Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[MajorLeaf]

It's a risk in your late 20s...what if he falls off? Imagine Huberdeau went short term to cash in again? Sometimes it doesn't work out but it is his choice.

It does seem unlikely that a sign and trade is available for the Leafs with Marner though so scrap that idea.

Maybe that can look at a separate trade for someone off of Vegas because they'll need cap space if they're going after Marner anyway.

Marner avoids getting injured/hit, don’t see it being an issue for him. Money Mitch wants to be paid, as does dad.

 

[Avilaj07]

There is absolutely 0 indication that the DNA comment meant towards Nylander. He and Matthews are pretty much locks to remain.
Also who on this team has demonstrated what it takes to win? Aside from a couple complementry players? Why makes you think that comment refers to Nylander?

Just my assumption. While Willy does have his moments where he just dominates, there's also a lot of moments as well that his effort level is minimal to say the least. While we can get away with that in the regular season, playoffs is a different ball game. Your effort level needs to be at 100% every shift and if you're really looking and changing the DNA of this team then you have to look at your core players. Your depth players are going to follow how your core when it comes to effort.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Marner avoids getting injured/hit, don’t see it being an issue for him. Money Mitch wants to be paid, as does dad.

The 2 areas of concern I would have about him as he gets older which may impact how valuable he is would be his lack of foot speed and his shot.

He's already not a burner for his size and he's not the biggest goal scorer but he's going to be paid like he's the best winger in the league....but he has a high hockey IQ, great passing, durability (due to avoiding contact) which may work out. Ray Whitney had a good long career too, just not sure if Marner's bigger pay day will be there for him in 4-6 years but he totally earned the ability to decide his future.

 

[Torontonian]

There is absolutely 0 indication that the DNA comment meant towards Nylander. He and Matthews are pretty much locks to remain.
Also who on this team has demonstrated what it takes to win? Aside from a couple complementry players? Why makes you think that comment refers to Nylander?

I mean, there's 0 indication the DNA comment is towards Marner and co either. It's pretty pointless to speculate on what players he means until change happens.

But let's be real here, Nylander also had some abysmal games with his effort level in the playoffs as well. How many times have you seen Nylander lay on the ice and block a shot etc... He's had good series and games in the playoffs -- But he's been apart of the problem for 9 years.

 

[TMLAM34]

I’ve explored trade ideas involving Nylander but have never been satisfied with the overall team afterwards. I always felt there was a major drop from Matthews to our next “star player”. With Marner gone (most likely), it’s in the best interest to hold onto Nylander and give the team a 1-2 punch with Matthews on the 1st line and Nylander on the 2nd line.

The only trade idea I would be pretty open to would be trading Nylander to Utah in a deal involving Guenther + Hayton + draft pick(s). But again, neither player is nearly as dynamic as Willy. I would probably aim to move JT to the wing in this scenario as well and have a second line of Tavares - Hayton - Guenther.

 

[rumman]

Marchment-Matthews-Ehlers
Knies-Bennett-88

I feel like that 2nd line would be an absolute load to handle.

Imo, the rat is effective because he’s sheltered on the Panthers 3rd line, at his age I wouldn’t pencil him in on the first line if he was acquired………

 

[rumman]

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Nylander is moved this off season. Judging from Trelivings comments about DNA and what it takes to win, I can see Marner gone 100% but also Nylander.

The more of the core the better imo……..

 

[rumman]

People shit on JT and his 11m cap hit, and he puts up nearly double Bennett's points per season. It's absurd people think paying 8-10m for a ONE time 50 point center and his intangibles is a good idea.

This free agency, if Toronto is paying top dollar for mediocre players -- Toronto might be in trouble.

Not in the playoffs, not when it counted…….

 

[WTFMAN99]

Imo, the rat is effective because he’s sheltered on the Panthers 3rd line, at his age I wouldn’t pencil him in on the first line if he was acquired………

Mason Marchment not Brad Marchand =)

 

[rumman]

There is absolutely 0 indication that the DNA comment meant towards Nylander. He and Matthews are pretty much locks to remain.
Also who on this team has demonstrated what it takes to win? Aside from a couple complementry players? Why makes you think that comment refers to Nylander?

That’s the problem the entire core continually fails………

 

[rumman]

Mason Marchment not Brad Marchand =)

Oops, my bad, but doesn’t the same comment apply to Marchment? I hated losing him to that idiotic trade by Boy Wonder……..

 

[WTFMAN99]

Oops, my bad, but doesn’t the same comment apply to Marchment? I hated losing him to that idiotic trade by Boy Wonder……..

Balanced attack in Dallas, Marchment is listed on their "2nd line" but their top 9 could really kill you on any given night.

Evan Rodrigues plays with some pretty good guys in Florida but likely isn't thought of as a traditional top 6 forward.

 

[rumman]

Balanced attack in Dallas, Marchment is listed on their "2nd line" but their top 9 could really kill you on any given night.

Evan Rodrigues plays with some pretty good guys in Florida but likely isn't thought of as a traditional top 6 forward.

