Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Legion34]

If they want to pay Mitch freaking Marner 15 million dollars per season then no one on here should worry about him going elsewhere, not even the fanboys.

Why wouldn’t you recoup the asset?

If Marner wants 14x8 and a team can only give him 7. Then why wouldn’t we trade him for something. Even if it’s like two 2nds.

Better than nothing.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Why wouldn’t you recoup the asset?

If Marner wants 14x8 and a team can only give him 7. Then why wouldn’t we trade him for something. Even if it’s like two 2nds.

Better than nothing.

You're misunderstanding me, I'm just saying that any team paying Mitch Marner 14x8 is making a mistake, but as long as it's not us I'd facilitate anything.

 

[Legion34]

You're misunderstanding me, I'm just saying that any team paying Mitch Marner 14x8 is making a mistake, but as long as it's not us I'd facilitate anything.

Yes absolutely. I hate losing him for nothing. If he goes for nothing and we lost out on rantanen it’s a nightmare.

What I don’t understand is how much people are getting paid.

So many teams have like 30 million in cap space. Who is out there to spend on?

Mitch. JT. Duchene. Benn. Kane. Boeser. Ekblad. Ehlers.

Who else?

I think Teams won’t spen to the capn

 

[WTFMAN99]

My early tinkering of the lineup leading up to the draft and before July 1st. No idea how close these are but it feels close to what I feel is decent

• Kampf and Jarnkrok to Anaheim for our own 3rd round pick. -- Almost 40M of cap space means they can get a couple expensive depth pieces to upgrade their PK and bottom line depth for the new coach. Leafs clear cap. I'd take any pick to be honest.
• Woll to Columbus for Merzlikins at 50%, Luca Del Bel Belluz and Corson Ceulemans -- Columbus gets a big upgrade in net, dump Merz in the process. LDDB is a good center prospect with NHL games already under his belt but the Jackets are loaded upfront. Ceulemans probably needs a fresh start soon, pretty meh prospect. Maybe a pick instead of Ceulemans, I dunno.
• Robertson to Dallas for Marchment. Pretty straight forward. Leafs get a winger upgrade only signed for the year. Dallas gets a cheaper player with potential. Also a cool story with his brother on the same team. Probably a pick involved from the Leafs.

Depth going into July 1st becomes --

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Marchment - xxx (JT?) - Domi
McMann - Laughton - xxx
xxx - xxx - xxx
Young players in the mix -- Cowan, LDDB, Quillan. Any player signed bumps players down.

Same D. Stolarz and Merz goaltenders.

That is a nice idea with CBJ, I was looking at Voronkov and Sillinger in a Woll deal.

Luca Del Bel Belluz is a skilled centre option though, if that was actually the deal, maybe break him in on the 3rd line now? He's had a pro AHL year season under his belt already.

I'd look at Ehlers to play with Matthews.

Domi...ideally gone...

Knies-Matthews-Ehlers
Marchment-Donato/Granlund-88
McMann-DBB-Cowan
Laughton-X (Quillan? Toews?)-X

I'd say the 4th line winger needs to be able to PK

I'd lean Granlund over Donato.

 

[rumman]

Here’s a question, can Marner stop the Leafs from trading his rights because of his NMC?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Here’s a question, can Marner stop the Leafs from trading his rights because of his NMC?

He can and he will.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Nylander is my big question

Cant be paired with JT. Center market is crap, JT prob takes a discount....means we prob keep JT. In a world where JT makes 4.5m can he be a 3c? Do we need speed from that line?

Nylander is amazing when he tries. Can we pair him with two guys that hold him to account and compliment him better? If not Im ok trading him but need a great return.

We dont have a lot of assets to trade with. There are a couple UFA's Id like to spend Marner's money on.

Woll, Reilly, Nylander, Robertson, prospects.....could be interesting trade bait.

 

[Menzinger]

Nylander is my big question

Cant be paired with JT. Center market is crap, JT prob takes a discount....means we prob keep JT. In a world where JT makes 4.5m can he be a 3c? Do we need speed from that line?

Nylander is amazing when he tries. Can we pair him with two guys that hold him to account and compliment him better? If not Im ok trading him but need a great return.

We dont have a lot of assets to trade with. There are a couple UFA's Id like to spend Marner's money on.

Woll, Reilly, Nylander, Robertson, prospects.....could be interesting trade bait.

Though he also has an NMC and just signed that deal. May not have interest in leaving.

 

[Menzinger]

He's good defensively and good on faceoffs and the PK.

The extra 500- 700k he's overpaid isn't a real issue now that there shouldn't be such a glut of money tied up at the top.

Berube doesn't have much interest in playing him though. Has been healthy scratched more than any other time in his career. I'll be shocked if he's still around after the sumer

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nylander is my big question

Cant be paired with JT. Center market is crap, JT prob takes a discount....means we prob keep JT. In a world where JT makes 4.5m can he be a 3c? Do we need speed from that line?

