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Speculation: *Rifai vs. Liljegren. Rifai Clears. Liljegren healthy scratch.

With the winds of change blowing through the Scotiabank Arena, who will be their 6th D?

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LeafSteel

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Leafs and Liljegren both need him to take a solid step in his development.

Keefe wasn’t the one to build him up. Hopefully Berube gives him the opportunity to realize his potential.

Top 4RHD is something we need from Liljegren desperately. If he can deliver, his contract is a value contract.

With our dearth of a RHD pipeline, Liljegren needs to put it all together for all of our sakes.
 
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LeafSteel said:
Leafs and Liljegren both need him to take a solid step in his development.

Keefe wasn’t the one to build him up. Hopefully Berube gives him the opportunity to realize his potential.

Top 4RHD is something we need from Liljegren desperately. If he can deliver, his contract is a value contract.

With our dearth of a RHD pipeline, Liljegren needs to put it all together for all of our sakes.
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He was probably drafted too high and has always been thought of as a bottom pair D. He’s never been fast, but he hasn’t been strong enough, and maybe with added weight he’ll improve. He’s played under 200 games.

The biggest issue is the GM forgot there was a salary cap when he signed him.
 
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So wishful thinking on an erroneous narrative. Got it. ;)
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There will be a cap casualty soon. At this point it's only speculation. "Speculation" is thread prefix which is 1 fact. The only other fact is that Liljegren is being paid 3 million.

Whether Treliving feels that it's too pricey for a number 6 D, and that cheaper options are available within the organization to use. Well...that we can only speculate.
 

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It was seven years ago and he has outplayed any dman from that draft who isn't named Makar or Heiskanen.
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I’m not saying he’s a bad pick I’m saying he hasn’t been good. He needs to take a major leap forward immediately or it’s time to write him off. He’s a major liability defensively and provides nothing offensively
 
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Coach and GM can do whatever they want with the bottom pairings and middling players. Sometimes it's Stralman, sometimes it's Dermott. Holding onto players because you're worried that they might be a decent player some day down the line is how you end up fishing the puck out of your net in Game 6 OT.

Liljegren is one of these middling players. If we let him go and he plays 20 minutes a night somewhere else for 800 games, good for him. The fear of a player succeeding elsewhere cannot be the driving force in making roster decisions, because you must build your roster with an idea in mind, not out of a fear drive. I understand that we're once bitten, twice shy on the whole Stralman thing, but idk why we're not thrice shy on Liljegren after his playoff performances. Guy's got some tools, but he's not a kid any more and he's not that good either.

If we keep him, we cheer for him. If we trade him, best of luck in the change of scenery. I see Frank Corrado on the TV nowadays and laugh when I think of how this fanbase dreams for our young D. Liljegren is better than Carrick, but not a whole lot tbh.
 
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He scored at pretty much a 40 pt pace last year? What are you expecting?
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It’s actually 34 Points over an 82 game schedule which is abysmal for any type of offensive dman. If we’re considering him that then he’s not even close to good. If we consider him a defensive stud he’s an absolute failure. I’d rather see Rafai get minutes and see what he can do. He’s been great and more of what the team needs.
 
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The guy was given #1 PP duties when Reilly was suspended for the cross check on that Ottawa prick.

During that time he played really well and the PP ran like a well oiled machine. As soon as Reilly comes back from my memory he no longer even got 2nd PP duties and his game went to shit (as did the PP).

Whatever happens to him I wish him well, and if he stays with us I hope he's not jerked in and out of the lineup and knows what role(s) the coach has in mind for him, because Keefe jerked him around incessantly and unnecessarily, which IMO ruined his confidence
 
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shaner8989 said:
Really liked Rafais game. Liligren I’ve been waiting on for a decade to be good. I honestly don’t know here
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Rifai is older of course, and really has no experience to speak of against NHL teams.

2 regular season games and a handful of preseason games may be how you judge an older prospect, but that doesn't mean you compare those games to playing against full NHL teams.
 
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shaner8989 said:
It’s actually 34 Points over an 82 game schedule which is abysmal for any type of offensive dman. If we’re considering him that then he’s not even close to good. If we consider him a defensive stud he’s an absolute failure. I’d rather see Rafai get minutes and see what he can do. He’s been great and more of what the team needs.
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Liljegren was 54th in production per game for all NHL defensemen last year (>10 games played) while getting limited powerplay minutes and less time on ice overall per game than 50 of those players ahead of him.

Long long ways from abysmal.

I think moving Liljegren would be a mistake. Give Berube some time to work with him and build his confidence. I think he’s just scratching the surface of his ability. Whether he’s ultimately able to put it together is anyone’s guess, but I don’t think now is the time to move him
 
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Liljegren was 54th in production per game for all NHL defensemen last year (>10 games played) while getting limited powerplay minutes and less time on ice overall per game than 50 of those players ahead of him.

Long long ways from abysmal.

I think moving Liljegren would be a mistake. Give Berube some time to work with him and build his confidence. I think he’s just scratching the surface of his ability. Whether he’s ultimately able to put it together is anyone’s guess, but I don’t think now is the time to move him
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Sypher04 said:
Liljegren was 54th in production per game for all NHL defensemen last year (>10 games played) while getting limited powerplay minutes and less time on ice overall per game than 50 of those players ahead of him.

Long long ways from abysmal.

I think moving Liljegren would be a mistake. Give Berube some time to work with him and build his confidence. I think he’s just scratching the surface of his ability. Whether he’s ultimately able to put it together is anyone’s guess, but I don’t think now is the time to move him
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If you look at just our team he’s way below Reilly and barely ahead of Timmons and McCabe in offensive production. Liligren cannot be considered an offensive dman at this point. Could that change? Ya maybe but times ticking
 
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Ianturnedbull said:
Stralman was an average player with an average career. Why do leaf fans care about the average players that got away?
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Wut. He was a shutdown defender on different teams that went deep multiple times. Average is every player on this team outside of the core. Liljegren is nothing like Stralman and never will be. Other than being Swedish which is the sole basis of the comparison.
 
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I prefer Rifai. Has goiod puck handling abiltities and is a physical presence. A dogg

Liljegeren still too vanilla and non-chalant for me.
 
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ULF_55 said:
If they deal Liljegren, you would think it would be for a better RD.

Robertson and Liljegren for experienced, youngish, 2nd. pairing RD.
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Liljegren and Timmins seem to be in direct competition, not sure why the op thinks it's Rifai.
Considering play and cap, Timmins may be the guy they keep.
 
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ULF_55 said:
And that would be risky.
26 years old and 91 games of experience.
Seems to be a lot of wishful thinking in this thread.
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Why would that "be risky"? Why do you consider that "wishful thinking"?
 
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With Doughty going down for a few months, would LAK give assets on Liljegren or Timmins?

Would a top 15-16 range 1st make sense? If LAK get the 15th or 16th pick in the draft, the 1st round pick moves to the following draft

In return, the Kings get Liljegren

It does have a problem as Clarke, Spence and Doughty would all be right shot D whenever Doughty got healthy but defense is always injured.
 
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