Speculation: *Rifai vs. Liljegren. It's a thing and it's happening.

[ULF_55]

I don't think Rifai is the answer either. Better defensively but doesn't move the needle.

I was just alluding to lily being done here. 3 million for a guy that is marginally better then some of the D lower in the lineup is too much. He's had chances, he's gotten some pay raises, when are we going to see the results to match from him?

He hasn't ever played under this size of a Cap.

I think it would be a mistake, but that's only because it usually is from the Leafs.

 

[robertmac43]

He hasn't ever played under this size of a Cap.

I think it would be a mistake, but that's only because it usually is from the Leafs.

I can see that side for sure.

Lily is just a such a tough player to pin down for me. I've been incredibly high on him over the years and equally as low.... I guess that partly shows his inconsistency. Feels like this year is the final chance for him to put it all together in the blue and white.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

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I mean anyone who thought he was good liked his effort and must have missed his play.

There is nothing to support him being good.

Its a depht D who played ask to play like a top 3 D in NHL and playing like tanev will do this season. You just can't expect he will play like Tanev, its unrealistic
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So basically he played bad but you have an excuse for him so he played good. He played very poorly in the playoffs. But then McCabe played poorly in his 1st playoffs.

 

[ULF_55]

I can see that side for sure.

Lily is just a such a tough player to pin down for me. I've been incredibly high on him over the years and equally as low.... I guess that partly shows his inconsistency. Feels like this year is the final chance for him to put it all together in the blue and white.

My thoughts as well.

If they let him go, and he starts to play with his 200 games experience, and Leafs are back at square one with an older defender with less experience ... we get some laughs out of it.

If he doesn't take that step, Leafs can still move him and will have those older guys hanging around.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

That above average guy already got away. He's Sean Durzi. Liljegren, like others say, is just a guy.

In fairness to Duby....he tried to give them Lilly in that deal from what was reported...but the shine was coming off too fast for the Kings to bite.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

sorry. not bias says

Ha

I didn't watch very much of Dallas last season to comment on Hakanpaa. I had to do research to see what writers/scouts were saying about him.

I just can't stand it when people prop up their favorite players by putting down others with lies ("crossing checking").

 

[DarkKnight]

If the numbers tell you Timmins was good defensively, I'd check my numbers.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Thing about Liljegren is that he needed to come into camp with his hair on fire like Robertson has. I don't know if he assumes he's guaranteed a spot because of his contract but he is not viewed in the same tier as Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Rielly, Tanev, McCabe, etc. He's already got a lot going against him being a bit undersized and having been healthy scratched the past couple postseasons (egregiously imo but the fact still remains Keefe scratched him). He should've been playing balls to the wall and trying to take over games and he just hasn't.

 

[rumman]

You won't get much for a $3 mil 6th dman.The Leafs routinely overspend in the wrong places. We need another C but Jarnkrok. Kampf and Liljegren eat up all that cap. Politics says Liljegren and pray Berube can salvage him.

It was idiotic to sign him tobthat contract…..

 

[diceman934]

We are moving one D man who will not clear waivers and Lilly looks like the answer.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Didn't any of the Liljegren Apologists get nervous when Toronto put him with the B Squad? The way people talk about him it's as though he's a lock. I don't think so.

 

[tmlfan98]

Didn't any of the Liljegren Apologists get nervous when Toronto put him with the B Squad? The way people talk about him it's as though he's a lock. I don't think so.

Not a Liljegren apologist, but I think they only put the Rifai-Liljegren pair with the B squad so they could give them top pair deployment that night aka trial by fire for the possible 3rd pair.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Not a Liljegren apologist, but I think they only put the Rifai-Liljegren pair with the B squad so they could give them top pair deployment that night aka trial by fire for the possible 3rd pair.

Well yeah. Why is someone who is considered "a top 4D", or a "depth piece", be on trial?

 

[tmlfan98]

Well yeah. Why is someone who is considered "a top 4D", or a "depth piece", be on trial?

"Trial by fire" is an expression, I didn't mean it literally. And I said trial by fire because the Rifai-Liljegren pair would never be expected to see top pair minutes in a regular season game.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

"Trial by fire" is an expression, I didn't mean it literally. And I said trial by fire because the Rifai-Liljegren pair would never be expected to see top pair minutes in a regular season game.

Yes I know. Lil should not be having to prove he can pass tests.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Thing about Liljegren is that he needed to come into camp with his hair on fire like Robertson has. I don't know if he assumes he's guaranteed a spot because of his contract but he is not viewed in the same tier as Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Rielly, Tanev, McCabe, etc. He's already got a lot going against him being a bit undersized and having been healthy scratched the past couple postseasons (egregiously imo but the fact still remains Keefe scratched him). He should've been playing balls to the wall and trying to take over games and he just hasn't.

He’s basically the same size as Rielly and Tanev, his entire problem is mental.