Nylander is amazing when he tries. Can we pair him with two guys that hold him to account and compliment him better? If not Im ok trading him but need a great return.

We dont have a lot of assets to trade with. There are a couple UFA's Id like to spend Marner's money on.

Woll, Reilly, Nylander, Robertson, prospects.....could be interesting trade bait.

JT and 88 are 2 good players and do well because of that...not because of any chemistry.

I'd say Granlund or Donato would work better with Nylander, pass first guys.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Knies Matthew
Tavares Nylander

Is still not enough change for me. C position is weak in free agency. Nylander being the next one makes sense with that in mind, but Tavares is the next one Id want to move on from if we can find another 2c.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Berube doesn't have much interest in playing him though. Has been healthy scratched more than any other time in his career. I'll be shocked if he's still around after the sumer

I don't have much interest in him being the coach, but hey...

But I wouldn't deny you guys are likely right, especially if the management stays intact. But I think it's rather a small issue now, with likely not as much money tied up in 4 or 5 guys.

 

[WTFMAN99]

That is a nice idea with CBJ, I was looking at Voronkov and Sillinger in a Woll deal.

Luca Del Bel Belluz is a skilled centre option though, if that was actually the deal, maybe break him in on the 3rd line now? He's had a pro AHL year season under his belt already.

I'd look at Ehlers to play with Matthews.

Domi...ideally gone...

Knies-Matthews-Ehlers
Marchment-Donato/Granlund-88
McMann-DBB-Cowan
Laughton-X (Quillan? Toews?)-X

I'd say the 4th line winger needs to be able to PK

I'd lean Granlund over Donato.

@SprDaVE

I kind of went into it again with the Armchair GM thing, Toews/Quillan/? as the 4C is something I could see. We seem to always attract a guy like Patches...Lorentz...Spezza...

Trade 1 - I probably got too much back in that CBJ/TOR deal...might need to add another asset going to CBJ

Trade 2 - Self explanatory, Kampf played his best with Keefe, their 3C and 4C are needing to be filled

Trade 3 - Leafs get some size and a pick, Preds get an original in Jarnkrok and Domi...well, I hope they take Domi.

Trade 4 - Leafs lose this in pure value. I have no idea how/where to trade Rielly

Trade 5 - Sell high on Benoit, move OEL back over, get room for a better PP QB in Tony DeAngelo...there is literally nothing else in UFA that can provide offense from the point.

Trade 6 - I used the Jake Guentzel trade from Carolina to Tampa as the basis for this, they got a 3rd for Guentzel's signing rights.

Won some trades, lost some which really...that's kind of the NHL isn't it? No one wins every trade.

 

[SprDaVE]

That is a nice idea with CBJ, I was looking at Voronkov and Sillinger in a Woll deal.

Luca Del Bel Belluz is a skilled centre option though, if that was actually the deal, maybe break him in on the 3rd line now? He's had a pro AHL year season under his belt already.

I'd look at Ehlers to play with Matthews.

Domi...ideally gone...

Knies-Matthews-Ehlers
Marchment-Donato/Granlund-88
McMann-DBB-Cowan
Laughton-X (Quillan? Toews?)-X

I'd say the 4th line winger needs to be able to PK

I'd lean Granlund over Donato.

There's zero way they trade Voronkov after a 45 point season. He's huge too. Sillinger seems like also a stretch to get. LDBB would be stuck behind some good forward talent and I feel like he'd be attainable based on everything. His skating is probably the biggest question mark. I'm not a huge fan of trading Woll for this but Merz at 50% makes it ok, and then you make Stolarz the #1 moving forward. I'd probably want Marrelli over Ceulemans at this rate -- he's Danfords Junior teammate and might have a little more potential... but whatever decent asset would work.

I'd have a ton of interest in Ehlers but the price tag would be my biggest worry. If he's 7M at most, I think it's good. I'd keep Domi with Marner leaving and have him be on the #1 PP for his playmaking.

 

[WTFMAN99]

There's zero way they trade Voronkov after a 45 point season. He's huge too. Sillinger seems like also a stretch to get. LDBB would be stuck behind some good forward talent and I feel like he'd be attainable based on everything. I'm not a huge fan of trading Woll for this but Merz at 50% makes it ok, and then you make Stolarz the #1 moving forward. I'd probably want Marrelli over Ceulemans at this rate -- he's Danfords Junior teammate and might have a little more potential... but whatever decent asset would work.

I'd have a ton of interest in Ehlers but the price tag would be my biggest worry. If he's ~7M at most, I think it's good. I'd keep Domi with Marner leaving and have him be on the #1 PP for his playmaking.

I think the cap jump is going to result in Ehlers around 8M

He's got pt/game around 17 minutes a night.

