Rielly

[Dayjobdave]

I agree that if they can’t make a deal now they should move Rielly. I hope they do a deal but if not, trade him for something and sign Hamilton

 

[horner]

The D wasn't the problem against Montreal

The PP was.
He has no shot and it gets blocked all the time.

 

[horner]

Can some explain to me how we don't have one defenseman that can take a great slap shot.
Other teams seem to have multiple defenceman that can.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Dubas finally showing he's a NHL GM with this stance

Rielly either has a new long-term contract come training camp or he should be in another city getting ready to put on a new jersey for the first time

We can't and absolutely shouldn't be self-renting rielly. It would be a disastourous decision

Offer him 8 years 50M, works to basically his caphit + 1.2 Kessel retention (6.25M but close enough)

If he takes it we keep our 1D and best defenseman for the foreseeable future.

If not you shop him for a stud forward. I'd offer an extended Rielly to Chicago if he was willing to sign for Domnik Kuablik + their 2021 1st in this draft

This is the way.
It’s the Ryan Ellis deal. If he’s not willing to take that deal then you look and see what’s out there both in futures and “hockey deals”

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Can some explain to me how we don't have one defenseman that can take a great slap shot.
Other teams seem to have multiple defenceman that can.

We do have guys with great clappers. Muzzin, Brodie and even Reilly have good ones. Problem is, some propeller head thinks a weak wrister has a 5% better chance of getting tipped or something stupid like that. When players come here they seem to be told not to hit or shoot too hard...might offend the nets or even the opposition.

 

[socko]

We do have guys with great clappers. Muzzin, Brodie and even Reilly have good ones. Problem is, some propeller head thinks a weak wrister has a 5% better chance of getting tipped or something stupid like that. When players come here they seem to be told not to hit or shoot too hard...might offend the nets or even the opposition.

I was watching Pietrangelo in the playoffs and he reminded me so much of Nick Lidstrom. The way he uses traffic to camouflage his shot without getting it blocked. He would have been a huge get for us. Pair him with Morgan Rielly and you have a Stanley Cup caliber top pairing.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

We do have guys with great clappers. Muzzin, Brodie and even Reilly have good ones. Problem is, some propeller head thinks a weak wrister has a 5% better chance of getting tipped or something stupid like that. When players come here they seem to be told not to hit or shoot too hard...might offend the nets or even the opposition.

A great wrister like OV's is 76-79 miles per (avg guy around 65) and great slapper like Chara/Weber is 108-110 miles per (avg guy around 90-92) .. Muzzy around 100-102 which was hardest on Leafs (2 years ago) .. it makes a huge difference as tenders can't react as easily to extra speed .. but bigger issue is screen play at net front .. most of our guys don't want to get hurt playing net front .. it is how broken bones mostly occur .. when you live in front of net (I used to make a living doing it) you are gonna get hit once every 2 games sometimes more .. the ones you can see most of time are no big deal .. it is when a guy lets bomb fly and you are fighting with an attacker net front and maybe you get off balance and/or pushed and/or puck gets deflected and you take one square on ankle .. boom out for a week or month .. and when you come back you never come back full .. you come back not quite like you were before .. there is a price to be paid for this work .. and most of PP goals get scored because of this effort .. we lack both da shooters from point and people to pay da price at net front .. some of this is due to Tampa PP which we try to emulate .. but Tampa has Stammer and Kuch as a dual threat and even Hedman on point can hammer it and beat Price with no screen (as we all saw in final) .. Mitch and Rielly pose no threat at all unless there is a great screen

 

[KitchenSink]

I don't think this is about Reilly being a bad defenceman, he's a really good one. It's all about the salary cap and asset management. I think preference is to re-sign him to 6.5 aav or less. If he isn't willing to do that then it's best to trade him this off season to regain picks and/or prospects and sign a defenceman of similar capabilities who is willing to play for 6.5 or less.

You're not going to be able to trade him next off season for very much or at all just for negotiating rights. And you won't be able to trade him mid season because then you have to either make a "hockey trade" or drastically downgrade the d in the middle of a playoff race.

