Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Boeser might be interesting. Pure goal scorer and shoots right, which would be ideal to replace our outgoing right-shot RW in Mitch. Good playoff numbers too.

 

[LeafEgo]

Gotta wonder what Matty would be worth these days around the league.

Best case might be an Eichel scenario, where you have a fix plan with doctors telling you it's straightforward and odds are pretty good you get your player back - that ended up being Tuch and Krebs more or less.

Without the details and all the mystery you're wondering how much worse it might be, and then to what extent is this return discounted?

Certainly not giving up Byfields, Clarkes, and Fialas if it's all just question marks.

 

[TMLAM34]

I want to see this team get younger, faster and produce more offensively from our blueline.

I would let Marner walk, if you can sign and trade and acquire any prospect or draft pick even better.

I would open discussions with JT, if he’s willing to sign for 5 million per, I would re-sign him as the UFA pool for centre’s is pretty weak.

Bowen Byram would be a target of mine. Yes I know he’s a lefty but he can play the right side and if paired with McCabe the two can switch sides whenever needed. Joseph Woll is probably who would be heading to Buffalo along with a couple more assets. Would hate to split Stolarz - Woll but we’re very limited in assets that can actually help acquire other pieces that will contribute.

I would target Lafreniere, would love to see the Leafs go after someone younger who isn’t living up the expectations and help turn them around. The Rangers left D is surprisingly weak, maybe Rielly and Cowan are apart of this deal.

A little torn on Domi, but I wouldn’t be upset to see a deal with Vancouver where Domi and Benoit are headed there for Garland.

From the UFA pool I would sign Provorov, Dvorak, Raddysh, Brazeau and Vladar.

My lineup would be -


Knies(7.5) - Matthews(13.25) - Nylander(11.5)
Lafreniere(7.45) - Tavares(5) - Garland(4.95)
McMann(1.35) - Dvorak(3) - Raddysh(2.75)
Lorentz(1.25) - Laughton(1.5) - Brazeau(1.25)

McCabe(4.51) - Byram(5)
Provorov(6.5) - Tanev(4.5)
Ekman Larsson(3.5) - Carlo(3.49)
Myers(0.85)

Stolarz(2.5) - Vladar(2.5)

Salary Cap: 94.1

 

[hockeywiz542]

Will the Maple Leafs’ roster purge stop at only Mitch Marner?

Burning questions facing every NHL team eliminated in Round 2.

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1. Will the Toronto Maple Leafs’ roster purge stop at only Mitch Marner?

Time’s up after nine years. When a team shows you who they are, be-leaf them. It seems to be a foregone conclusion that Marner will be moving on this summer – seemingly equal parts on his own volition as free agent and in the interest of change. That means priority No. 1 should be sorting out the next deal for Matthew Knies. After that, how deep should the cuts be? Marner is far from alone in his playoff shortcomings, but he will bear the brunt on his way out the door. What about Morgan Rielly? He was exposed for his lack of foot speed big time these playoffs, plus that contract will only age poorly. Should John Tavares still be retained on the cheap? And what about Auston Matthews?

It’s an interesting thought exercise. The captain has 26 goals in 68 career postseason games; three of those games were two-goal games, so he has scored in 23 of 68 playoff contests as a Leaf. His scoring is nearly cut in half, from 0.64 goals per game in the regular season to 0.38 in the postseason. Here’s the thing: It’s not just the lack of postseason success for Matthews, but also his chronic injuries. If it truly is a recurring back injury for Matthews, as has been whispered, how many of those injuries actually get better over time? There’s a million reasons why they should keep him. He’s a straight up assassin when healthy, one of the most difficult players in the league to replace. But he hasn’t looked like a threat in a while. It’s admittedly very unlikely that Toronto would move on from Matthews – and his no-trade clause would limit their control – but how many questions or thought exercises should be totally off the table for this Toronto team?

