Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[The Shadow]

Rielly needs to be moved 100%

Thanks for everything but it’s time for a change.

Have a plan in place to bring in a younger, puck moving type

 

[The Shadow]

Need to get bigger, faster and more skilled

Florida will be the same team for several years to come. They are the bench mark in the east

They have added a lot of pieces to their team with smart moves. Getting reclamation projects and buying low on guys. Like Reinhart, Bennett, Forsling.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Shea Theodore
William Karlsson
Ivan Barbashev

To Vegas-
Morgan Rielly
William Nylander
Calle Jarnkrok

 

[hamzarocks]

To Toronto-
Shea Theodore
William Karlsson
Ivan Barbashev

To Vegas-
Morgan Rielly
William Nylander
Calle Jarnkrok

Shit deal for the knights sadly.

They'd never touch that

 

[Fogelhund]

Need to get bigger, faster and more skilled

Florida will be the same team for several years to come. They are the bench mark in the east

They have added a lot of pieces to their team with smart moves. Getting reclamation projects and buying low on guys. Like Reinhart, Bennett, Forsling.

Sure... but how exactly do you get bigger, faster and more skilled? Where are these players?

 

[The Shadow]

Sure... but how exactly do you get bigger, faster and more skilled? Where are these players?

Piece by piece. Florida as an example was built over several years. That’s a bad the news

The good news is Toronto has some good pieces already. Knies is going to be a great one.

They just have to start this summer. Targeting the type of players they want and go after the ones that make the most sense.

Piece by piece

And stop trading draft picks.

Also I think Haymes is going to be a good NHLer who is exactly what I’m talking about. Big with skill and isn’t afraid to be around the net

 

[LeafParade]

Most of the free agent names mentioned are not obtainable. The free agent class is just not deep. Better off not throwing longterm contracts around out of desperation.

I think Cowan and Haymes will be given opportunities to make the team.

 

[Fogelhund]

Kampf + Jarnkrok --> Krebs
Rielly --> Vancouver (assuming they traded Hughes to NJD) for Sherwood + 1st (15th OA)
Matthews -> LA Kings, Byfield + Clarke + Greentree + 1st (27th OA)
Carlo --> Edmonton -> Evander Kane
Reaves --> To whomever, for whatever

Sign
Knies 8 x $7.22
Tavares 4 x $4.5
Bennett 5 x $6.6
Ehlers 6 x $8.1
Provorov 6 x $7 mil
Ekblad 5 x $7.8

Knies Byfield Nylander
Ehlers Bennett Kane
McMann Tavares Domi
Sherwood Krebs Laughton

Provorov Ekblad
McCabe Tanev
OEL Clarke
Benoit

Bigger, faster, more physical... better??? Well, it's different.. a lot of moving pieces.

 

[ashs]

Benett is POs he can f off.

 

[aingefan]

I like the Pius Suter idea. Is he a 2C who is a late bloomer? A 3C? Either way, he would be a good guy to rotate with Tavares.

I would imagine him being part of a return for Rielly. The only issue is that he costs way less than Rielly. We would probably have to retain on Rielly and also pick up a cap dump. Do the Canucks have a cap dump though? Not sure. Maybe Dakota Joshua is getting into that territory. That's a guy I wouldn't mind as a cap dump though.

It would probably have to be a larger, and more complicated, deal to get Suter here and Rielly there.

Suter is UFA, not classic 2C numbers but his role would be to complement Willy and whoever rather than drive the line, and his analytics the past two years have been good.
In a way similar to Max Domi, he’s have a chance to play up a line from where he’ll get paid and maybe provide sone surplus value.
Interesting call on Dakota.
Joshua, Sherwood and Garland are all guys who’d could be potential salaries coming back in a Mo deal with VAN if it ended up going that way and be good fits.
I feel like this was an off year for him adjusting to a new lifestyle, and that he’ll have a nice bounce back year - particularly if he can regain some of the explosiveness in his skating.

 

[Menzinger]

Something the team hasn't been able to do for a while is potentially taken back an contract of a useful player from a cap tight team for a reduced cost to allow them more caproom.

Look for some 4-6ish mil top nine forwards on teams with younger guys they need to give raises to and offer to take them off their hands

 

[aingefan]

Nelson is 33 that just might be the trend.

Duchene as far as I know has no desire to play here, this was reported a couple years ago, so may has changed.

There aren't just many play drivers or guys who can put up big numbers available who want to come here.

The FA class is bad.

