Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[LeafSteel]

Yeah you have to be careful with big contracts for those kind of players. I do think he could be worth it but you absolutely need to get it right. 20 ish points (on pace) last 3 seasons. Not a special teams player as far as I know. Turning 28 years old this month, so lot's of mileage left on him.

I assume he was injured for the Kings playoff run since he didn't play?

He was out with groin injury after blocking a shot.

I like the player but the money scares me, and with major to be made on Knies, Marner and Tavares, no matter what we decide on those, we still need a 2LW, a 2/3C, and a 3RHD more than a bottom 6 forward.

I think those are addressed first, and that we look at Marlies like Quillan and Steeves to round out the bottom lines.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Yeah you have to be careful with big contracts for those kind of players. I do think he could be worth it but you absolutely need to get it right. 20 ish points (on pace) last 3 seasons. Not a special teams player as far as I know. Turning 28 years old this month, so lot's of mileage left on him.

I assume he was injured for the Kings playoff run since he didn't play?

Yeah, he was injured. He also used to PK for the bolts, so maybe Berube could turn to that again.

Anything less than 2 is ok with me. Tre has always employed enforcers and I expect next year to be no different.

Lorentz - Laughton - Jeannot would be a nice 4th line. Maybe Brandon Tanev signs here as well.

On another note, the entire league should hope Bennett signs here. He'll have to clean up his act as he won't get leeway from the DOPS anymore

 

[TMLAM34]

Would love to add Jeannot, I think the most I would give him would be 2.1 (essentially replacing Jarnkrok).

 

[The Shadow]

Trade Laughton and try to upgrade that position. He’s really not that great. Zero offensive threat.

A guy like Nick Paul as a depth piece that elevates his game in the playoffs is what I would rather have (obviously Paul isn’t available but a player like that)

 

[WTFMAN99]

Trade Laughton and try to upgrade that position. He’s really not that great. Zero offensive threat.

A guy like Nick Paul as a depth piece that elevates his game in the playoffs is what I would rather have (obviously Paul isn’t available but a player like that)

You're not doing better than Laughton at 1.5M and we're unlikely to get back similar value as what we paid for him.

I thought his line against Ottawa was very good.

Rough 1st game outing.

 

[OVO16]

Yeah you have to be careful with big contracts for those kind of players. I do think he could be worth it but you absolutely need to get it right. 20 ish points (on pace) last 3 seasons. Not a special teams player as far as I know. Turning 28 years old this month, so lot's of mileage left on him.

I assume he was injured for the Kings playoff run since he didn't play?

Yeah lower body injury of some sort. He started to skate at the end there but the kings got eliminated. Kings fans really missed him

 

[TMLAM34]

Laughton at 1.5 million as someone who can play anywhere in your lineup and adds some toughness, you keep. You’re not getting a better player at that dollar figure.

 

[OVO16]

Laughton at 1.5 million as someone who can play anywhere in your lineup and adds some toughness, you keep. You’re not getting a better player at that dollar figure.

Agreed. Totally for keeping Laughton. Glad he has term left in his deal.

We need to get rid of Kampf and Reaves Salary off the books. Maybe even Jarnkrok if we can

 

[Tony Romo]

Agreed. Totally for keeping Laughton. Glad he has term left in his deal.

We need to get rid of Kampf and Reaves Salary off the books. Maybe even Jarnkrok if we can

best thing they can do is turn Robertson, Kampf, Reaves and Jarnkrok salaries into one player next year imo

 

[Kiwi]

I think keeping Knies, JT and Lorentz make a lot of sense, I know some of you aren't keen on JT but he's a PPG top 6C and those guys are hard to find, even if he drops to 70 points He's a very good 2C

The big question is does Marner stay? If not what do we do with that money?

Were going to need a firm answer by the draft at least I'd imagine so we can plan

 

[The Shadow]

Provorov? Trade Rielly somehow while you can

Mangiapange
Tavares
Bennett

Marner walks (you might be able to get both Tavares and Bennett for what Marner is asking

 

[SprDaVE]

Not necessarily Leafs related per say, but how desperate would the Oilers be about finding a competent capable goaltender?

 

[Skullz]

Let’s of fat to trim of the roster: I think we can be in good shape cap wise for next year.

Not sure where we find another center. Dvorak, Geekie, Appleton, Bjustand, Roslovic.

No one perfect, but some good players to be had.

 

[Kiwi]

Not necessarily Leafs related per say, but how desperate would the Oilers be about finding a competent capable goaltender?

Extremely is the word that jumps to mind

There's risk if we get rid of one of ours though, Imagine going to Hildeby instead of Woll

Let’s of fat to trim of the roster: I think we can be in good shape cap wise for next year.

Not sure where we find another center. Dvorak, Geekie, Appleton, Bjustand, Roslovic.

No one perfect, but some good players to be had.

I like Appleton, he's a good 3rd liner but he's a wing imo, Dvorak looked good during the playoffs, could be worth a punt for a couple of years

 

[Leaffan1991]

How much would Frederic or Geekie cost?

 

[sxvnert]

Not necessarily Leafs related per say, but how desperate would the Oilers be about finding a competent capable goaltender?

Should be a top priority but theres really no one out there to get.

 

[aingefan]

Extremely is the word that jumps to mind

There's risk if we get rid of one of ours though, Imagine going to Hildeby instead of Woll


I like Appleton, he's a good 3rd liner but he's a wing imo, Dvorak looked good during the playoffs, could be worth a punt for a couple of years

Appleton prolly prices out of TO’s range (especially if Mitch comes back) but he’d make a great third wheel on a Domi-McMann line.

 

[SprDaVE]

Should be a top priority but theres really no one out there to get.

