Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Tony Romo]

Yeah, if Rielly were to have a poor post season showing he might also be out.

I'd certainly have interest in Clarke too.

Korczak's price is likely the most reasonable of the external options.

Yeah, don't think we have anything to offer for Clarke unless it's some Marner S&T.

Korczak would be very interesting. Getting someone young that OEL can mold and play with would be nice.

It's nice to go into the offseason with only really needing a #6 Dman

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yeah, don't think we have anything to offer for Clarke unless it's some Marner S&T.

Korczak would be very interesting. Getting someone young that OEL can mold and play with would be nice.

It's nice to go into the offseason with only really needing a #6 Dman

Mentally I am here;

McCabe-Tanev
X-Carlo
OEL-X
Myers

Rielly and Benoit gone...

I'm not a big Rielly guy, he's not dynamic enough for me.

 

[Tony Romo]

Mentally I am here;

McCabe-Tanev
X-Carlo
OEL-X
Myers

Rielly and Benoit gone...

I'm not a big Rielly guy, he's not dynamic enough for me.

Oh we are on the same page, I would've gotten rid of him a couple years ago. They wouldn't have done it, but I would've offered him+ for JT Miller this season.

 

[ACC1224]

Dude, the Leafs went to him and asked if he was interested. Pretty sure if he said he was okay with it, they would've traded him. They don't approach the question at all unless they are willing to do it.

They were approached, they didn't try and trade him, they checked on his intentions and yes if he said he wanted to go they would have traded him. None of that means they want it to happen.
He's also, to my knowledge, never said he's going to July 1st, just that they'll deal with it after the season is over.

That was a Kypreos rumour.... it really depends on whether you believe that or not.

On the other hand, Friedman said the following...

The Hurricanes had wanted Mitch Marner, the Leafs did NOT offer him. The Leafs had went to Marner and said that their priority was to sign him but Carolina was calling about him.

Marner was not willing to waive his trade clause because he wants to remain with the Maple Leafs.

 

[Jozay]

That was a Kypreos rumour.... it really depends on whether you believe that or not.

On the other hand, Friedman said the following...

The Hurricanes had wanted Mitch Marner, the Leafs did NOT offer him. The Leafs had went to Marner and said that their priority was to sign him but Carolina was calling about him.

Marner was not willing to waive his trade clause because he wants to remain with the Maple Leafs.

I mean Friedman didn’t dispute Kypreos’ claim in 32 thoughts.

Sources: Hurricanes asked for Maple Leafs' Marner in Rantanen deal

Post-deadline, there are always stories seeping out … some things that don’t happen, some that did. One that continues to evolve is what happened before Mikko Rantanen was traded from Carolina to Dallas.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Tony Romo]

They were approached, they didn't try and trade him, they checked on his intentions and yes if he said he wanted to go they would have traded him. None of that means they want it to happen.
He's also, to my knowledge, never said he's going to July 1st, just that they'll deal with it after the season is over.

.. So they went to check on his intentions, if he said Yes. They would've traded him... but they didn't try? If they didn't try, why ask him?

 

[aingefan]

July 1st is very likely to be a whirlwind this year.
There’s not much top end talent. The whole FA pool is pretty thin.
There’s more money going around for all the teams.
Add that up, and rip guys are likely to get more than you’d expect and faster than you’d expect.
It’s pretty likely that top line options will have pretty much dried up by July 2nd.

 

[ACC1224]

.. So they went to check on his intentions, if he said Yes. They would've traded him... but they didn't try? If they didn't try, why ask him?

To see what his intentions were, it's not complicated.

 

[Tony Romo]

To see what his intentions were, it's not complicated.

... they went and asked if he would waive his NTC, they clearly tried. As you said, it's not complicated.

 

[ACC1224]

... they went and asked if he would waive his NTC, they clearly tried. As you said, it's not complicated.

Your belief is the Leafs instigated this whole thing? Why not gauge interest around the league then? Why not just move him when they had chance like they tried to with Nylander?

 

[Tony Romo]

Your belief is the Leafs instigated this whole thing? Why not gauge interest around the league then? Why not just move him when they had chance like they tried to with Nylander?

I never said the Leafs instigated the whole thing. You said the Leafs didn't try. Going to him and asking him if he would waive his NTC and/or had interest in going to Carolina and probably would've if he said yes, is indeed trying to trade him when presented with the offer.

 

[Tak7]

Your belief is the Leafs instigated this whole thing? Why not gauge interest around the league then? Why not just move him when they had chance like they tried to with Nylander?