They have to do something, but maybe you look at reclamation projects or something, go the way of Florida (Frosling, Bennett, Reinhart, etc).

I think you can find guys in this FA class for the top two lines who can keep up with the existing line drivers the team has: AM and WN.
I think Boeser can be a productive third wheel for AM and MK.
Ehlers or Suter could complement Willy, I think.
But overall, not a ton of options, I’d agree.
Some creativity may be in order.

 

[TheShape]

Duchene made it work to stay in Dallas since he's competing for a cup, they have very lax tax laws and it was a great fit. He could give them another sweetheart deal.

Maybe he'd do the same to move to the GTA but I wouldn't bet one it.

Most likely stays with Dallas on an identical deal. Duchene isn't coming here, I don't even consider him even though he ticks a lot of boxes for us.

 

[Menzinger]

This is so frustrating.

Who else is going to play centre? I'll grant you it's frustrating, but listening to his comments today, he'd be willing to offer a noticable discount. I don't think we can say the same of the few free agency centres

It's weak every year and it will keep being weak with the growing cap. You just never load up on term or expensive players for a bunch of players. You identify 1 or 2 guys that can elevate your team, and then stay patient to fill out the rest with good fits.

If there's one thing Treliving has done relatively well, it's finding some good value in free agency. But with around 20M of cash to burn, he might be a little less cautious.

Next year looks good but the majority of players will get locked up or traded before then, just like what happened for this July 1st this time last year.

While it's a long shot, and probably fairly long at that, as long as McDavid has a chance of testing the market next July the team really needs to have a plan to have the capspace. So either sign some guys to one year deals.this summer if possible,.or have guys you can absolutely trade by next draft.

 

[Americanadian]

Good effort overall... I'm not a fan of Roslovic at all.. he's basically another Domi type player... not physical, not great defensively, 0.5 PPG... I don't know why we'd want him on our first line, he's really a third line guy.

Maybe Patrick Kane would be a better short-term option? Same money....

I’m also not a fan of the player. Roslovic has played on Matthews wing in the past though and I see potential to provide value in that 3-4M range on Matthews wing. I could see 20g/35a in that role.

 

[Americanadian]

Marchessault is super underrated. He's going to be 35 this year though and signed until he's 39. The price seems fair for his production but it's adding another old player on the tail end of his very good career. Either way, I'd be very interested if Nashville wants to re-do that.

I'd have close to zero interest in Roslovic at 3 years, just put Domi in his spot or put the acquired Marchessault in that role, who has been close to a PPG his entire prime career. I do like targetting Marchment if Dallas needs to sell low due to cap restraints but not for McMann, who likely will have an increased effective role at his cap hit. You might as well keep McMann and save yourself 3M.

If Marner walks the leafs will be in a position where they won’t have players to spend on. I’d also be worried about term on Roslovic but at this point I’d be ok with risky contracts so long as they end when Matthews deal ends. That’s why I’d want Marchessault, I’d be ok with keeping Domi and I’d offer these mid tier UFAs 3 years.

Re: Marchment vs McMann, they’re similar profiles. Similar age, both pending UFA’s, relatively big LW. If I could pick between Marchment at 4.5M and McMann at 1.35M I take Marchment for the upside. He has surpassed 45 points three times in his 4 full seasons, the only time he didn’t was after his father passed away. The Leafs are at a point, given their lack of prospects and picks where they need to take the swing on upside.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Suter is UFA, not classic 2C numbers but his role would be to complement Willy and whoever rather than drive the line, and his analytics the past two years have been good.
In a way similar to Max Domi, he’s have a chance to play up a line from where he’ll get paid and maybe provide sone surplus value.
Interesting call on Dakota.
Joshua, Sherwood and Garland are all guys who’d could be potential salaries coming back in a Mo deal with VAN if it ended up going that way and be good fits.
I feel like this was an off year for him adjusting to a new lifestyle, and that he’ll have a nice bounce back year - particularly if he can regain some of the explosiveness in his skating.

Oh crap! Nobody's talking about Pius Suter here (except us) so I thought he had 1 more year left. That's great that he's an UFA. He's a solid 3C/2C to go after. He would fit well rotating with JT.

Yeah, a Rielly trade to Vancouver could be interesting. Fogelhund brought up Sherwood and 15OA. I wouldn't mind that. Or Sherwood, Joshua and a later pick.

 

[LaPlante94]

Nick Schmaltz could be a good C option for Nylander if we could get him. Played together too before getting drafted and still friends apparently. Bring in Ehlers and have that line be all gas no brakes kind of line.