 

[Torontonian]

Bennett making over 8M is pretty insane and could very well be in line to beat Clarksons contract from years ago. But that's what it would take for sure. Domi is just gone magically as well. And there's no way you get Crouse at 50% for a bunch of crap.

Fabbro would be a sneaky good pick-up. But I think the problem with the D core here is largely the same... we need more firepower. Not easily fixed though so perhaps you double down on good defensive players.

Signing and building your team in free agency is going to be one of the worst things this team can do, Unfortunately unless they are trading Cowan + Danford and future picks, it's the only solution.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Quick hits....Marner is gone right? Not much debate?

Probably gone...JT...a lot of guys run from this city but he runs towards it but his lack of foot speed became obvious as the series went on and he's too similar to Matthews and Nylander. It would take a gargantuan pay cut for him to return.

Rielly and Domi? I would like to move on from Rielly...also Domi.

Jarnkrok, Kampf and Robertson also seem like guys that are gone.

Leaving...Woll and maybe McMann as conversation pieces.

McMann is probably appealing in very specific scenarios such as a team having a better more expensive player but getting squeezed on the cap and want a guy back to replace some of the offense cheaper.

Woll I am a bit concerned about trading because Stolarz only has a year left, the tandem was a reason we won the division but he could maybe return back a piece we need.

Only other guy if you want to dig further is maybe Benoit is a guy you would be able to sell high on.

 

[SprDaVE]

Signing and building your team in free agency is going to be one of the worst things this team can do, Unfortunately unless they are trading Cowan + Danford and future picks, it's the only solution.

I dunno if it can only be Cowan and Danford to be traded, but anytime to you target a top player from another it will take some good pieces and the Leafs are definitely depleted in good available assets.

But this team already has most of it's pieces locked up or in the case of Knies, RFA. If Marner does walk, and it's almost a sure thing now, I think they have enough money to bring in a few players of varying quality to fill different roles. They just have to be smart and also cautious of who they target but it's not like they need 50M to sign over 10 players here.

People want to dismantle the team and almost every player not named Knies and Nylander, which is not going to happen. For my money, Knies, Matthews, Nylander, Laughton, Domi, Holmberg and McMann are 99% back. JT and Lorentz are at 50/50 depending on ask/money. Jarnkrok will probably stick around since he's OK, cheap enough and has little value to be traded. Robertson, Kampf and Reaves should be 100% gone.

 

[Apex Predator]

The leafs need to find a second line center and move Tavares to third line(assuming he comes back cheap. He can’t be the second line center). I’m assuming Matthews and Nylander will be back, not against the idea of looking at options of trading them. Everyone else is good to go. I kept Domi in this scenario that Matthews and Nylander stick around.

Knies Matthews Domi
? ? Nylander
? Tavares ?
? Laughton ?

offensive pick moving man Carlo
McCabe Tanev
OEL Benoit or someone else

Stolarz
Woll

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Kampf and Jarnkrok have to be outta here. Don’t care for what just get them off of this roster.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Quick hits....Marner is gone right? Not much debate?

Probably gone...JT...a lot of guys run from this city but he runs towards it but his lack of foot speed became obvious as the series went on and he's too similar to Matthews and Nylander. It would take a gargantuan pay cut for him to return.

Rielly and Domi? I would like to move on from Rielly...also Domi.

Jarnkrok, Kampf and Robertson also seem like guys that are gone.

Leaving...Woll and maybe McMann as conversation pieces.

McMann is probably appealing in very specific scenarios such as a team having a better more expensive player but getting squeezed on the cap and want a guy back to replace some of the offense cheaper.

Woll I am a bit concerned about trading because Stolarz only has a year left, the tandem was a reason we won the division but he could maybe return back a piece we need.

Only other guy if you want to dig further is maybe Benoit is a guy you would be able to sell high on.

Kampf and Jarkrok are small beans; they're actually decent bottom 6ers

Rielly and Domi, I agree with. With Mo, it's just time to move on, unfortunately, really like him as a guy. Domi is an idiot whom I would take to the airport. Possible buyout, honestly.

