Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[sxvnert]

Not sure what worse: the Kessel era when they never made the playoffs or this era with the annual choke job.

 

[sxvnert]

Hopefully Marner goes to the Sens and continues to be useless

He'll go to a non hockey market.

 

[namttebih]

Maybe Matthews would waive for LA?

Byfield and one of Kempe or Fiala? We can throw in Marner's rights?

 

[Tony Romo]

I don't even know what you can do this offseason. Obviously just give Knies an 8 year deal but good lord.

You probably aren't trading Matthews. I think you have to ask Morgan if he would consider waiving.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Get rid of the disease that have been here too long.
Matthews,
Marner,
Willy(yes he's been scoring but he also just gives up on plays and afraid to get hit) JT(too slow)
Rielly, time for a change.

Build around Knies and Cowan and hopefully Mcdavid next season.
Get young impact players for Matthews Willy and Rielly

 

[SprDaVE]

I don't even know what you can do this offseason. Obviously just give Knies an 8 year deal but good lord.

You probably aren't trading Matthews. I think you have to ask Morgan if he would consider waiving.

Treliving isn't going to blow it up anytime soon. He's just not that kind of GM. Anyone that thinks trading Matthews and/or Nylander needs to happen are just basically venting.

The easiest path to retooling is just using all that money leaving and finding other areas to improve. Removing Marner and JT will change this team a ton, and probably for the worse. But it's change.

The hardest path is getting all the players locked up to good deals, and being able to add a player or two and TRYING AGAIIIIN.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Reilly, Marner, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Holmberg must not be on this team moving forward.

 

[Menzinger]

The team also isn't going to blow it up after trading away the team's 1sts until 2027.

They'll do an aggressive retool when Marner walks. Will pressure JT to take a team friendly deal or he walks. Then Tre'll go shopping in free agency since there's not much to trade.

They'll probably clear out a bunch of the bottom six too. Jarnkrok, Reaves ect

 

[ashs]

Trade the players who don't care

 

[ashs]

Reilly, Marner, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Holmberg must not be on this team moving forward.

Matthews too

 

[sxvnert]

Its blatantly obvious that both Marner and Matthews are supporting talent (ex Kessel) and not the alpha talents necessary to build championship teams around. I'm sure both will move onto teams with a built in alpha base but in toronto thats never going to happen.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Trade the players who don't care

So keeping Knies and Tanev lol.

 

[ashs]

So keeping Knies and Tanev lol.

And Benoit

 

[Fogelhund]

Not sure what worse: the Kessel era when they never made the playoffs or this era with the annual choke job.

The Kessel era... we've at least got to see a lot more success, and some stunning play in the regular season... even if they lack the ability to play in the playoffs.

 

[ashs]

 

[Fogelhund]

Here is my burn it to the ground scenario.... the team doesn't make it past the first round.

Trade 1.

Matthews to LA Kings
for
Byfield
Clarke
Greentree
2025 1st

Rielly to Vancouver Canucks
for
Sherwood
2025 1st

Kampf, Domi, Jarnkrok traded away for... whatever picks we could get.

Signed as RFA
Knies 3 x $5.5 mil
Holmberg 1 x $900k

Signed as UFA
Granlund 6 x $6,000,000
Tavares 4 x $6,000,000
Provorov 6 x $7,500,000
Ehlers 6 x $7,515,850
Boeser 6 x $7,500,000
Steeves 1 x $900k
Lorentz 2 x $900k

Knies Granlund Nylander
Ehlers Byfield Boeser
McMann Tavares Cowan/Steeves/Greentree
Lorentz Laughton Sherwood
Holmberg


Provorov Carlo
McCabe Tanev
OEL Clarke
Benoit

Stolarz
Woll

The Cap hit for this is $91,122,065, so if I've underpaid anyone, we have plenty of cap room. It's radical.. .I know, but if we fail again, it's time for a change. Matthews is injured too often to be counted on, LA is a great destination for him, with attractive assets. Marner hasn't been a playoff guy, so we move on... and Rielly, well it's just time to change things up.