And very little assets. I'd be very curious about O'Reilly, Cowans teammate.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Islanders look to be rebuilding. I wonder what it would take to get Pageau. He'd be the perfect 3rd line center. He's a right shot who's excellent on faceoffs, which gives us a strong side draw in the defensive zone for situational use. He's solid defensively, as evidenced by his +4 rating on an awful Islanders team. Add to that he's a gritty, hard-hitting player who can chip in some offense and is under team control for 2 more years and he's perfect. The 5 million cap hit might be a bit rich for my blood, but maybe we can get 20% retention.

 

[JadedRandom]

Just looked at capwages for next season for the Leafs and the team will have it TOUGH trying to re-sign all of Marner, Knies, and Tavares.

A projected $25M to fill 4-6 roster spots isn't so bad.

But Marner will likely cost $12M, Knies will need at least $5-8M per on either a very short or longer-term deal, and Tavares will get offers north of $7M in UFA on a 3-year deal so I don't expect he'll settle for much less.

The Leafs will have to choose between penny-pinching their depth, as they've always done before.

Or more likely giving elevated roles to players they already have, bring up Easton Cowan to give some more cheap depth to the team if he's ready, all the whilst losing one of Marner or Tavares.

 

[aingefan]

Haven’t played with the numbers for a while, but if Mitch (like an RESP) and JT (retirement buyout) shaved a mil each off their AAV with deferrals it would help the cap situation a lot and be a huge PR move for both them and the team.

 

[SprDaVE]

Just looked at capwages for next season for the Leafs and the team will have it TOUGH trying to re-sign all of Marner, Knies, and Tavares.

A projected $25M to fill 4-6 roster spots isn't so bad.

But Marner will likely cost $12M, Knies will need at least $5-8M per on either a very short or longer-term deal, and Tavares will get offers north of $7M in UFA on a 3-year deal so I don't expect he'll settle for much less.

The Leafs will have to choose between penny-pinching their depth, as they've always done before.

Or more likely giving elevated roles to players they already have, bring up Easton Cowan to give some more cheap depth to the team if he's ready, all the whilst losing one of Marner or Tavares.

It's do-able if the Leafs can get lucky in dumping some contracts and extension numbers. You also hope that the JT contract will have max deffered money, making his cap hit a good ~2M or so lower. So if we assume JT is around 5M and Marner around the Rantanen deal at 12.5M, you might have to bridge Knies at 2-3 years around 4 to 5M or so.

Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves is 5.8M, which are priority dumps if the Leafs can sign all 3 above. Leafs have their entire D core AND goaltending locked up.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Just looked at capwages for next season for the Leafs and the team will have it TOUGH trying to re-sign all of Marner, Knies, and Tavares.

A projected $25M to fill 4-6 roster spots isn't so bad.

But Marner will likely cost $12M, Knies will need at least $5-8M per on either a very short or longer-term deal, and Tavares will get offers north of $7M in UFA on a 3-year deal so I don't expect he'll settle for much less.

The Leafs will have to choose between penny-pinching their depth, as they've always done before.

Or more likely giving elevated roles to players they already have, bring up Easton Cowan to give some more cheap depth to the team if he's ready, all the whilst losing one of Marner or Tavares.

You sign Knies > Marner > JT in that order

Knies first because of the offer sheet threat

Marner because of the 8th year - need it done by a certain time or lose that option

JT...he's older and wants to play here

It's do-able if the Leafs can get lucky in dumping some contracts and extension numbers. You also hope that the JT contract will have max deffered money, making his cap hit a good ~2M or so lower. So if we assume JT is around 5M and Marner around the Rantanen deal at 12.5M, you might have to bridge Knies at 2-3 years around 4 to 5M or so.

Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves is 5.8M, which are priority dumps if the Leafs can sign all 3 above. Leafs have their entire D core AND goaltending locked up.

I would expect Kampf and Jarnkrok are likely gone.

Outside chance of Domi

I think I would do 7M x 7-8 years on Knies, it's a far more lucrative contract than Tuch got.

Marner...I would really try to sell him on deferrals...like without deferrals 12-12.5M x 8 years but I would say what about 14M but 3M deferred per year? Get it down to something like 11-11.5M to fit more pieces onto the roster.

 

[Dreakmur]

How much would Frederic or Geekie cost?

Which Geekie? Actually doesn’t matter - neither is reasonably available.

Frederic probably costs quite a bit. Over the last 3 years, he’s averaging 15 goals as a 3rd liner. That alone probably gets him 3.5+. Add in the toughness and ability to play center and don’t be shocked if he gets over 5 million.

 

[4thline]

Banging this drum again- If we're brining back all of Knies/Marner/JT and rolling bare bones the smart move is shipping out Domi before Jarncrok. Say 1.5 to Lorentz, that's 5.1 for a bottom 6 line that has the coaches trust in the playoffs, absorbs hard minutes, sets the tone and identity of the bottom 6. Domi has come through in a couple clutch moments, but a 3.75 million dollar sheltered 4C /PP2 guy is a luxury in a barebones budget bottom 6, versatile defensively dependable vets are a necessity.

Not to mention the math of it. Dumping Jarncrok frees up somewhere in the 1-1.3million dollar range- there's going to be a body in that roster spot making 800k 1.1m. If that 1 - 1.3 million is all we need, dumbing Domi instead means that his replacement can make 2.45-2.75. That will make for a deeper bottom 6

Knies-Matthews-Marner
xxx-Tavares-Nylander
Lorentz-Laughton-Jarncrok
xxx-xxx-xxx

McMann, Holmberg, Robertson, Cowan, Quillan, maybe Patches back, maybe another PTO or reclamation type to battle for the xxx's