Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Kiwi]

Domi can't be in the top six in the fall if they want to be a better team.

I'm going to disagree on that one, Domi can't be a top 9 center but an elite 1st line center should be able to carry somebody of Domi's ability on his RW

If the guy making 13.5M can't we've got another serious discussion to be had

 

[Menzinger]

Domi would be great as the 3rd line winger… but that only works if we have someone better for the top line. We don’t have that, and we likely can’t get it without sacrificing depth.

Domi allows us to fill the top line with an adequate player while allowing cap space to add depth.

Eh, they should be able to get a 5-6 million dollar Marner replacement + a new centre and still have money for depth. If.they're not bringing in a few guys better than Domi we're in for a pretty rough ride next season

 

[Torontonian]

I'm going to disagree on that one, Domi can't be a top 9 center but an elite 1st line center should be able to carry somebody of Domi's ability on his RW

If the guy making 13.5M can't we've got another serious discussion to be had

I think the conversation needs to shift too how does Toronto get a better player on their top line RW or 2nd line LW, so they are able to have Domi play where he should be playing, which is 3rd line winger.

This isn't about Matthews having to carry lesser players on his line, but how Toronto gets better & deeper players on the roster.

 

[Dreakmur]

Eh, they should be able to get a 5-6 million dollar Marner replacement + a new centre and still have money for depth. If.they're not bringing in a few guys better than Domi we're in for a pretty rough ride next season

Our two biggest needs are 2C and 3C. Filling those spots are far more important than replacing a player who has shown to be effective on the 1st line. Our next biggest need is adding a whole pile of grit and aggression.

We could go with something like…

Knies-Matthews-Domi
Kreider-Pageau-Nylander
Colton-Bennett-Cowan
Tanev-Laughton-Jeannot

That depth is way better than replacing Domi.

 

[Kiwi]

I think the conversation needs to shift too how does Toronto get a better player on their top line RW or 2nd line LW, so they are able to have Domi play where he should be playing, which is 3rd line winger.

This isn't about Matthews having to carry lesser players on his line, but how Toronto gets better & deeper players on the roster.

The cap dollars don't work unless you can get somebody on an ECL to play 1st line RW instead of Domi

 

[Gallagbi]

The cap dollars don't work unless you can get somebody on an ECL to play 1st line RW instead of Domi

Kane?

 

[Kiwi]

Kane?

Will he play here? He seems to keep on staying in Detroit

 

[Torontonian]

The cap dollars don't work unless you can get somebody on an ECL to play 1st line RW instead of Domi

I disagree, they need to find a way to get creative via trade.

Just stringing together random stuff.. as an example.. Just using free agency to fill out the roster.. Gives Toronto 3.5m via trade/FA to fill that last 2nd line LW spot (if they can get a team like the Rangers to retain on Kreider for 3.25m.. Or any player that has a 7m cap hit... Maybe someone like Tarasenko as well... Marchment out of Dallas.. Etc ) & I don't think these numbers are going to be to far off what some of these players will make.



Knies (7.5m) - Matthews - P.Kane (4m)
??? - Bennett (8m) - Nylander
Mantha (3m) - Tavares (4.75m) - Domi
McMann - Laughton - Lorentz (775k) (or any other player that makes league min, easy to find).

 

[Kiwi]

I disagree, they need to find a way to get creative via trade.

Just stringing together random stuff.. as an example.. Just using free agency to fill out the roster.. Gives Toronto 3.5m via trade/FA to fill that last 2nd line LW spot (if they can get a team like the Rangers to retain on Kreider for 3.25m.. Or any player that has a 7m cap hit... Maybe someone like Tarasenko as well... ) & I don't think these numbers are going to be to far off what some of these players will make.



Knies (7.5m) - Matthews - P.Kane (4m)
??? - Bennett (8m) - Nylander
Mantha (3m) - Tavares (4.75m) - Domi
McMann - Laughton - Lorentz (775k) (or any other player that makes league min, easy to find).

