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TommyDangles said:
Slow & small. He's a middle 6 guy that wants to be paid like a top 6 guy. Guerin doesn't view him that way.
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Now you can argue he isn't a first line type of guy but 60 points really doesn't describe a middle 6 kind of guy either. At worst you could say he is a low end 2nd line center
 
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boredmale said:
Now you can argue he isn't a first line type of guy but 60 points really doesn't describe a middle 6 kind of guy either. At worst you could say he is a low end 2nd line center
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Yeah honestly I can't get behind that logic at all re: Rossi being a 3rd liner or a poor second line C. He has progressed very well since coming into the league. His 60 points puts him at 40th in scoring for Centers last season (and thats with a few guys on NHL.com listed at C that didnt really play the position, like Necas and Guentzel)

His production puts him in the top 10 of "2nd line centers", and it was only his second full season in the league. I think the Wild would be insane to trade this guy, personally, unless a clear upgrade of a 2nd line C comes back, and I don't see that happening

This guy would fit the Flames or Canucks perfectly, IMO, and as a Flames fan I hope they pursue him hard if he is, in fact, available.
 
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My3Sons said:
I'm disappointed for him and Wild fans. I understand that GMs have to make hard choices but at least acknowledge there is a human side to it. Letting this sort of thing play out in public is not good for anyone involved.
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Eh...it's a business, and we're talking about a 50M contract. Guerin has not run down Marco in public, and Rossi has been a model citizen. I'm peeved as Wild fan, because trading a young C with offensive skill that we have needed forever makes no sense to me. I get that he's not the perfect player, but Hynes was playing Freddy "No Points/2 SOG" Gaudreau over him in the playoffs. That's ridiculous.
 
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57special said:
Eh...it's a business, and we're talking about a 50M contract. Guerin has not run down Marco in public, and Rossi has been a model citizen. I'm peeved as Wild fan, because trading a young C with offensive skill that we have needed forever makes no sense to me. I get that he's not the perfect player, but Hynes was playing Freddy No Points Gaudreau over him in the playoffs. That's ridiculous.
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Hopefully it works out for him wherever he lands. He's easy to root for and a good story in perseverance.
 
HitterD said:
Yeah honestly I can't get behind that logic at all re: Rossi being a 3rd liner or a poor second line C. He has progressed very well since coming into the league. His 60 points puts him at 40th in scoring for Centers last season (and thats with a few guys on NHL.com listed at C that didnt really play the position, like Necas and Guentzel)
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Not saying he is a poor 2nd line center, just saying that is the worst argument you could make for him. I seen a few people say his points was the product of injuries and him getting prime minutes with top players.
 
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boredmale said:
Not saying he is a poor 2nd line center, just saying that is the worst argument you could make for him. I seen a few people say his points was the product of injuries and him getting prime minutes with top players.
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Yeah honestly I didn’t take your post that way either, just jumped off it to provide further context as to why Rossi is being undervalued by many. I agree with you 100%.
 
boredmale said:
Not saying he is a poor 2nd line center, just saying that is the worst argument you could make for him. I seen a few people say his points was the product of injuries and him getting prime minutes with top players.
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He saw more PP time with the injuries to Kaprizov and Eriksson Ek, which is why his PP points went from 6 to 16. But he was also playing on a PP without Kaprizov which is a pretty big hit.

Getting prime minutes with top players is something I feel like most top 6 players get. If you're going to trade for him and play him on the 3rd line with not PP time, then yes, you're probably not going to get 50-55+ of even strength production out of him. But I don't think it's a long list of players that you would.
 
boredmale said:
Now you can argue he isn't a first line type of guy but 60 points really doesn't describe a middle 6 kind of guy either. At worst you could say he is a low end 2nd line center
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And a ton of those points came with Kaprizov & that he had a really high shooting %. Points don't = role. Sheary wasn't a top line winger because he was near PPG with Crosby. Rossi wasn't bad away from Kaprizov, but he's not putting up 60 points without him. Think he's more in the 40ish point range normally. You'd need Rossi to be with a top-level talent to get that 60+ production out of him.
 
TommyDangles said:
And a ton of those points came with Kaprizov & that he had a really high shooting %. Points don't = role. Sheary wasn't a top line winger because he was near PPG with Crosby. Rossi wasn't bad away from Kaprizov, but he's not putting up 60 points without him. Think he's more in the 40ish point range normally. You'd need Rossi to be with a top-level talent to get that 60+ production out of him.
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Who do you think top 6C's play with, 4th liners? Top 6 players play with other top 6 players. Do you really think that a 23yo C in his second full year has reached his peak of scoring at 60 points, and will never score that again?

Kaprizov was out or ineffective for 2 1/2 mos due to injury. How the hell could he carry Rossi during that time? JEE was out, or unhealthy for large amounts of time, also. Rossi and Boldy were the guys carrying the team, offensively. It wasn't the team carrying Rossi.
 
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57special said:
Kaprizov was out or ineffective for 1 1/2 mos due to injury.
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More than that. He missed half the season. Only played 7 games after December 23rd and was injured for 3 of them. Rossi played 34 games with him.
 
TommyDangles said:
And a ton of those points came with Kaprizov & that he had a really high shooting %. Points don't = role. Sheary wasn't a top line winger because he was near PPG with Crosby. Rossi wasn't bad away from Kaprizov, but he's not putting up 60 points without him. Think he's more in the 40ish point range normally. You'd need Rossi to be with a top-level talent to get that 60+ production out of him.
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Kaprizov was involved with 19 of his 60 points.

I'll venture a bet that Peterka doesn't put up 68 with McLeod and Quinn.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
Kaprizov was involved with 19 of his 60 points.

I'll venture a bet that Peterka doesn't put up 68 with McLeod and Quinn.
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So right around 40ish points? Also just because he isn't assisting or scoring doesn't mean that Kaprizov isn't involved. Him just being on the ice changes the dynamic. Rossi had 14 points in 28 games & a -12 when Kaprizov was out from late January to early April.

You realize Peterka had a 50 point season playing mostly with Cozens/Quinn/Benson right?
 
57special said:
Who do you think top 6C's play with, 4th liners? Top 6 players play with other top 6 players. Do you really think that a 23yo C in his second full year has reached his peak of scoring at 60 points, and will never score that again?

Kaprizov was out or ineffective for 2 1/2 mos due to injury. How the hell could he carry Rossi during that time? JEE was out, or unhealthy for large amounts of time, also. Rossi and Boldy were the guys carrying the team, offensively. It wasn't the team carrying Rossi.
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What do you think Kaprizov is just a run of the mill top 6 F? Does every team have a Kaprizov?

Yea I think 60 points will be one of his best scoring seasons. His shooting % was very high. A lot of people think young players will just continue to get better but we know that isn't true. Plenty of guys have their highest scoring seasons at young ages.

When Kaprizov was out from Jan 29th - April 6th Rossi had 14 points in 28 games (-12). So a 41 point pace.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Sure, as a 2nd year player. Definitely not your ignorant 41.

So 50+ pace playing with Boldy (a really good young player), and the likes of Zuccarello, Foligno, Johansson, Hartman, etc. Seems pretty promising to me.

Nobody is claiming that he's MacKinnon here.
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So 41-51 points with a high shooting %. He won't be shooting 17.6% every season. Season before was 40 points in 82 games.

I'm claiming he's a middle 6 guy. That's what the numbers show.
 
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