GDT: Rookie tournament- Canadiens vs Bruins 3:30 EST (YouTube)

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Struble - Reinbacher
Trudeau - Mailloux.
Someone - Tourigny

Means no pp time for Tourigny, but that's the d pairings I'd like to see.

Struble and Trudeau are interchangeable, but something like that.

 

[Runner77]

Having an opinion on a player is not whining by the way. Fans are completely entitled to like or dislike a player or type of player. It's kind of normal that in a rebuild that you'd much prefer to see better results than otherwise.

I don’t mind critiques as long as the poster is transparent about how a particular conclusion or impression is begotten.

Ideally, I prefer to see the good with the bad rather than only reading one kind of comment.

We are longtime masters of extrapolating from small sample sizes and generating hyperbole, especially when it comes to tournaments like these. I chose not to watch this year as I find it near impossible to draw conclusions about most players.

 

[The Real Timo]

TSN was already hinting at him making the team out of camp when they ran a segment of who Montreal could come up with to help bolster their offence.

Which team? The Laval team? Please let’s not throw another promising prospect to the wolves like they did with Slaf last year. Laval is fine. No way any of these guys should even sniff the NHL.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Stop lol

 

[JoelWarlord]

Trudeau Reinbacher part 2 should be fun

 

[Whitesnake]

Whoever told you that never saw Mesar play.

Mesars game is skating, hands and playmaking. He also has a quick release that he can get off in traffic.

Everyone gets mad when we don't draft skill and then we draft skill and get mad about that too. Mesar was a fine pick for the late first round and writing a kid off in one year is just so stupid.

Chill out.

Kulich had skills. And then, we whine about not picking small players 'cause we already have some like...Mesar. Not saying Kulich is 6'4'' but it's clear just by looking at him that he's already more solid physically.

So it's not about NOT picking Mesar and picking Lamoureux here....

But yes, in essence, if you have to miss....miss by picking talent. Just saying...there was a better talent option.

Also the evaluation of his talent was made out of the Slovakia league. Maybe it's not the best league to do that. Adam Sykora had around the same stats and was picked late 2nd round. Despite being 9 months younger. There's no precedent from that league to evaluate such a young kid.

 

[salbutera]

Kulich had skills. And then, we whine about not picking small players 'cause we already have some like...Mesar. Not saying Kulich is 6'4'' but it's clear just by looking at him that he's already more solid physically.

So it's not about NOT picking Mesar and picking Lamoureux here....

But yes, in essence, if you have to miss....miss by picking talent. Just saying...there was a better talent option.

Also the evaluation of his talent was made out of the Slovakia league. Maybe it's not the best league to do that. Adam Sykora had around the same stats and was picked late 2nd round. Despite being 9 months younger. There's no precedent from that league to evaluate such a young kid.

Except Craig Ramsay’s insight, which is a known entity for NHL types..

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Interesting thoughts by Marco d’Amico on the subject of the Habs’ organizational needs. We picked a D in a forward heavy draft this summer so why not buck the trend again by picking a forward in next year’s D-heavy draft:

Definitely need some talent up front. Roy is intriguing, so are Dach and Slaf. But with our D being what it is, I’d say the team’s going to focus a lot on forward.

Any elite goalie prospects coming in the next few drafts?

 

[tooji]

This board is really insufferable right now. Christ. I've never seen the whining about prospects at the level it's at right now.

you aint seen nothing buddy

 

[NotProkofievian]

This board is really insufferable right now. Christ. I've never seen the whining about prospects at the level it's at right now.

 

[Habano]

Whoever told you that never saw Mesar play.

Mesars game is skating, hands and playmaking. He also has a quick release that he can get off in traffic.

Everyone gets mad when we don't draft skill and then we draft skill and get mad about that too. Mesar was a fine pick for the late first round and writing a kid off in one year is just so stupid.

Chill out.

Chill out? Did my post sound like I was angry? Kulich also has talent. I didn't write off Mesar so no reason to call my opinion stupid. He'll make a fine 3rd or maybe a 2nd liner.

In my opinion, Kulich will have a better NHL career. Time will tell. Maybe you should chill out.