Guys, like Robertson, McMann, and even Holmberg, you should look to do small deals that pay off big. Won't hit on all of them, but got to try.

Woll, I've got no idea. Athletically so talented, but in terms of demeanour, I don't know if he's got it. I'd see what's out there for him.

 

[SprDaVE]

Kampf and Jarkrok are small beans; they're actually decent bottom 6ers

Rielly and Domi, I agree with. With Mo, it's just time to move on, unfortunately, really like him as a guy. Domi is an idiot whom I would take to the airport. Possible buyout, honestly.

Guys, like Robertson, McMann, and even Holmberg, should you look to do a small deals that pays off big. Won't hit on all of them, but got to try.

Well, I've got no idea. Athletically so talented, but in terms of demeanour, I don't know if he's got it. I'd see what's out there for him.

Kampf might be decent if he was making near league minimum. But he makes 2.4M for a 4th line center that doesn't really offer physicality or any intangibles. He's just a cardio merchant that kills penalties. He couldn't even get into the lineup in the playoffs. He needs to be punted ASAP.

Jarnkrok offers a bit more for cheaper, but he needs to be dumped too.

 

[Menzinger]

I dunno if it can only be Cowan and Danford to be traded, but anytime to you target a top player from another it will take some good pieces and the Leafs are definitely depleted in good available assets.

But this team already has most of it's pieces locked up or in the case of Knies, RFA. If Marner does walk, and it's almost a sure thing now, I think they have enough money to bring in a few players of varying quality to fill different roles. They just have to be smart and also cautious of who they target but it's not like they need 50M to sign over 10 players here.

People want to dismantle the team and almost every player not named Knies and Nylander, which is not going to happen. For my money, Knies, Matthews, Nylander, Laughton, Domi, Holmberg and McMann are 99% back. JT and Lorentz are at 50/50 depending on ask/money. Jarnkrok will probably stick around since he's OK, cheap enough and has little value to be traded. Robertson, Kampf and Reaves should be 100% gone.

Woll is an interesting question. On one hand, the team likely needs goaltending depth now more than ever with Marner leaving.

On the other, I feel another team may value him which could open up options for a traditional hockey trade. Otherwise the team is going to packaging Cowan or Danford with Florida's 2nd or the Leafs 27' 2nd and seeing what they can buy that way

 

[WTFMAN99]

Kampf and Jarkrok are small beans; they're actually decent bottom 6ers

Rielly and Domi, I agree with. With Mo, it's just time to move on, unfortunately, really like him as a guy. Domi is an idiot whom I would take to the airport. Possible buyout, honestly.

Guys, like Robertson, McMann, and even Holmberg, should you look to do a small deals that pays off big. Won't hit on all of them, but got to try.

Woll, I've got no idea. Athletically so talented, but in terms of demeanour, I don't know if he's got it. I'd see what's out there for him.

I think going into last night he had a 5-1 or 4-1 record in elimination games right? Fairly strong stats too...but wasn't that good this series.

 

[SprDaVE]

Woll is an interesting question. On one hand, the team likely needs goaltending depth now more than ever with Marner leaving.

On the other, I feel another team may value him which could open up options for a traditional hockey trade. Otherwise the team is going to packaging Cowan or Danford with Florida's 2nd or the Leafs 27' 2nd and seeing what they can buy that way

I'd call up Buffalo and Columbus if they had interest in a goaltending boost. I'd be shocked if they wouldn't have high amounts of interest.

One trade scenario in my head that I would think long and hard about would be with Columbus picking up Merzlikins at 50% and a prospect like Luca DB Belluz as a base.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Kampf might be decent if he was making near league minimum. But he makes 2.4M for a 4th line center that doesn't really offer physicality or any intangibles. He's just a cardio merchant that kills penalties. He couldn't even get into the lineup in the playoffs. He needs to be punted ASAP.

