Value of: Robin Lehner

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How about a Lehner and Murray swap?

Lehner has more value than Murray, And why would he waive for Ottawa?

 

[Irie]

My guess is that Vegas tries to move him this offseason and quickly finds out that there is no market for a drama filled goalie with a 5 million dollar cap hit signed for three more years coming off of shoulder surgery, so they'll convince him to ride the season out on LTIR.

Lehner will agree, except mid-way through the season, he will pop up on someone's podcast claiming that he was never injured and shouting about a conspiracy by Vegas to ruin his career.

 

[JKG33]

I don't disagree, it would get bad the moment he struggled but regardless of what happens with Campbell they can't bring back Marazek.

So the Leafs will be in the market for a goalie that makes them a logical landing spot

The Leafs being in the market for a goalie makes them a terrible fit for Lehner. He doesn't solve any problems in net

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

Can they do something with Toews? Lehner and Dadonov? Chicago sends one of their sub .900 goalies back.

Blackhawks spend some of their cap early on a 5 million goalie... Vegas gets some captainy intangibles to cancel out Eichel... and Toews waives NTC to live in fun Las Vegas market

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Can they do something with Toews? Lehner and Dadonov? Chicago sends one of their sub .900 goalies back.

Blackhawks spend some of their cap early on a 5 million goalie... Vegas gets some captainy intangibles to cancel out Eichel... and Toews waives NTC to live in fun Las Vegas market

Vegas has to dump salary, even with the contracts they have coming off the books they will be over the cap

 

[Neiler]

Lehner has more value than Murray, And why would he waive for Ottawa?

I agree he does and he very well may not waive.

The premise presented by OP says they may want to switch him out. I wouldn't recommend anyone taking Murray, but if this is the situation maybe there is some sense to it.

Long story short, I'll do anything to get rid of Murray.

 

[bert]

Lehner is a head case wouldn't want him anywhere near my dressing room. It will cost them assets to get rid of him. What a mess in Vegas. No pulse on the dressing room.

Lehner has significantly more value

Does he? As a sens fan I want nothing to do with either. To me whoever has less term has better value. Both have major attitude/mental health issues. When they're not injured and mentally in a good frame of mind they're good goalies I just don't think either of them has the right mental make up.

 

[rams]

Value of Lehner... two words there that do not go together.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Lehner is a head case wouldn't want him anywhere near my dressing room. It will cost them assets to get rid of him. What a mess in Vegas. No pulse on the dressing room.

Does he? As a sens fan I want nothing to do with either. To me whoever has less term has better value. Both have major attitude/mental health issues. When they're not injured and mentally in a good frame of mind they're good goalies I just don't think either of them has the right mental make up.

I believe he does yes, reason being he's cheaper and I don't believe his play has fallen nearly as far as Murray's.

I wonder if Ottawa buys out Murray because much like Marazek in Toronto, I'm not sure Murray can be back in Ottawa.

I don't think Murray has any trade value at all.

That's not to say I think Lehner has much trade value at all, Vegas needs to move money and teams know it if he gets traded they won't get much.

 

[saintunspecified]

The best landing spot for Lehner would be NYI. I expect him to be LTI-retired at some point, and NYI is the best place *for him* to make that transition. But as a NYI fan, beyond fondness for Lehner, the point in a deal would be for NYI to address their need for LS top-4 PMD. Obviously it would be a complicated deal, in terms of salary, NTC's, and the health of the players involved. The bones would be

NYI get Lehner, Martinez (10.25 over multiple years)
VGK get Varlamov +? (5M for one year)

NYI take on big risk with Lehner, which they were not willing to take on before. VGK get a starting goalie for next season on a 1 year deal. Probably doesn't work for the VGK, and it is probably not something that LL would consider either. I'm more throwing stuff at the wall.

Both teams are in a similar position, veteran teams that missed the playoffs. NYI has probably the most reliable goaltending tandem in the league, but have been really hurt by losses of Toews & Leddy. VGK needed a reliable goalie, but have puck moving strength. Seems a fit, but it is complicated.

 

[bert]

I believe he does yes, reason being he's cheaper and I don't believe his play has fallen nearly as far as Murray's.

I wonder if Ottawa buys out Murray because much like Marazek in Toronto, I'm not sure Murray can be back in Ottawa.

I don't think Murray has any trade value at all.

That's not to say I think Lehner has much trade value at all, Vegas needs to move money and teams know it if he gets traded they won't get much.

Fair enough, I agree that Murray has negative trade value but I think Lehner does too. Lehner has more term so I think I'd rather have Murray tbh. Neither is ideal.