The Leafs want to keep Marner.

Despite Nylander being much more mild-mannered and his camp fire quieter than the Marner one, the Nylander peddling by the Leafs before he signed an extension got out and was everywhere. We even know the Leafs were hunting for the best Dman available in any potential return.

So it stands to reason that the reason the Leafs didn't do the same with Marner, was because not only did they know the Marner camp has the full NMC, but there was a 100% guarantee that any peddling/whispering/quiet trade talks trying to gauge the league's interest in Marner, would have gotten out and made it's way back to Team Marner.

And at that point, knowing how they take so much of this quite personally, any extension possibility is likely right off the table.

My read of the trade deadline situation with Rantanen is that the calculus for the Leafs has changed - they are far more desperate now, knowing they aren't going to get him resigned. There really isn't any "need" to gauge the player's interest in a trade. You either like the deal enough that you present it to the player to get a deal done, or you're confident that the player is going to sign / say no, that you simply don't even take it to him.

By not only taking it to him, but by going public with it for no apparent reason, I think was the nuclear option to put all the pressure and focus away from the organization as they gear up for the fact that one of their most high profile players is about to walk for nothing.

 

[ACC1224]

I never said the Leafs instigated the whole thing. You said the Leafs didn't try. Going to him and asking him if he would waive his NTC and/or had interest in going to Carolina and probably would've if he said yes, is indeed trying to trade him when presented with the offer.

Sure, if his intention is to leave they would try to make the best of a bad situation. That isn't trying to trade someone.

 

[ACC1224]

The Leafs want to keep Marner.

Despite Nylander being much more mild-mannered and his camp fire quieter than the Marner one, the Nylander peddling by the Leafs before he signed an extension got out and was everywhere. We even know the Leafs were hunting for the best Dman available in any potential return.

So it stands to reason that the reason the Leafs didn't do the same with Marner, was because not only did they know the Marner camp has the full NMC, but there was a 100% guarantee that any peddling/whispering/quiet trade talks trying to gauge the league's interest in Marner, would have gotten out and made it's way back to Team Marner.

And at that point, knowing how they take so much of this quite personally, any extension possibility is likely right off the table.

My read of the trade deadline situation with Rantanen is that the calculus for the Leafs has changed - they are far more desperate now, knowing they aren't going to get him resigned. There really isn't any "need" to gauge the player's interest in a trade. You either like the deal enough that you present it to the player to get a deal done, or you're confident that the player is going to sign / say no, that you simply don't even take it to him.

By not only taking it to him, but by going public with it for no apparent reason, I think was the nuclear option to put all the pressure and focus away from the organization as they gear up for the fact that one of their most high profile players is about to walk for nothing.

Yep, it always thought it was a negotiating ploy. They knew he wouldn't accept the move.
I still have no doubt he'll be back, it's what they both want.

 

[LeafParade]

Could we do do 2 big 1 year deals for JT and Duchene? like 5.5-7M range ? Ideally buy time and go for McDavid.

Can Dallas not offer him a similar deal? I imagine Duchene is not going to take any more one year discount deals.

 

[LeafSteel]

Yeah, don't think we have anything to offer for Clarke unless it's some Marner S&T.

Korczak would be very interesting. Getting someone young that OEL can mold and play with would be nice.

It's nice to go into the offseason with only really needing a #6 Dman

I still think we need a 3C with 2C potential, along with 3RHD.

All in on move for Korczak for 3RHD with upside.

For 2/3C, all in on UFA Ryan Donato or Krebs from Buffalo. Was watching Krebs closely last night and still really like his game.

Along with Quillan making the jump, would love to see our Center’s next year as:

Matthews
Tavares
Donato/Krebs
Quillan

Move on from Kampf etc

Knies-Matthews-Marner (gentle resign please)
Domi-Tavares-Nylander
McMann—Donato/Krebs-Robertson
Lorentz-Quillan/Homberg-Cowan/Steeves/UFA Tanev

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
OEL-Korczak
Benoit-Myers

 

[Fogelhund]

I mean Friedman didn’t dispute Kypreos’ claim in 32 thoughts.

Sources: Hurricanes asked for Maple Leafs' Marner in Rantanen deal

Post-deadline, there are always stories seeping out … some things that don’t happen, some that did. One that continues to evolve is what happened before Mikko Rantanen was traded from Carolina to Dallas.

www.sportsnet.ca

Does Friedman normally dispute other media personalities claims?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Can Dallas not offer him a similar deal? I imagine Duchene is not going to take any more one year discount deals.