 

[Legion34]

This works lol. 4th line is place holders

 

[Tony Romo]

I don't think the goal should be an expensive winger for Matthews. You already have Knies who will be anywhere between 7m-9m and Matthews Making 13.4. That's why I think keeping Domi and sticking him on that RW makes sense.

If you are signing someone like an Ehlers or Boeser or trading for a guy. It should be lines 2-3.

Similar to the Pius Suter situation. You can sign Pius Suter to be your 2C because he'd be potentially playing with Nylander and another good winger. Which would allow you to have Tavares be 3C.


It sucks we emptied the asset pool for Carlo/Laughton because if I had to guess there's going to be some slightly overpaid players that could be breaking out available (looking at you Laffy)


Knies - Matthews - Domi
Boeser/Ehlers/IDK/Granlund - Suter - Nylander
Marchand - Tavares - Cowan
Wagon - Laughton - Wagon

 

[aingefan]

I’m also not a fan of the player. Roslovic has played on Matthews wing in the past though and I see potential to provide value in that 3-4M range on Matthews wing. I could see 20g/35a in that role.

Yeah, with a guy like Roslovic I think you’re looking to let him ride the coattails of better players because he has talent and you can bleed out more production that way, and hopefully surplus value.

I like the Marchessault idea too. I’ll be surprised if that second isn’t used to either add a player or try to get more 26 picks for trade fodder.

 

[SprDaVE]

If Marner walks the leafs will be in a position where they won’t have players to spend on. I’d also be worried about term on Roslovic but at this point I’d be ok with risky contracts so long as they end when Matthews deal ends. That’s why I’d want Marchessault, I’d be ok with keeping Domi and I’d offer these mid tier UFAs 3 years.

Re: Marchment vs McMann, they’re similar profiles. Similar age, both pending UFA’s, relatively big LW. If I could pick between Marchment at 4.5M and McMann at 1.35M I take Marchment for the upside. He has surpassed 45 points three times in his 4 full seasons, the only time he didn’t was after his father passed away. The Leafs are at a point, given their lack of prospects and picks where they need to take the swing on upside.

I'd take McMann at 1.3M over a fairly minor bump in regular season production for over 3M in cap space. Not even close to me actually. I'm not sure what more upside there is there with Marchment, he is what he is at this rate, a 40 to 50 point mid-line winger with size and wonky slow skating. McMann is a late bloomer so he doesn't have much of a track record but his skating and 2-way ability are far superior. I'd like Marchment because he'd be basically a younger healthy of current Pacioretty but for a much different type of deal.

As for Roslovic, he's just not really the profile of player we need. I think the Leafs would be better off targetting better rounded players that add a different type of element. Domi, Nylander is already very strong on the right in terms of offensive 1-way ability, and if you're already adding Marchessault... seems very redundant. But in the grand scheme of things his cap hit would be fine if you're looking at just having a decent capable scoring option.

 

[Americanadian]

I'd take McMann at 1.3M over a fairly minor bump in regular season production for over 3M in cap space. Not even close to me actually. I'm not sure what more upside there is there with Marchment, he is what he is at this rate, a 40 to 50 point mid-line winger with size and wonky slow skating. McMann is a late bloomer so he doesn't have much of a track record but his skating and 2-way ability are far superior. I'd like Marchment because he'd be basically a younger healthy Pacioretty but for a much different type of deal.

Marchment is also a late bloomer though. They both are what they are. Marchment isn’t a minor bump in production. He’s produced an additional 21 points/82 GP over the last 2 seasons.

As for Roslovic, he's just not really the profile of player we need. I think the Leafs would be better off targetting better rounded players that add a different type of element. Domi, Nylander is already very strong on the right in terms of offensive 1-way ability, and if you're already adding Marchessault... seems very redundant. But in the grand scheme of things his cap hit would be fine if you're looking at just having a decent capable scoring option.

Why not go with Marchessault and Roslovic though? Staple the worse player to Matthews and let him earn that 13.25M.

 

[sxvnert]

McCabe Tanev
OEL Carlo
Benoit Andersson

Send the Flames: McMann, D prospect, pick.

 

[hamzarocks]

This works lol. 4th line is place holders View attachment 1039656

It'll get boston a top pick in 2027.is what that does sadly

If you want to retool a year then that's fine

But you gave Kane + Nelson + Marchand t 4 years is killing our chances to win