Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[UAGoalieGuy]

Here is a helpful hint. If your trade proposal or projected roster has "if Kreider or Trouba waive their trade protection" (or any deviation of that) just stop your post and move on.

 

[Levitate]

but people need to be aware of how much I dislike those players

 

[Thirty One]

Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV

OMG you're amazing!!!! NO ONE HAS EVER DONE THAT BEFORE

Very impressive sir.

That's an elephant.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I do believe Zib/Eichel would likely be a top 5 Center tandem in the league. That's why people who are on board moving 2nd tier pieces want an Eichel level player at the cost of a Nils level prospect.

I don't think Strome can hold Eichel's jock. Eichel is a kid still who has put an entire team on his back numerous seasons now and has had very good stat seasons. Strome is a complimentary piece who needs to play with a good player to have good stats. not a line driver like Panarin/Zib or the likes of an Eichel level player.

I think it's just a matter of his health which we don't know. If it took anyone from the team to move him you'd probably be looking at a young RD defenseman. It certainly is a roll of the dice but we wont know how it pans out until years later.

Things might happen this week or next, if they do it's easy to become emotional about it. See @EdJovanovski regarding Buch. I mean I like EdJ posts a lot, but man he was bitter as hell and we don't even know what we're doing or what direction we've just moved into. It's just emotion. Too many what ifs, gotta just see it through before passing judgment. Trust in the franchise brass to know more than we do!

Fair enough. I see your point.

Definitely agree on the Strome vs. Eichel argument. No doubt they aren't even close as players. But my premise is that Eichel wont play a majority of the games next season and Strome will. Zib/Eichel is a very ideal situation, no doubt. But how long will that tandem actually play together? 45 games? 25 games? 10?

As you pointed out we dont know his health. I'd be all over this move if he was healthy. He is a huge question mark and a risk I'd rather not make at this point, given this teams trajectory. And Im basing this on the packages that are being leaked from the Buffalo camp. Obviously if the ask drops significantly its an easier choice to make.

 

[DialUp]

This team can win with Kreider and Trouba playing out their contracts - we just need to make sure everyone else's promise is realized, and Fox remains [A D A M F O X]. Easy pees. I don't think either of those guys suck. Sign Barkov for 5x5 and we are good to go

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Will Kreider finally score 40 #UnderGallant?

No, but he doesnt have to

 

[Levitate]

Fair enough. I see your point.

Definitely agree on the Strome vs. Eichel argument. No doubt they aren't even close as players. But my premise is that Eichel wont play a majority of the games next season and Strome will. Zib/Eichel is a very ideal situation, no doubt. But how long will that tandem actually play together? 45 games? 25 games? 10?

So...trade for Eichel, LTIR him this season, keep Strome, flip him at the deadline when Eichel is about to come back

Honestly that would be a great move if the cost to acquire wasn't sky high

e: and Vince has stated over and over that his contacts with the Rangers say they think they could finagle a way to keep both Eichel and Zibanejad. I think that'd have to mean they'd have some way to move another big contract like Kreider

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

So...trade for Eichel, LTIR him this season, keep Strome, flip him at the deadline when Eichel is about to come back

Honestly that would be a great move if the cost to acquire wasn't sky high

e: and Vince has stated over and over that his contacts with the Rangers say they think they could finagle a way to keep both Eichel and Zibanejad. I think that'd have to mean they'd have some way to move another big contract like Kreider

This is all on the basis that Eichel is healthy and his career isnt shot. Quite frankly we just dont know if thats the case. Does anyone?

 

[Levitate]

This is all on the basis that Eichel is healthy and his career isnt shot. Quite frankly we just dont know if thats the case. Does anyone?

I mean, we as fans aren't going to see his medicals or get all of the info. I think if the Rangers trade for him it will be because they're confident he will return to normal and not have further issues.

So yeah, I'm not advocating for trading for Eichel, I'm saying in a hypothetical where the Rangers are confident he'll be healthy and fine when he returns, then doing what I said above is actually a decently slick move if the recovery time will take him out of the season for quite awhile but not the entire season...you start the season with a solid lineup to get yourself into playoff contention and then self upgrade when Eichel comes back as well as recoup some of the assets lost trading for him.

 

[bigdog16]

Kreider had 20 goals last season. What “trend” are you watching? Or are you about to tell me because they were on the PP the goals dont count now? Nevermind the goals that go in from him screening the goalie on the PP that he doesnt get credit for.

Let’s worry about year 5 when we get to year 5. Right now Kreider is still producing at a 25-30 goal pace no matter how they come.