I love Reilly but the flat cap has screwed us and some tough decisions have to be made. The Leafs can't afford to keep walking players to free agency.

 

[ACC1224]

Is it possible the cap could go up after next season?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Is it possible the cap could go up after next season?

Not expected too .. 2021/22 and 2022/23 are expected recovery years (2023/24 is supposedly likely CAP may go up at least that is talk with kids) as owners equalize on their negotiated over payments on 50/50 CAP splits through escrow past 2 seasons .. but revenues come out in mid August in a regular year (maybe delayed this year with late season who knows) and then true ups normally occur

 

[ACC1224]

Not expected too .. 2021/22 and 2022/23 are expected recovery years (2023/24 is supposedly likely CAP may go up at least that is talk with kids) as owners equalize on their negotiated over payments on 50/50 CAP splits through escrow past 2 seasons .. but revenues come out in mid August in a regular year (maybe delayed this year with late season who knows) and then true ups normally occur

Thanks....so it's possible but not likely.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

A great wrister like OV's is 76-79 miles per (avg guy around 65) and great slapper like Chara/Weber is 108-110 miles per (avg guy around 90-92) .. Muzzy around 100-102 which was hardest on Leafs (2 years ago) .. it makes a huge difference as tenders can't react as easily to extra speed .. but bigger issue is screen play at net front .. most of our guys don't want to get hurt playing net front .. it is how broken bones mostly occur .. when you live in front of net (I used to make a living doing it) you are gonna get hit once every 2 games sometimes more .. the ones you can see most of time are no big deal .. it is when a guy lets bomb fly and you are fighting with an attacker net front and maybe you get off balance and/or pushed and/or puck gets deflected and you take one square on ankle .. boom out for a week or month .. and when you come back you never come back full .. you come back not quite like you were before .. there is a price to be paid for this work .. and most of PP goals get scored because of this effort .. we lack both da shooters from point and people to pay da price at net front .. some of this is due to Tampa PP which we try to emulate .. but Tampa has Stammer and Kuch as a dual threat and even Hedman on point can hammer it and beat Price with no screen (as we all saw in final) .. Mitch and Rielly pose no threat at all unless there is a great screen

I can understand a team with Phaneuf not wanting him to clap it because he could never hit the net...but you should green light Reilly and Sandin or Muzzin to use the clapper because it causes rebounds. A low hard shot from the point will bounce around (and even injure our own players) but it makes for Chaos in front of the net. How after so many years of this "Wrist shot is King" stuff...why are they not even open to trying the slap shot?

Most of the goals our D has scored has come from slappers ...yet they still don't want to use it. I know it all started with Babs and it's continuing for some reason.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I can understand a team with Phaneuf not wanting him to clap it because he could never hit the net...but you should green light Reilly and Sandin or Muzzin to use the clapper because it causes rebounds. A low hard shot from the point will bounce around (and even injure our own players) but it makes for Chaos in front of the net. How after so many years of this "Wrist shot is King" stuff...why are they not even open to trying the slap shot?

Most of the goals our D has scored has come from slappers ...yet they still don't want to use it. I know it all started with Babs and it's continuing for some reason.

Yep surely it is being coached that way for some reason .. it could be a simple injury based approach .. but who knows .. I don't like our PP .. it needs to change as we don't have personnel to replicate da Tampa PP

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Yep surely it is being coached that way for some reason .. it could be a simple injury based approach .. but who knows .. I don't like our PP .. it needs to change as we don't have personnel to replicate da Tampa PP

I keep saying that the way we play is rooted in a philosophy that has transcended coaching staffs. This must mean it comes from the top of the food chain. Too many players come here with an edge (Physical..slappers) and all of a sudden they stop. It could be because they don't want to rock the boat...but I think they are told from Day 1 that we play a certain way and to stick to the program.

I think this falls on Shanny firstly and then down the chain. It's a waste to try and go out and get players that are physical when you are going to neuter them anyway.