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It’s scary to look at the depth of real cup contenders, that’s possible because they don’t overpay elite chokers……..

 

[Skullz]

That would require a totally different level of work ethic Styles obviously doesn’t possess……..

He literally pked a ton last year. Had 4 short handed goals if memory serves.

 

[Skullz]

Might be worth a try

Last year under Keefe he pked a fair bit. Had a bunch of shorthanded goals.

 

[The Shadow]

Last year under Keefe he pked a fair bit. Had a bunch of shorthanded goals.

Let’s get back to that then. He wants ice time let’s give it to him

 

[Torontonian]

Not in the playoffs, not when it counted…….

Yes, well.. you need to get to the playoffs first off -- I don't think paying 8m to 10m for a 45 point center and another 6-9m for another lesser player is going to cut it to make the playoffs.

Toronto potentially is going to have to replace:

38G & 36A for 74 points
27G & 75A for 102 points..

176 total points last season between the 2.... I don't think 45 average points a season Sam Bennett and another we will go with Nik Ehlers (best UFA winger on market)? whose highest point total is 64, 9 seasons ago is going to come close to replacing that offence.

 

[Nylander88]

Writing seems to be on the wall that Marner will be gone & that Tavares is only back if its on a sweetheart of a deal.
I'd like to target both Bennett & Marchand as I'm sure most here would. Boeser I think could be a nice add too. Certainly a lot of money to play with if we let both Marner & JT walk. Wouldn't mind seeing Brandon Tanev join his brother in Toronto as well. Players to offload include: Jarnkrok, Kampf, Robertson, Reaves.

Marner's projected 13ish million = Bennett @ 7 mil + Boeser @ 6.5 mil
Tavares 11 mil currently = 7 mil raise for Knies + 4 mil for Marchand
Brandon Tanev for around 2-2.5mil comes from unloading some of the above listed contracts, as well as helping cover the raises for Woll & McCabe this year.

Knies-Matthews-Boeser
Marchand-Bennett-Nylander
McMann-Laughton-Domi
Lorentz-Holmberg-B.Tanev

McCabe-C.Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
Benoit-OEL

Stolarz
Woll

Can't help but think this would be a competitive roster with a bit of an identity change and serviceable grit added.
If anyone likes this lineup...fun question...who gets the other "A" on this proposed lineup?
Matthews = Captain
Rielly= Assistant
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[rumman]

Yes, well.. you need to get to the playoffs first off -- I don't think paying 8m to 10m for a 45 point center and another 6-9m for another lesser player is going to cut it to make the playoffs.

Toronto potentially is going to have to replace:

38G & 36A for 74 points
27G & 75A for 102 points..

176 total points last season between the 2.... I don't think 45 average points a season Sam Bennett and another we will go with Nik Ehlers (best UFA winger on market)? whose highest point total is 64, 9 seasons ago is going to come close to replacing that offence.

If you can’t win in the playoffs, what’s the sense of making the playoffs? This team needs to experience the struggle of making the playoffs, that will help them when the playoffs arrive. Breezing into the playoffs hasn’t exactly translated into playoff success has it?

 

[Torontonian]

If you can’t win in the playoffs, what’s the sense of making the playoffs? This team needs to experience the struggle of making the playoffs, that will help them when the playoffs arrive. Breezing into the playoffs hasn’t exactly translated into playoff success has it?

I don't even know how to respond to a post like this....

 

[FerrisRox]

Fraser Minten? Nice kid but bottom 6 centres are not hard to find

If bottom 6 centres are so easy to come by, why did the Leafs just give up a 1st round pick to acquire a mediocre at best bottom six centre in Scott Laughton?

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
K'Andre Miller
Alexis Lafreniere
Will Cuylle

To Rangers-
Morgan Rielly
William Nylander
Bobby Mcmann

 

[WTFMAN99]

If bottom 6 centres are so easy to come by, why did the Leafs just give up a 1st round pick to acquire a mediocre at best bottom six centre in Scott Laughton?

Good question.

Personally I wasn't the biggest fan of Laughton to fix the 3C hole, I think he's a good bottom 6 winger but not going to offer us much at centre.

Kampf I suspect we kept because of Keefe combined with ROR walking on us.

I definitely think pro scouting needs a shake up, maybe amateur as well. How the hell have we not developed a centre since we drafted Auston Matthews?

 

[SprDaVE]

Seravalli confirmed what I suspected -- the Ducks are likely the top suitor for Marner. Tons of cap space to offer a top deal and a market that fits what Marner likely wants. A new coach and a team on the cusp of breaking through with a little more firepower.

 

[FerrisRox]

Good question.

Personally I wasn't the biggest fan of Laughton to fix the 3C hole, I think he's a good bottom 6 winger but not going to offer us much at centre.

Kampf I suspect we kept because of Keefe combined with ROR walking on us.

I definitely think pro scouting needs a shake up, maybe amateur as well. How the hell have we not developed a centre since we drafted Auston Matthews?

I agree Laughton is much more effective on the wing, but even as a winger certainly not worth a 1st round pick.