I feel like they'll want to bring back Jamie Benn at a discounted rate but Duchene feels like a luxury they won't be able to afford.

Dumba is a guy they'll need to get away from by trade or buy out, a bottom feeder will likely help them for a sweetener.

 

[Fogelhund]

I still think we need a 3C with 2C potential, along with 3RHD.

All in on move for Korczak for 3RHD with upside.

For 2/3C, all in on UFA Ryan Donato or Krebs from Buffalo. Was watching Krebs closely last night and still really like his game.

Along with Quillan making the jump, would love to see our Center’s next year as:

Matthews
Tavares
Donato/Krebs
Quillan

Move on from Kampf etc

Knies-Matthews-Marner (gentle resign please)
Domi-Tavares-Nylander
McMann—Donato/Krebs-Robertson
Lorentz-Quillan/Homberg-Cowan/Steeves/UFA Tanev

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
OEL-Korczak
Benoit-Myers

I'm with you on Krebs... he has 9 points in his last 12 games... like I said before the deadline, he's a real C, and I think there is more there. He would have cost a 3rd, maybe a 4th to pick up... but he doesn't have a big brand name, so we didn't go hunting for him... I'm still interested though.

I'm not sure Quillan is ready, but it's cheap enough to extend Holmberg in case he isn't. Youve missed Laughton in your lineup, for better or worse, he's ours. I'm with you on moving Kampf, Jarnkrork,

The rest of the lineup for me.. is wait and see until after the playoffs, and whether we have success or not.

 

[aingefan]

I'm with you on Krebs... he has 9 points in his last 12 games... like I said before the deadline, he's a real C, and I think there is more there. He would have cost a 3rd, maybe a 4th to pick up... but he doesn't have a big brand name, so we didn't go hunting for him... I'm still interested though.

I'm not sure Quillan is ready, but it's cheap enough to extend Holmberg in case he isn't. Youve missed Laughton in your lineup, for better or worse, he's ours. I'm with you on moving Kampf, Jarnkrork,

The rest of the lineup for me.. is wait and see until after the playoffs, and whether we have success or not.

Might be best for Quillan.
He can easily be first man up at C or LW, both of where I think he can play, and continue to develop. Optimally with better offensive linemates out of the chute.
I’m down with Krebs too.
I think that FLA 2nd might be in play for a roster add, if not flipped for a 26 second for deadline play.

 

[Skullz]

If Marner walks, I’d take a look at Ehlers. Would provide a lot of offence - although probably would be too expensive.

I think we need to add a puck-mover on defence.

 

[Kiwi]

Could we do do 2 big 1 year deals for JT and Duchene? like 5.5-7M range ? Ideally buy time and go for McDavid.

I'm not sure, didn't JT want 7M over 3 years anyway?

 

[The Shadow]

Still thinking Toews is worth staying in touch with. He has more in the tank as a 3rd line Center

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'm not sure, didn't JT want 7M over 3 years anyway?

He can ask, personally wouldn't entertain it at all.

7M 1 year
6M 2 year
5M or less for 3 years, he's 34 and every year with his skating is a gamble as to when he just falls off.

I guess a lot more would depend on how the playoff goes for the team collectively and him individually.

Priority would be

Knies
Marner
JT

Eliminate the offer sheet threat
Get to Marner while you can offer 8 years
JT isn't getting max term and doesn't want to play elsewhere, see what we have left to pay him.

Still thinking Toews is worth staying in touch with. He has more in the tank as a 3rd line Center

That is a PTO and maybe a 4th line centre discussion but expecting more than that isn't wise.

 

[Kiwi]

He can ask, personally wouldn't entertain it at all.

7M 1 year
6M 2 year
5M or less for 3 years, he's 34 and every year with his skating is a gamble as to when he just falls off.

I guess a lot more would depend on how the playoff goes for the team collectively and him individually.

Priority would be

Knies
Marner
JT

Eliminate the offer sheet threat
Get to Marner while you can offer 8 years
JT isn't getting max term and doesn't want to play elsewhere, see what we have left to pay him.



That is a PTO and maybe a 4th line centre discussion but expecting more than that isn't wise.

He's still a PPG center, somebody is going to give him to much money and term imo
Our problem is if he walks we don't have a replacement for him

I'd offer Marner 13×8, but on July 1st I'm spending that money, I wouldn't want him leaving and all the good UFA'S go as well so I have 13M in cap space with nothing to spend it on