 

[PromisedLand]

I loved his playoffs however it’s easier to look competent against horrible forwards. Imagine him matching Sid or Geno if we faced Pittsburgh

I think Rielly has a history of performing well in the playoffs defensively.

1 against caps
2 against bruins
1 against cbj and then habs

rielly-hainsey pairing did keep the bergeron line from lighting us up in the playoffs even strength.

the only knock on Mo is his shot from the point especially on PP that IMO keeps him from becoming a solid no.1 d-man in this league.

 

[PromisedLand]

I agree that if they can’t make a deal now they should move Rielly. I hope they do a deal but if not, trade him for something and sign Hamilton

if take off my homer glasses and examine Mo's experience with this club then...

- Took a decent 5 year deal
- Played well; excellent character, leader on and off the ice
- bled blue and white

and then....

dubas and co. give out FAT contracts to the new shiny toys; make a newcomer "captain" (it should have been Rielly); now he is going to get shortchanged by the same management?

Like Hyman I will have ZERO problem if Rielly walks from the shit show that dubas has orchestrated

 

[deprw]

Don’t remind me of the days before Sheldon Keefe when this team pushed contenders to their limits lol. Now we can barely hold our own against some pretty weak teams

First weak team had one of the best team defenses in the league after 30 games or so last season. Second went into the Stanley Cup finals. Both weak teams fell to best team in the league that season.

 

[Stonehands1990]

First weak team had one of the best team defenses in the league after 30 games or so last season. Second went into the Stanley Cup finals. Both weak teams fell to best team in the league that season.

Columbus completely imploded this year. They’re not a good team we just aren’t smart enough to score playoff goals. Playoff goals are just pucks and bodies at the net

 

[deprw]

Columbus completely imploded this year. They’re not a good team we just aren’t smart enough to score playoff goals. Playoff goals are just pucks and bodies at the net

Why you talk about this years Columbus? 2019 - 2020 wasn't easy team to play against, but still we pummeled their defense and had tons of high scoring chances. We should have won that series, don't say that they were on paper better than us, but they weren't weak team 2019 - 2020 playoffs.

 

[rumman]

Why you talk about this years Columbus? 2019 - 2020 wasn't easy team to play against, but still we pummeled their defense and had tons of high scoring chances. We should have won that series, don't say that they were on paper better than us, but they weren't weak team 2019 - 2020 playoffs.

Coulda shoulda woulda……..but didn’t. Same old same old…….

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

if take off my homer glasses and examine Mo's experience with this club then...

- Took a decent 5 year deal
- Played well; excellent character, leader on and off the ice
- bled blue and white

and then....

dubas and co. give out FAT contracts to the new shiny toys; make a newcomer "captain" (it should have been Rielly); now he is going to get shortchanged by the same management?

Like Hyman I will have ZERO problem if Rielly walks from the shit show that dubas has orchestrated

I don't care much for regular season Reilly to be honest. But I do like his playoffs. I would be a hypocrite if I complained about Marner being good in the reg season and shit in the playoffs, while at the same time complaining that Reilly does the opposite.

I would resign him for $6m or lower in a heartbeat on a long term deal. but if he wants to wait until UFA to sign...I say goodbye this year before the season even starts.

 

[Sypher04]

The PP was.
He has no shot and it gets blocked all the time.

Blaming the powerplay on Rielly, as so many constantly do here, is a massive oversimplification and only serves to let the other 40 million dollars on the ice with him off the hook.

Rielly has been an effective part of that powerplay before and can be again, so it's clearly much bigger than Rielly has no slapshot

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Hopefully he’s gone in some way. Good riddance if it happens. Defense need to have a group of solid aspects. He doesn’t hold the right mix.

 

[deprw]

Coulda shoulda woulda……..but didn’t. Same old same old…….

Well you wouldn't say anything about anything, just whine, so why bother discussing with you.

 

[Bomber0104]

After the Heiskanen deal, we may as well trade Rielly.

We won't be able to afford him.