Kane? He's American and only ever played for American NHL teams
There's talk of Bennett at 10M a season
I seriously doubt a team like the Rangers will eat that kind of money
Mantha is wildly inconsistent
Seems a bit low on JT to

I think your numbers are light

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Not sure I buy the DNA change narrative, but if they go down that route, who are legitimate "DNA changers", based on players who may have some availability. A few below, any others?

Top tier - vocal with enough skill to back it up to influence current leadership:
Sam Bennett
Brad Marchard
Nazem Kadri
Brayden Schenn

Supporting tier - offset leadership with supporting voice/behaviour of change:
Corey Perry/Evander Kane (likely only available if Oil win cup)
Josh Anderson (retained)
Jamie Benn (doubtful he leaves Dallas)
Chris Kreider
Jonathan Toews
Tanner Jeannot

 

[rumman]

No there one of the best goalscorers of his generation and one of the best playmaking wingers over the last decade

Exactly, no one, that’s how your response reads to me………

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Man are Bennett and Marchand ever gonna cash in this offseason.

Gotta be 10+ For Bennett and 8+ for Marchy.

I think July 1 is gonna be a shit show. Well, it always is, but more so than usual.

 

[rumman]

Man are Bennett and Marchand ever gonna cash in this offseason.

Gotta be 10+ For Bennett and 8+ for Marchy.

I think July 1 is gonna be a shit show. Well, it always is, but more so than usual.

Those numbers are media hype, take the hook out of your mouth……..

 

[Legion34]

Kane? He's American and only ever played for American NHL teams
There's talk of Bennett at 10M a season
I seriously doubt a team like the Rangers will eat that kind of money
Mantha is wildly inconsistent
Seems a bit low on JT to

I think your numbers are light

Kane came to London in junior. His father follows the team to games and hates flying.
He lives in Buffalo.

His father was ok with the Atlantic division.
Toronto is closer than Detroit. I’m also relatively positive he lived here when he rehabbed his hip?



I could see him being ok with Toronto

Getting to play with Matthews in the Marner spot would be a good deal for him. Or heck try to get a Chicago reunion.

Knies. Matthews. Kane
Mcman. Tavares. Nylander
Domi. Toews. Laughton

Etc. im pretty sure there would be more money there for a top 6f.

 

[Tony Romo]

Honestly, it's gotta be get Marchand at whatever cost this offseason.

get Marchand and if Cowan sticks with the roster. Do whatever it takes to get Cowan attached to Marchand every second.

 

[Tony Romo]

I could see a team like Chicago or Pittsburgh doing this in hopes that Bourque becomes a good player.

I don’t see the upside for Toronto. Is Bourque the type of player they’re trying to add or is he more of a Jarnkrok type?

Do you get to the trade deadline next season and you’re adding a player to replace Bourque on L3?

I see Bourque having value/assets plus also potentially being a good player with more opportunity. Dumba is bad, but as RD3 he's serviceable. You trade Benoit, get an asset back. Put OEL on his strong side and acquire potentially a good player or another asset that can be used for trades to upgrade the team.

With lack of assets, but lots of cap. Kinda have to get smart this offseason

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Those numbers are media hype, take the hook out of your mouth……..

With the cap rising significantly, you truly underestimate the stupidity of GMs league wide.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Honestly, it's gotta be get Marchand at whatever cost this offseason.

Sure, if it's a 1 or 2 year deal around 6 million per.

It's not going to be.

He's having a great playoff stretch, but he's 37 years old and clearly on the decline.

 

[Gallagbi]

Will he play here? He seems to keep on staying in Detroit

I haven't personally asked him, but it seems like he'd be an option. He hasn't played a ton of time in Detroit, so maybe he goes back but I don't think he's incredibly tied there

You also don't always need to have someone better outright to replace the player, lines aren't always depth charts. You could run Matthews - Knies and a bigger RW as a heavy first line, which gives some options with Domi

You could always throw Nylander on Matthews wing too and then replace the second line completely.

 

[LeafChief]

Someone a few pages back mentioned now being the time to move off of players like Benoit and McMann. I couldn't agree more.