 

[ReHabs]

Until the Habs produce the goods on the ice or in their prospect pool I don’t see why fans shouldn’t be agitated and upset.

Year after year the same old story.

Rookie Camp is now and Training camp is around the corner. You bet there will be hot takes. It is what it is, whining doesn’t prevent it, it just adds to the cacophony.

Now the same regime-fanboys and homers in the commentary space demand five years of silence before anyone speaks out and questions the lack of progress or lack of talent exhibited by certain prospects. C’est comme d’habitude.

 

[Rapala]

Until the Habs produce the goods on the ice or in their prospect pool I don’t see why fans shouldn’t be agitated and upset.

Year after year the same old story.

Rookie Camp is now and Training camp is around the corner. You bet there will be hot takes. It is what it is, whining doesn’t prevent it, it just adds to the cacophony.

Now the same regime-fanboys and homers in the commentary space demand five years of silence before anyone speaks out and questions the lack of progress or lack of talent exhibited by certain prospects. C’est comme d’habitude.

Besides which there are two terms that are constantly misused on this board BASHING and WHINING. God forbid someone questions a player's selection or actual play on this board. Personally I don't see much of high ceiling prospect wise in our forward group. Is it delayed development in some cases? Maybe but I'm not buying it. Roy is still intriguing and I think we know what we have with Beck and Heineman. Mysak Mesar Kidney and Farrell all have a steep hill to climb and aren't blessed with many great physical attributes. Something is going to have to pop in their games to offset their weaknesses.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lol to the people thinking Mailloux would play NHL games. It doesn’t even seem like he’d be ready for the AHL.

Some never learn. Making the pro jump is usually an adjustment. I expect Mailloux to follow the Barron path of development. Doesn't mean he will disappoint or be the exact same type of player like Barron is. Just means it takes a little time to adjust to Men.

Roy isn't the fastest skater but his ability to process the game and ending up in the right spots on the ice, at the right time, is very good.

Said it before and will say it again... we have Toffoli comparison set on him but he could be a C Perry in his prime too. Roy has game people.

 

[Rapala]

I think Newhook/Byron will be perfect models for him.

I just think there's a hint of lack of self awareness and resilience in his attitude, and that could be a deciding factor in his development.

Hopefully if he finds that type of game he also learns how to remain resilient.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Definitely need some talent up front. Roy is intriguing, so are Dach and Slaf. But with our D being what it is, I’d say the team’s going to focus a lot on forward.

Any elite goalie prospects coming in the next few drafts?

If Suzuki, Dach, and Beck turn into the centers we think they can, we should be OK up the middle. Need to find more skill/size/skater on wing which is easier to find vs centers or D.

Right now, our top guys are Caufield, Slaf, and Roy? No offense to RHP, Newhook, Ylonen, Farrell, Heineman, Mesar but they are likely middle 6 assets and moveable parts in the line-up.

We should be able to find those wingers. Either through trades, UFA, or the draft. Our draft power should still remain high for the next few drafts.

 

[Rapala]

I don’t mind critiques as long as the poster is transparent about how a particular conclusion or impression is begotten.

Ideally, I prefer to see the good with the bad rather than only reading one kind of comment.

We are longtime masters of extrapolating from small sample sizes and generating hyperbole, especially when it comes to tournaments like these. I chose not to watch this year as I find it near impossible to draw conclusions about most players.

True but the indications are always there. The entire Prospect Challenge for me is a glorified scrimmage with an odd hit thrown here or there and very little emotion. I actually stopped watching after the first period Saturday because it was so boring. The real tell will come when the players are matched up with NHL Guys and then we can see if they can compete and read the game at a higher level. I think we all know most of these players are skilled but so are a thousands upon thousands of other players who never put it all together. Bottom line. We have what we have and I'll be happy when the main camp starts and the real jockeying for chairs begins.

 

[SlafySZN]

If Suzuki, Dach, and Beck turn into the centers we think they can, we should be OK up the middle. Need to find more skill/size/skater on wing which is easier to find vs centers or D.