 

[Fatass]

Less than zero.
Would any team give up picks for him?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Less than zero.
Would any team give up picks for him?

probably, I have yet to see a truly unmoveable contract, I have seen lots that people thought were unmoveable but they all got moved.

Every contract can be moved

 

[Fatass]

probably, I have yet to see a truly unmoveable contract, I have seen lots that people thought were unmoveable but they all got moved.

Every contract can be moved

Could Lehner return a draft pick with Vegas not retaining or taking back a contract?
Which team would trade for Lehner and take his full contract, and send back a pick?
I don’t see it. Can you think of a team that would do that?

 

[Hobnobs]

Wow, SAbres fans are really hurt. Shocking...

Lehner doesn't have negative value unless the injury is threatening his career/level of play.

Suggesting he would only return a player like Matt Murray is f***ing ridiculous to say the least.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Could Lehner return a draft pick with Vegas not retaining or taking back a contract?
Which team would trade for Lehner and take his full contract, and send back a pick?
I don’t see it. Can you think of a team that would do that?

Canadian markets could be risky for him because of his mental issues but Toronto has Marazek they they cannot bring back and Mikko Koskenin and a Mike Smith that will be 41 next year

both teams need a goalie

 

[Chainshot]

So the guy the coach backed the bus over, who was playing through both shoulder and knee issues is now the bad guy? I know Lehner is a lightening rod but the way DeBoer has vilified him late in the year was gross as was the way some of the fans have turned on him there. I don't think the relationship with the organization is salvageable but I'm sure there will be teams who look at his body of work and think they can get a starter there after he's healed up.

 

[Petes2424]

So if you listen to the way the coach is talking about Lehner it sounds like things are getting pretty bad in Vegas between Lehner and the coach, almost to the point where from the outside looking in it doesn't look like Lehner is long for Vegas.

If he hits the trade market what kind of value can he bring back in a trade?

I can think of a few teams that would be interested

Toronto and Edmonton are the obvious ones but I do wonder about Detroit too I wonder how sold they are on Ned? then there is NJ if they decide to move on from Blackwood

I will say as a Leaf fan I don't know if this is the right fit, Lehner has been very open about his mental health issues and I wonder how he would handle it here, or in Edmonton for that matter if mid December hits and he starts to struggle and the fans and media get on him, because we would, and so would Oiler fans and media I know that because I live in Alberta.

Either market could go very very bad very very quickly but at the same time if he does hit the block Toronto and Edmonton are the obvious landing spots

I do think the Knights will think about moving Robin Lehner. The problem is, who do they replace him with and what do they think they have in Logan Thompson, who hasn’t looked bad? He’s actually had some really good games.

Don’t even think it’s the coach thing, although it doesn’t help. This crazy Fleury thing with the fans is crazy and we know Lehner let’s things get to him. Then he plays hurt for a month and his coach rips him.

It might just be time he moves on. Would the Leafs or Oilers want him? Possibly but what does that do for Vegas? They certainly don’t want Mrazek at this point.

One team where there could be a trade to be made would be New Jersey for Mackenzie Blackwood.

It will be interesting to see what they do with him. They’re such an impulsive team, you just never know.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I do think the Knights will think about moving Robin Lehner. The problem is, who do they replace him with and what do they think they have in Logan Thompson, who hasn’t looked bad? He’s actually had some really good games.

Don’t even think it’s the coach thing, although it doesn’t help. This crazy Fleury thing with the fans is crazy and we know Lehner let’s things get to him. Then he plays hurt for a month and his coach rips him.

It might just be time he moves on. Would the Leafs or Oilers want him? Possibly but what does that do for Vegas? They certainly don’t want Mrazek at this point.

One team where there could be a trade to be made would be New Jersey for Mackenzie Blackwood.

It will be interesting to see what they do with him. They’re such an impulsive team, you just never know.

Personally I don't think Vegas would want to send him to Edmonton

 

[Petes2424]

Personally I don't think Vegas would want to send him to Edmonton

Probably not and knowing Ken Holland he’s probably more interested in trading for Magnus Hellberg after his game tonight anyway. He did go undefeated this year. Lol.

I’m never going to figure out his goalie logic. Maybe because he was a goaltender. Halak as a UFA just isn’t going to cut it this summer.

LD and CM are going to start making waves if he doesn’t address it this summer. For real.

 

[johnsic]

Lehner to Caps for Hagelin and Samsonov.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Just a reminder that he has an 8 team NTC. Could be worse to work around but I’m guessing he’s not going to AZ.

that's not actually that bade that gives them 24 teams to work with