthews-marner line, so Hyman playing on his off-wing with Matthews, and Holmberg playing on his off-wing with Matthews and Knies would just be an interesting experiment.

Holmberg has played all forward positions.

 

[Tony Romo]

Rangers have 8.42M in cap space but have to extend Miller and Cuylle? YIKES

 

[Americanadian]

Leafs didn't know Hyman was a goal scorer.
They wouldn't meet his demand because he was just a 21 goal, 40-50 point player.
So he went to the Oilers for $5.5mm and now is realistically a 30+ goal scorer, 50+ points.

Just with Holmberg's record of production, I'd just expect he'll go somewhere like Hyman and be given a different role.

And, no I don't want another Matthews-marner line, so Hyman playing on his off-wing with Matthews, and Holmberg playing on his off-wing with Matthews and Knies would just be an interesting experiment.

Holmberg has played all forward positions.

Is Hyman’s role on the McDavid line that much different than the Marner-Matthews line or is McDavid just a better set up man? Hyman also gets PP time in Edmonton which increases his goal totals.

Do we really believe, based on everything we saw from Hyman and Holmberg as Leafs, that Holmberg can replicate half of Hyman’s production? Holmberg just scored 2 5v5 goals im 782 minutes in his age 25 season. His most common linemate at 5v5 this season was Nylander.

 

[The Shadow]

Cap space is like gold. Don’t blow it all and get teams In a desperate situation. Just like we have a 1st for Carolina to take Marleau

 

[Americanadian]

Cap space is like gold. Don’t blow it all and get teams In a desperate situation. Just like we have a 1st for Carolina to take Marleau

There will probably be 2-3 teams struggling to hit the cap floor this year and at most 1-2 teams that are desperate to clear space. There is unlikely to be a market for a trade like that.

The most difficult to move asset this summer will probably be Dumba and I anticipate someone just takes Dumba and Bourque with nothing going back.

NYR will probably move Kreider for free and KAM for a good return.

Dallas probably gets an asset for Marchment.

Vegas, if they spend big on a winger, will probably deal Karlsson or Roy or Whitecloud for an asset. They will also move out Hague for an asset to make room.

 

[rumman]

Leafs didn't know Hyman was a goal scorer.
They wouldn't meet his demand because he was just a 21 goal, 40-50 point player.
So he went to the Oilers for $5.5mm and now is realistically a 30+ goal scorer, 50+ points.

Just with Holmberg's record of production, I'd just expect he'll go somewhere like Hyman and be given a different role.

And, no I don't want another Matthews-marner line, so Hyman playing on his off-wing with Matthews, and Holmberg playing on his off-wing with Matthews and Knies would just be an interesting experiment.

Holmberg has played all forward positions.

How stupid was not resigning him, exactly what yhis team lacks snd Boy Wonder let him walk out the door……

 

[Tony Romo]

There will probably be 2-3 teams struggling to hit the cap floor this year and at most 1-2 teams that are desperate to clear space. There is unlikely to be a market for a trade like that.

The most difficult to move asset this summer will probably be Dumba and I anticipate someone just takes Dumba and Bourque with nothing going back.

NYR will probably move Kreider for free and KAM for a good return.

Dallas probably gets an asset for Marchment.

Vegas, if they spend big on a winger, will probably deal Karlsson or Roy or Whitecloud for an asset. They will also move out Hague for an asset to make room.

This isn't probably the best move for a team that is technically "contending" But I'd consider moving Benoit for picks/assets and acquiring Dumba if it means us getting Bourque.

OEL - Dumba as the third pairing.

 

[Americanadian]

This isn't probably the best move for a team that is technically "contending" But I'd consider moving Benoit for picks/assets and acquiring Dumba if it means us getting Bourque.

OEL - Dumba as the third pairing.

I could see a team like Chicago or Pittsburgh doing this in hopes that Bourque becomes a good player.

I don’t see the upside for Toronto. Is Bourque the type of player they’re trying to add or is he more of a Jarnkrok type?

Do you get to the trade deadline next season and you’re adding a player to replace Bourque on L3?

 

[Torontonian]

If Domi is not good enough because Matthews can,t make look a middle 6 player like being able to play in a 1st, you will need to explain me why do we pay him 13,25M?!?!?!

mcdavid playing with perry
draisaitl with kapanen
mackinnon with lehkonen
Barkov with rodrigues

Yeah Domi should be good enough to play with Matthews or we have a massive issue here...

At this salary he should be able to go with Knies with any of Domi/laughton/ cowan/Jarnkrok or whatever and still performz, that's why he pay for

It literately has nothing to do with that... Domi sucks ass defensively, now put him up against the McDavids/Barkovs/Kucherov/ etc and he gets exposed and the line gets dragged down.. Being good in the o-zone and bad in the d-zone isn't good enough...