Jarnkrok offers a bit more for cheaper, but he needs to be dumped too.

I'll take him over Laughton.

The dude gets caked with DZS and actually doesn't get caved.

Is he overpaid? Sure. But in the grand scheme of this team, paying Kampf an extra 750k or whatever isn't as big a deal.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'll take him over Laughton.

The dude gets caked with DZS and actually doesn't get caved.

Is he overpaid? Sure. But in the grand scheme of this team, paying Kampf an extra 750k or whatever isn't as big a deal.

I'd take Laughton over him 110% of the time.

It's a pretty big deal when your 2.4M center can't play more than 12 minutes without being completely unplayable. Saving that cap space and putting it into a player that can be a difference maker would help a lot. You cannot pay your depth players that much. It's really not that hard to find a cheap efficient PKer. Just play Quillan and you wouldn't know the difference, and you just saved yourself 2M.

This team needs to change a lot, but if they keep Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves beyond the off-season, they really need to can their management.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I'd take Laughton over him 110% of the time.

It's a pretty big deal when your 2.4M center can't play more than 12 minutes without being completely unplayable. Saving that cap space and putting it into a player that can be a difference maker would help a lot. You cannot pay your depth players that much. It's really not that hard to find a cheap efficient PKer.

You can have him.

With Kampf, it's not about being able to; he was hurt, and Berube was always going to play the guy Treliving traded for.

 

[SprDaVE]

You can have him.

With Kampf, it's not about being able to; he was hurt, and Berube was always going to play the guy Treliving traded for.

He wasn't hurt well into the playoffs. He played game 5. The Leafs just played other people. They played Holmberg over him.

I can't believe anyone would keep Kampf. I'm blown away. He's the first that needs to be dumped ASAP.

 

[Avilaj07]

Let both Marner and Tavares walk

Trade away Rielly, Mcmann, OEL, Jarnkrok, Domi Kampf, Robertson and Woll

Sign Ehlers 7 yrs x 7.5 million
Sign Duchene 3 yrs x 4.5 million
Sign Granlund 3 yrs x 5 million
Sign Marchand 2 yrs x 3.5 million
Sign Roslovic 5 yrs x 4 million
Sign Provorov 7 yrs x 8 million
Sign Federic 3 yrs x 2.5 million
Sign backup goalie 2 yrs x 2-3 million

Trade Woll and Prospect to Buffalo for Bowen Byram

Trade Rielly for picks and prospects

Trade Mcmann + prospects to Dallas for Marchment

Knies-Matthews-Marchand
Ehlers-Duchene-Nylander
Marchment-Granlund-Roslovic
Laughton-Federic-Lorentz

McCabe-Tanev
Byram-Carlo
Provorov-Benoit

Stolarz
Backup

 

[Rare Jewel]

He wasn't hurt well into the playoffs. He played game 5. The Leafs just played other people. They played Holmberg over him.

Because of their illnesses, he had no choice, and Holmberg is probably better than Laughton, so no issue there.


That trade is every bit as bad as the Foligno one from a few years back.

 

[hamzarocks]

Kampf might be decent if he was making near league minimum. But he makes 2.4M for a 4th line center that doesn't really offer physicality or any intangibles. He's just a cardio merchant that kills penalties. He couldn't even get into the lineup in the playoffs. He needs to be punted ASAP.

Jarnkrok offers a bit more for cheaper, but he needs to be dumped too.

Jarkrok is the worst player on this team over 3 years in the playoffs

He has 5 pts in 30 playoff games playing 13:30 a night and having some PP1 time in there.

He is a guy that is guaranteed to not produce at all and is not a strong PKer either.

We added a similar player in Laughton for a 1st+.

We have 3 guys who should be competing for 12th to 13th spot on the team making ~6M and 2 of 3 playing almost every game.

Add in Holmberg and Robertson and that's 5 useless players on the team.