Greentree might not be a guy some of you know. 6'3" 216lb RW, drafted 26th OA by LA in 2024. In 64 games for the Spitfires, he has 49 goals and 119 points this year. Between him and Cowan, you've got a future top six RW there for sure... and in the future Nylander/Greentree/Cowan on the RW could be pretty strong, and the last two play with some grit.

Is this realistic... of course not, but we are just guys/gals(?) having fun talking about our team. I'm not sure the team is much better, but then, I'm tired of the same results, and these guys are about as good as I think we could get, given who I expect to make it to UFA. (Meaning I expect Bennett and Chychrun to extend with their current teams).

I posted this two months ago... I'd make some minor changes.. but not too much.

 

[A1LeafNation]

20m to bring in 2 game breakers for a game 5-6-7 contending team top 6...what do we do?

Knies _______ Nylander
Cowan Matthews _______

 

[Rare Jewel]

Treliving isn't going to blow it up anytime soon. He's just not that kind of GM. Anyone that thinks trading Matthews and/or Nylander needs to happen are just basically venting.

The easiest path to retooling is just using all that money leaving and finding other areas to improve. Removing Marner and JT will change this team a ton, and probably for the worse. But it's change.

The hardest path is getting all the players locked up to good deals, and being able to add a player or two and TRYING AGAIIIIN.

Well, if they do lose game 6 or even 7. Shouldn't Pelly be thinking "hard reset"?

It's only been two seasons from Treliving, but I've seen enough....

 

[Menzinger]

Well, if they do lose game 6 or even 7. Shouldn't Pelly be thinking "hard reset"?

It's only been two seasons from Treliving, but I've seen enough....

The team has almost no draft picks in 2025, 2026 and no 1st (and 6th) in 2027. There's nothing to be gained blowing things up until then.

The scope of the retool will come when 1-2 core guys leave in free agency this July.

Pelly is here to run business ops and doesn't have any hockey background. He's not going to interfere unless the board decides to do a full front office overhaul and gets rid of Tre as well as not extending Shanny this summer

 

[Rare Jewel]

The team has almost no draft picks in 2025, 2026 and no 1st (and 6th) in 2027. There's nothing to be gained blowing things up until then.

The scope of the retool will come when 1-2 core guys leave in free agency this July.

Would there be anything to be gained, either, though?

Also, blowing it in this case doesn't mean for draft picks, it could be moving on from Matthews for two very good players, 25 or younger.

 

[SprDaVE]

Well, if they do lose game 6 or even 7. Shouldn't Pelly be thinking "hard reset"?

It's only been two seasons from Treliving, but I've seen enough....

Anything is possible. I don't know. Nothing suggests they are gonna reset heavily like that though. A hard reset needs to happen when you start missing the playoffs and you're quite clearly not a good team. Obviously changes need to happen after zero playoff success, but not sure that's the rebuild territory, which would essentially be the hard reset.

It's possible the Leafs fall off the map next season depending what happens this off-season, and maybe that forces some much bigger changes.

 

[ACC1224]

Well, if they do lose game 6 or even 7. Shouldn't Pelly be thinking "hard reset"?

It's only been two seasons from Treliving, but I've seen enough....

They just won the division they aren’t going to do a reset.

 

[Rare Jewel]

They just won the division they aren’t going to do a reset.

Is that the banner we're after?

 

[ACC1224]

Is that the banner we're after?

No

 

[Rare Jewel]

Anything is possible. I don't know. Nothing suggests they are gonna reset heavily like that though. A hard reset needs to happen when you start missing the playoffs and you're quite clearly not a good team. Obviously changes need to happen after zero playoff success, but not sure that's the rebuild territory, which would essentially be the hard reset.

It's possible the Leafs fall off the map next season depending what happens this off-season, and maybe that forces some much bigger changes.

Well, it would be nice not to hand a top 5 pick to either Philly or Boston. That is part of the reason for dismissing BT. But at the same time, it sure feels like spinning your wheels with this lot.

The reset is just as much for off-ice as it is for on-ice, too. Any suit that Shanahan has hired (save for the scout from Dallas) would be fair game.