That is why he's not good enough. Has nothing to do with Matthews cap hit.. but ok.

 

[Dreakmur]

It literately has nothing to do with that... Domi sucks ass defensively, now put him up against the McDavids/Barkovs/Kucherov/ etc and he gets exposed and the line gets dragged down.. Being good in the o-zone and bad in the d-zone isn't good enough...

That is why he's not good enough. Has nothing to do with Matthews cap hit.. but ok.

This view is way overblown.

Domi gets exposed defensively as a center for two reasons. First, he's not a center. Second, centers have much more defensive impact than wingers, so his weakness in that area gets magnified.

As a winger, he's not a liability defensively.

 

[fahad203]

How stupid was not resigning him, exactly what yhis team lacks snd Boy Wonder let him walk out the door……

Hyman Kadri Perry

Instead you got Bunting Kerfoot and Simmonds

Oh Kyle.

 

[WillNy29]

Horrible flashback to Hyman playing with Matthews and marner hitting 41 points at age 26.

Hyman shoots R, played LW with Matthews and marner.

Would it be crazy to try: Knies - Matthews - Holmberg?

I know, I know Matthews needs a marner level player on his line to produce. Right?

doesnt matthews have like 1.38 ppg without marner on his wing?

 

[Menzinger]

Truly worried about what this team is going to do in free agency. Downward swing incoming if they are planning on building there team in FA.

Potentially needing to fill:

Top 6 RW.
Top 6 C
Top 6 LW

Throwing term and money at average players to fill big holes doesn't seem like a winning play.

All comes down to what Pelly told Tre about his job security. But contracts this summer and next are absolutely going to favor short term competitivenes over longer term consequences, regardless of whom the Leafs get

 

[Menzinger]

NJD makes a ton of sense for Kampf and they likely try to clear cap space. Haula for Kampf could makes sense for the Leafs. Haula could bring some speed and upside at 3LW and he's a pending UFA so no long-term risk. Berube used 7 C's throughout this past season (Matthews, Domi, Tavares, Laughton, Kampf, Minten, Holmberg) he likely wants players on the roster who can fill in at C if Kampf and Holmberg aren't available.

Keefe also is clearly a big fan..so it makes sense.

Lots of bodies in the bottom 9 to move out though if they want to change the forward group and take advantage of the capspace. Outside of maybe Domi they don't really need to keep anyone depending on what deals are out there

 

[Kiwi]

How stupid was not resigning him, exactly what yhis team lacks snd Boy Wonder let him walk out the door……

I'm no Dubas fan but I've been surprised at how much Hyman has scored in Edmonton

At the time the contract looked like an overpayment but it's aging unbelievably well

Keefe also is clearly a big fan..so it makes sense.

Lots of bodies in the bottom 9 to move out though if they want to change the forward group and take advantage of the capspace. Outside of maybe Domi they don't really need to keep anyone depending on what deals are out there

The bottom 6 needs a clean out and major rethink, we need to build lines that are good at something not just a bunch of vanilla guys who are OK but don't fit together

 

[Americanadian]

Keefe also is clearly a big fan..so it makes sense.

Lots of bodies in the bottom 9 to move out though if they want to change the forward group and take advantage of the capspace. Outside of maybe Domi they don't really need to keep anyone depending on what deals are out there

Laughton is the only one I’d keep and even then I’d move him if you could recoup the value you gave up for him.

 

[Menzinger]

I'm no Dubas fan but I've been surprised at how much Hyman has scored in Edmonton

At the time the contract looked like an overpayment but it's aging unbelievably well


The bottom 6 needs a clean out and major rethink, we need to build lines that are good at something not just a bunch of vanilla guys who are OK but don't fit together

Yep. I don't dislike many of them individually but it's a poor mix. And if they want to take advantage of turning Marner capspace into more depth, it's going to require bodies out the door. The added advantage is the potential to maybe get some extra mid round picks plus even more capspace

 

[ULF_55]

doesnt matthews have like 1.38 ppg without marner on his wing?

Does someone have to tell the coach?

 

[WillNy29]

Does someone have to tell the coach?

honestly someones gotta be bitching when they get split up because every time matthews has been good in the playoffs its been away from Marner lol

 

[ULF_55]

Yep. I don't dislike many of them individually but it's a poor mix. And if they want to take advantage of turning Marner capspace into more depth, it's going to require bodies out the door. The added advantage is the potential to maybe get some extra mid round picks plus even more capspace

If Robertson was a full time player, with just one more tool (Marchand gene), that would be a huge start.