We were fortunate Domi + patches played very well and brought a fair bit of offense this year.

The core allocation % needs to go down in order to build a better and deeper offensive group

 

[Buds17]

Quick hits....Marner is gone right? Not much debate?

Probably gone...JT...a lot of guys run from this city but he runs towards it but his lack of foot speed became obvious as the series went on and he's too similar to Matthews and Nylander. It would take a gargantuan pay cut for him to return.

Rielly and Domi? I would like to move on from Rielly...also Domi.

Jarnkrok, Kampf and Robertson also seem like guys that are gone.

Leaving...Woll and maybe McMann as conversation pieces.

McMann is probably appealing in very specific scenarios such as a team having a better more expensive player but getting squeezed on the cap and want a guy back to replace some of the offense cheaper.

Woll I am a bit concerned about trading because Stolarz only has a year left, the tandem was a reason we won the division but he could maybe return back a piece we need.

Only other guy if you want to dig further is maybe Benoit is a guy you would be able to sell high on.

Domi was one of the team's brighter spots for me come playoff time. There probably isn't much to be gained significantly from parting with McMann either (cap space or trade assets). When I look at some of Woll's/the goaltending worst playoff performances, I also tend to notice an alarming lack of offence. Much of the offseason will obviously focus on the core and which members of it should and should not return.

 

[Torontonian]

I dunno if it can only be Cowan and Danford to be traded, but anytime to you target a top player from another it will take some good pieces and the Leafs are definitely depleted in good available assets.

But this team already has most of it's pieces locked up or in the case of Knies, RFA. If Marner does walk, and it's almost a sure thing now, I think they have enough money to bring in a few players of varying quality to fill different roles. They just have to be smart and also cautious of who they target but it's not like they need 50M to sign over 10 players here.

People want to dismantle the team and almost every player not named Knies and Nylander, which is not going to happen. For my money, Knies, Matthews, Nylander, Laughton, Domi, Holmberg and McMann are 99% back. JT and Lorentz are at 50/50 depending on ask/money. Jarnkrok will probably stick around since he's OK, cheap enough and has little value to be traded. Robertson, Kampf and Reaves should be 100% gone.

Toronto isn't going to dismantle a team that just came in 4th place in the NHL. It's unrealistic, people are thinking with emotion and not logic right now. There might be changes & a big one, but they aren't going to gut the entire roster.

At the end of the day, Toronto under Berube needs to find a way to get deeper in the top 9 and have the ability to come wave after wave with pressure, much like what the Panthers and Hurricanes and Dallas do. That's how I imagine Chief wants the team to play, dump and chase wear em down and limit the scoring chances. They did a good job of limiting chances for the most part this playoffs, they didn't do a good job at coming at waves and pressuring the other team.

The way I see it without trading Jarnkrok / Reaves / Kampf away, they have roughly about 20m to fill the entire 2nd line.. (assuming knies is getting 7.5m - 8m). And probably 25m~ if they trade those 3 away.

 

[Buds17]

He wasn't hurt well into the playoffs. He played game 5. The Leafs just played other people. They played Holmberg over him.

I can't believe anyone would keep Kampf. I'm blown away. He's the first that needs to be dumped ASAP.

Kampf should otherwise be a sensible option to move on from because he only suited up for one of the 13 playoff games. I just become hesitant at the potential thought of making moves at a loss in a cap world. Shame that Holmberg wasn't anything special in the playoffs though because I did appreciate Berube playing the younger option with theoretically more of an upside.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Kampf should otherwise be a sensible option to move on from because he only suited up for one of the 13 playoff games. I just become hesitant at the potential thought of making moves at a loss in a cap world. Shame that Holmberg wasn't anything special in the playoffs though because I did appreciate Berube playing the younger option with theoretically more of an upside.

He's good defensively and good on faceoffs and the PK.

The extra 500- 700k he's overpaid isn't a real issue now that there shouldn't be such a glut of money tied up at the top.