ROH/NJPW Supershow at MSG 4/6

[JackSlater]

I find this show has a very odd feel. I'm not really enjoying it, especially this recent Dudley match. I expect the NJPW big guns to bring it though. Disappointing crowd responses too.

 

[Disclose]

Triple treat delivered.
Besides that only ospray/Cobb have been really amazing

 

[Disclose]

PCO AND HIS ENTRANCE LOL. <3
And he brought Destro. Not sure if he has brought him to ROH before.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

The heck did Enzo and Cass do

 

[domaug]

The heck did Enzo and Cass do

apparently they hopped the fence and attacked some of the tag teams. some are speculating it's a work, but i don't see why it would be a work if broadcast cameras supposedly cut away from it

 

[Disclose]

Not sure your question but I’m sure people jumped after the tag title match. Cameras didn’t show but you could see the fight and bully Ray RUNNING down the ramp.

Are you saying it was Enzo and Cass??? Loll or I understood everything wrong?

 

[M.C.G. 31]

apparently they hopped the fence and attacked some of the tag teams. some are speculating it's a work, but i don't see why it would be a work if broadcast cameras supposedly cut away from it

It’s a work. Report is booking team was against it but higher ups pushed it through.

 

[Disclose]

They literally didn’t show it.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

They literally didn’t show it.

They were working punches and Cass was under the ring lmao

 

[domaug]

Not sure your question but I’m sure people jumped after the tag title match. Cameras didn’t show but you could see the fight and bully Ray RUNNING down the ramp.

Are you saying it was Enzo and Cass??? Loll or I understood everything wrong?

yes it was Enzo and Cass. the footage i saw made it seem like a work but it was just weird to me how it apparently wasn't on the broadcast

i hope ROH didn't actually sign them. the only value they have is being on the WWE roster for a bit.

 

[Alex Jones]

yes it was Enzo and Cass. the footage i saw made it seem like a work but it was just weird to me how it apparently wasn't on the broadcast

i hope ROH didn't actually sign them. the only value they have is being on the WWE roster for a bit.

It was a stupid spot anyways.

Enzo and Cass don't really fit into ROH. Neither of them are great workers (especially Cass), and just being good at talking shit doesn't get you far in that promotion. I really don't want to see them there.

 

[Disclose]

Yeah ok. I mean it is what it is but they didn’t show it or mentioned it.
So maybe they did it but they said no thanks. Or will be saved for an episode of ROH. But yeah it was weird.

 

[Disclose]

And this show is f***ing long too lol

 

[Alex Jones]

I find this show has a very odd feel. I'm not really enjoying it, especially this recent Dudley match. I expect the NJPW big guns to bring it though. Disappointing crowd responses too.

I mean, the ROH side isn't very good. That promotion has pretty much been riding their talent share with NJPW for relevance for a while now. NXT is basically what ROH was a decade ago. Their booking sucks, their talent isn't nearly as good as it was in the mid 2000's, and AEW is probably going to blow them off the map.

 

[JackSlater]

One of the Briscoes not murdering Enzo makes me think that it had to be a work, regardless of anything else.

Naito vs Ibushi is the main match I wanted to see on this show. Should be a good one.

I mean, the ROH side isn't very good. That promotion has pretty much been riding their talent share with NJPW for relevance for a while now. NXT is basically what ROH was a decade ago. Their booking sucks, their talent isn't nearly as good as it was in the mid 2000's, and AEW is probably going to blow them off the map.

Yes, I know. I haven't been all that interested in ROH since the days of Punk/Joe/Danielson. I didn't expect much from the ROH guys, but I also find the general atmosphere disappointing. There have been enjoyable parts though, and I expect that things are going to pick up from this point on. I enjoyed Quebecer Pierre earlier.

 

[sabremike]

It’s a work. Report is booking team was against it but higher ups pushed it through.

Please cite your source.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Please cite your source.

Man don’t be talking like that if this isn’t school

 

[sabremike]

Man don’t be talking like that if this isn’t school

I asked this because I have seen nothing about it on WO/F4W, PWI (where Dave Scherer was acting like it was a shoot) and PWT or any of their guys on Twitter so I had no idea where you saw that. I'm here and instantly thought it was almost surely a work. The ROH people are idiots.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I asked this because I have seen nothing about it on WO/F4W, PWI (where Dave Scherer was acting like it was a shoot) and PWT or any of their guys on Twitter so I had no idea where you saw that. I'm here and instantly thought it was almost surely a work. The ROH people are idiots.

I’m sensitive ok. I’ve had to cite a lot of work for school this week.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Cody liked this.

 

[Kimi]

To be fair, I think Enzo would kill himself in a real fight, based on the way he wrestles.

 

[Disclose]

Yeah... not pleased with the show in general (ROH I guess). Maybe last night was so good that nothing ever will be good and I have to watch Take Over in loop forever.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

NJPW needs to move on from ROH and get the partnership with AEW, seriously.

 

[sabremike]

Pro tip: if you want to convince people something was a shoot you don't want them to see don't have your official Twitter account retweet fans posting video of the incident.

 

[Live in the Now]

NJPW needs to move on from ROH and get the partnership with AEW, seriously.

NJPW is never going to do that. Their partnership with CMLL has gone decades, and AEW partnered with AAA. So this will never ever happen because they can't lose the CMLL partnership. NJPW would probably look to partner with a different company before that or they'd try to bring CMLL here for shows. AEW also f***ed them when taking talent away from them, that's not something they're going to forget. NJPW is still the same company that kept a partnership with WCW for nearly a decade.

As long as ROH supplies regular touring spots for NJPW talent and as long as they continue to take people when NJPW sends them on excursion, that partnership is going to stick. The Japanese way of doing things is not how things are done here, and they're probably very happy with how this went. They got all their talent on a huge show in the US. Mission accomplished.

Personally, I thought when they had Fighting Spirit Unleashed as a dual show similar to this one, that it was better. I was glad to be at that one too. I will also say that the way NJPW sticks with the old ways is bothersome sometimes, but the way they stick with them shows that those rules will apply to their relationship with ROH. Wrestlers like Sanada and Ibushi should be getting pushed harder, but they aren't because they didn't come through the dojo. It took Ibushi years of grinding just to get to IC level.

Also, to go back to the AEW thing, AEW has no brand awareness in Japan yet. ROH on the other hand does and that's why they keep bringing people from ROH over there. Personally I don't give a shit about ROH at all and don't think there's any real value in anyone they have except Cobb, Gresham, and the other guys the two companies already share.