With the way we have been bleeding picks, you can use the two of them as an opportunity to replenish some of those picks (3rd-6th rounders likely) while replacing the players in free agency.

McMann is super streaky and was invisible in the playoffs. If you're not going to score, I'd prefer a player like Jeannot who is going to f*** shit up.

Benoit played great in the playoffs but they really need a puck mover back there and he's the logical person to replace.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Kane came to London in junior. His father follows the team to games and hates flying.
He lives in Buffalo.

His father was ok with the Atlantic division.
Toronto is closer than Detroit. I’m also relatively positive he lived here when he rehabbed his hip?



I could see him being ok with Toronto

Getting to play with Matthews in the Marner spot would be a good deal for him. Or heck try to get a Chicago reunion.

Knies. Matthews. Kane
Mcman. Tavares. Nylander
Domi. Toews. Laughton

Etc. im pretty sure there would be more money there for a top 6f.

Good call on the rehab! I almost forgot about that. He lived in Port Credit area. My friend texted me multiple times to let me know when he saw Kane at "Cousin's" grocery store. LOL

So he's familiar with the city and his dad - who hates flying - would probably love this location as an alternative to Buffalo.

Is that enough to sway Kane? I don't know. It's something though.

 

[Tony Romo]

They probably won't take him because they are loaded at forward. But Kane playing well with Matthews could give him a chance at the olympic team.

Could be an extra incentive

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Evander Kane is definitely better than Max Domi…. And Corey Perry is definitely worse.

Not sure how you came up with Domi being better than Perry. If I had to pick one of them to play in a playoff series deciding game, I take Perry every single time, no questions asked!

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Not sure I buy the DNA change narrative, but if they go down that route, who are legitimate "DNA changers", based on players who may have some availability. A few below, any others?

Top tier - vocal with enough skill to back it up to influence current leadership:
Sam Bennett
Brad Marchard
Nazem Kadri
Brayden Schenn

Supporting tier - offset leadership with supporting voice/behaviour of change:
Corey Perry/Evander Kane (likely only available if Oil win cup)
Josh Anderson (retained)
Jamie Benn (doubtful he leaves Dallas)
Chris Kreider
Jonathan Toews
Tanner Jeannot

I completely agree with you.

After watching the Oilers-Panthers games, it is essential that we get the right type of players for the playoffs. Our main guys need support in a big way. The support has to come from mature players.....not kids. I don't have much hope for Marner (he's pretty much gone anyway), but I feel as though Matthews and Nylander may have more of a chameleon component to their personalities where they can, hopefully, change their styles to match those around them.

If we fail again next year, we can always trade one of the big guys for younger players. Then, we would have to cross our fingers that we have a Washington Capitals-style seamless reset. For now, though, screw it. Just get the mature leaders with speed and skill.

I know it's almost impossible but imagine Kreider, Marchand, Toews and P. Kane on the team next year. That's a transformation.

Also, keep Domi please. More Domis, less Jankroks.

 

[thusk]

Who made any excuses for Matthews? I stated Domi isn't good enough to play on a teams top line.. You're bringing up nonsense. You need better then Domi on your top line to win.. Domi on the 3rd line wing spot is how you have depth.

Also, Knies really didn't carry the top line, he had 7 points in 13 games, and 34 had 11 in 13.. but ok..
Last playoffs, Matthews also had more point then Knies.

thr non-sense is

a 4th line 40 y/o who's not better than Domi is good enough to play with mcdavid

a 4th line 30 pts max pacioretty who's not bbetter than Domi is good enough tonplay with Nylander

Jonathan Drouin i who's not better than Domi is good enough tonplay with mackinnon

beauvilier who's not a better player is good enough for Ovechkin

Rodrigues or Boqvist who's not a better player is enough for Barkov

Cousins who was by far a worst player than domi was enough for Tkachuk

But Domi should not be enough for our superstar Austin Matthews. If it's not enough, he shouldn't never be compare to any NHL superstars

PS Matthews can have the number of pts he want, the guy who creating thing on that line was not Matthees... He was by far the worst player of that line and its not even close...