You are kidding yourself if you think Kreider is worth his money. Contract wise his comps are Gallagher, Anders Lee, Evander Kane... I take those three in a f* heartbeat over Kreider, even considering Kane's antics

 

[Thirty One]

You are kidding yourself if you think Kreider is worth his money. Contract wise his comps are Gallagher, Anders Lee, Evander Kane... I take those three in a f* heartbeat over Kreider, even considering Kane's antics

Only one of that group I even remotely consider is Lee.

 

[Thirty One]

On the 31 Thoughts podcast Friedman said he believes that Minnesota would let Eichel pursue the disc replacement surgery. So they would obviously know enough to make that decision.

 

[smoneil]

Trouba will never waive his NMC unless it was to the isles or devils since he forced his way to NYC for his wife's med school residency and even then probably not. if (big if) Kreider were to waive he would only waive to go to a contender, but no contender could fit in his cap hit. Both are staying here.

Unless her medical specialty is surgery, she will very likely be finished with her residency in the next year or two. At that point, she will be on the market for a medical job. There are short term options (a friend of mine just finished up a two year gig that got her a credential to teach in a teaching hospital), of course, if they want to stay in NYC through the end of Trouba's contract. They also both love Florida, and own a house in Ft. Lauderdale (not far from where the Panthers play...).

 

[bl02]

You are kidding yourself if you think Kreider is worth his money. Contract wise his comps are Gallagher, Anders Lee, Evander Kane... I take those three in a f* heartbeat over Kreider, even considering Kane's antics

I know Gallagher is a heart and soul guy who is feisty in front of net but last few seasons seems to be always fighting injuries. If you think kreiders contract will age poorly so will his! If not even more

 

[IDvsEGO]

Only one of that group I even remotely consider is Lee.

Isn’t lee making more money than kreider?

 

[bl02]

Only one of that group I even remotely consider is Lee.

And post serious knee surgery it’s close

 

[smoneil]

For those who might be too young to remember, this team HAS traded for a Buffalo player with injury concerns before. That situation was also similar in that Buffalo was too afraid of the player's injury to put him on the ice. We traded for that player, and he lasted fewer than 70 total games before his career was over. And that player (Pat LaFontaine) was better than Eichel.

 

[Fitzy]

Unless something major changes, Trouba and Kreider will be here until the NMC turns into a NTC.

NYR will find a way to make the cap work. LTIR is one possible solution, bridging Kakko and Lafreniere is another.

It won't be hard to find a player with a nagging injury to sit the season the way Tampa Bay has been.

 

[bigdog16]

Only one of that group I even remotely consider is Lee.

Evander Kane is 5x the hockey player than Chris Kreider, hes just a dick

 

[Thirty One]

For those who might be too young to remember, this team HAS traded for a Buffalo player with injury concerns before. That situation was also similar in that Buffalo was too afraid of the player's injury to put him on the ice. We traded for that player, and he lasted fewer than 70 total games before his career was over. And that player (Pat LaFontaine) was better than Eichel.

And that player (Pat Lafontaine) was 32 when the Rangers traded for him.

 

[Fitzy]

Evander Kane is 5x the hockey player than Chris Kreider, hes just a dick

Again, if assists were credited for screens resulting in goals, Kreider would be a PPG player.

He's top 5 in the league in front of the net. Franzen made a living with the Wings doing the same thing until he was 34.

He's overpaid, but still very useful. Same with Trouba.

 

[bigdog16]

Again, if assists were credited for screens resulting in goals, Kreider would be a PPG player.

He's top 5 in the league in front of the net. Franzen made a living with the Wings doing the same thing until he was 34.

He's overpaid, but still very useful. Same with Trouba.

Lol ok? And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle

 

[smoneil]

Unless something major changes, Trouba and Kreider will be here until the NMC turns into a NTC.

NYR will find a way to make the cap work. LTIR is one possible solution, bridging Kakko and Lafreniere is another.

It won't be hard to find a player with a nagging injury to sit the season the way Tampa Bay has been.

It's fun to think about, but this isn't a real option. While I'm sure EVERYONE in the league office saw exactly what TB was doing (having Kucherov get surgery, just a week before the start of the season, for an injury that is usually dealt with in the summer), they were allowed to get away with it because it was a legitimate injury, and the recovery time for that surgery was right around the same time-frame as the shortened season. If any team tried to pull the same thing with a NON-legit injury or with any injury that doesn't have a 7 month recovery time, the league would drop the boom. And after Dolan's tweet, I'm sure there are some in the league that would love nothing more than to drop said boom on the Rangers.

 

[jay from jersey]

Didn’t he have this same problem in the Peg?

And on his way out of buffalo. Rumors persisted he was a bad team mate

 

[Fitzy]

Lol ok? And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle

The general point is that some of his contributions to the team aren't registered statistically, which can cause people to understate his overall value.