Right now, our top guys are Caufield, Slaf, and Roy? No offense to RHP, Newhook, Ylonen, Farrell, Heineman, Mesar but they are likely middle 6 assets and moveable parts in the line-up.

We should be able to find those wingers. Either through trades, UFA, or the draft. Our draft power should still remain high for the next few drafts.

Roy over Newhook, what?

Nothing indicates he can be better than what Newhook already showed in the NHL. Plus Newhook isn’t done getting better.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Roy over Newhook, what?

Nothing indicates he can be better than what Newhook already showed in the NHL. Plus Newhook isn’t done getting better.

Yup, I have Roy with a higher ceiling than Newhook. Don't hate Newhook but he is a middle 6F to me. Hope I am wrong and we end up with two top 6F.

I like what Roy is doing. I like his Size, IQ, and Shot. Kid knows how to score.

Are you ranking one ahead of the other due to where they were drafted?

 

[Rapala]

Struble - Reinbacher
Trudeau - Mailloux.
Someone - Tourigny

Means no pp time for Tourigny, but that's the d pairings I'd like to see.

Struble and Trudeau are interchangeable, but something like that.

Yeah I would hope to see those top four D paired this way also. Only because we've already seen the raw rookies paired the other way.

 

[SlafySZN]

Yup, I have Roy with a higher ceiling than Newhook. Don't hate Newhook but he is a middle 6F to me. Hope I am wrong and we end up with two top 6F.

I like what Roy is doing. I like his Size, IQ, and Shot. Kid knows how to score.

Are you ranking one ahead of the other due to where they were drafted?

No. I’m ranking one ahead for the talent level and skating. One could produce bottom 6 numbers at 20-21 years old in the NHL without getting much chance for more. This season he’ll have the chance to play more minutes and higher in the lineup.

While we don’t even know if Roy is a NHL player at all.

 

[waitin425]

If Suzuki, Dach, and Beck turn into the centers we think they can, we should be OK up the middle. Need to find more skill/size/skater on wing which is easier to find vs centers or D.

Right now, our top guys are Caufield, Slaf, and Roy? No offense to RHP, Newhook, Ylonen, Farrell, Heineman, Mesar but they are likely middle 6 assets and moveable parts in the line-up.

We should be able to find those wingers. Either through trades, UFA, or the draft. Our draft power should still remain high for the next few drafts.

Agree with everything, except Newhook. He belongs in that first group. Not sure Roy does, but I hope he gets there.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
RHP - Dach - Newhook
Heinemen - Beck - Roy

 

[Gustave]

Agree with everything, except Newhook. He belongs in that first group. Not sure Roy does, but I hope he gets there.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
RHP - Dach - Newhook
Heinemen - Beck - Roy

I'd say those nine are the expected group of current Habs players/prospects that compose the best scenario.

Having said that; is that enough? So.... we need to tank again, win a lottery, OR trade for a big time F, OR sign a big time F. Or two of those

Years from competing I guess... Ok.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No. I’m ranking one ahead for the talent level and skating. One could produce bottom 6 numbers at 20-21 years old in the NHL without getting much chance for more. This season he’ll have the chance to play more minutes and higher in the lineup.

While we don’t even know if Roy is a NHL player at all.

Bookmark it. Lets see how this ages.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agree with everything, except Newhook. He belongs in that first group. Not sure Roy does, but I hope he gets there.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
RHP - Dach - Newhook
Heinemen - Beck - Roy

I was a big Newhook fan on draft day and yeah, I was one of the fans who were on the fence about Caufield vs Newhook as a pick. As time moved forward, I have Newhook as a middle 6F. Hope he reaches top 6F quality but not so sure it happens. Today, I project him as a versatile middle 6F who can play any position.

Roy to me has top 6F potential. A little early but I think he has the right mix of size, hockey IQ and a very good shot. He's very clever and has history of producing in big games.

If Newhook is as good as you and others think he will be, that means MSL gets more out of him with us vs what he did with the Avs. He didn't do so well with Rantanen when they tried him on the 2nd line last season. The reason Sakic traded him is because he felt he was a middle 6F, not a top 6F. Hope he proves me wrong.