Also felt weird having 7M in cap space in that specific scenario, opted for demoting Cowan for some seasoning and Andrew Mangiapane is a Leaf

Knies-Matthews-Ehlers
Chinakov-Granlund-88
Copp-DBB-Mangiapane
Laughton-Toews/Quillan-McCarron

McCarron had some pretty respectable pk stats for Nashville.

 

[djdev]

bring in toews as a 3rd line center, put JT on his wing. no way jonathan toews puts up with whatever feel sorry for themselves attitude this team plays with.

 

[SprDaVE]

@SprDaVE

I kind of went into it again with the Armchair GM thing, Toews/Quillan/? as the 4C is something I could see. We seem to always attract a guy like Patches...Lorentz...Spezza...

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Trade 1 - I probably got too much back in that CBJ/TOR deal...might need to add another asset going to CBJ

Trade 2 - Self explanatory, Kampf played his best with Keefe, their 3C and 4C are needing to be filled

Trade 3 - Leafs get some size and a pick, Preds get an original in Jarnkrok and Domi...well, I hope they take Domi.

Trade 4 - Leafs lose this in pure value. I have no idea how/where to trade Rielly

Trade 5 - Sell high on Benoit, move OEL back over, get room for a better PP QB in Tony DeAngelo...there is literally nothing else in UFA that can provide offense from the point.

Trade 6 - I used the Jake Guentzel trade from Carolina to Tampa as the basis for this, they got a 3rd for Guentzel's signing rights.

Won some trades, lost some which really...that's kind of the NHL isn't it? No one wins every trade.

I think the cap jump is going to result in Ehlers around 8M

He's got pt/game around 17 minutes a night.

Also felt weird having 7M in cap space in that specific scenario, opted for demoting Cowan for some seasoning and Andrew Mangiapane is a Leaf

Knies-Matthews-Ehlers
Chinakov-Granlund-88
Copp-DBB-Mangiapane
Laughton-Toews/Quillan-McCarron

McCarron had some pretty respectable pk stats for Nashville.

I like the changes for the most part but I don't think we'll see 9 different forwards and a gazillion trades. Not even the most insane aggressive GMs/teams do that unless they are fire selling for a rebuild.

Clear the bad depth out asap, take almost anything that doesn't bring back cap, look at adding one or two upgrades in the forward ranks via trade in whatever capacity and look at free agency to get a really good forward upgrade or two and then efficient depth pieces that can hopefully do well.

They cannot go into next season with deadweight players in their depth that can't create energy or have some awful negative shot attempt ratio. So many games this past season were atrociously carried by goaltending or super production by the top 6.

 

[uncleben]

Here's an update on where Laughton stacks up on the deadline forwards

 

[SprDaVE]

Here's an update on where Laughton stacks up on the deadline forwards

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At least he'll have another season to continue what I felt like was a strong post season. Definitely need more from him though. He's been a consistent 40 point producer and I think the Leafs need to find a way to use him better.

Hopefully the influx of cash and the wave of change can bring in much better depth to help out the bottom lines do better. Our 3rd and 4th line were awful for much of the season.

 

[uncleben]

At least he'll have another season to continue what I felt like was a strong post season. Definitely need more from him though. He's been a consistent 40 point producer and I think the Leafs need to find a way to use him better.

Hopefully the influx of cash and the wave of change can bring in much better depth to help out the bottom lines do better. Our 3rd and 4th line were awful for much of the season.

Playoffs were stronger, but we do need more of his Philly form in the regular season, than what we got here. Chalk it up as an adjustment period and hope he can take a heavier load at C next year.

 

[GQS]

I also think fans are going to be reminded very early on when Marner is gone how hard it is to get talent on your roster, how painful it is to acquire talent.

Leafs are damned if they do and damned if they don't with Marner. If you let him walk, you're letting a star talent walk away from your team for nothing. On the otherhand do the Leafs want to sign Marner to a large long term contract and be locked in with him for the next 6-8 years or something and be stuck with him when he hasn't produced any amazing performances in the playoffs?

The only possible outcomes that makes even a little sense if Brad and Leafs management really want to bring Marner back is either signing him to a one or two year contract so that you can still run it back, but walk away if it doesn't work or sign him to a long term contract with a decent not crazy raise however with ZERO trade protection for at least the first 3 years of that contract.

That way Marner gets his contract and gets to stay and the Leafs have the flexibility to trade him and not be locked in with him long term if the team decides it isn't working out and wants to move him for the best possible value they can get for him. If Marner wants the money, the term AND the trade protection, then 100% let him walk because its not worth it for the Leafs.

 

[hockeywiz542]

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[ThrowDemTongs]

He can and he will.

I hate it here

 

[ashs]

Core 4 egos destroyed this team. Rather than focusing on themselves working together they only cared about money. They dont even care about the fans.

 

[Dreakmur]

Core 4 egos destroyed this team. Rather than focusing on themselves working together they only cared about money. They dont even care about the fans.

Both Tavares and Rielly took pretty reasonable contracts, and they both seem pretty humble. I wouldn’t include either of them.