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It's embarassing that you'd even ask for one, but even then, i gave you one from the first result on a google search.

Please understand, this is common knowledge to anyone who has ever watched this tournament.

This is not a matter of debate, and the more you bring it up, the more ignorant you look.
 
zeke said:
It's embarassing that you'd even ask for one, but even then, i gave you one from the first result on a google search.

Please understand, this is common knowledge to anyone who has ever watched this tournament.

This is not a matter of debate, and the more you bring it up, the more ignorant you look.
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We've already been over that quote doesnt insinuate that the younger players deserved the spots.

Please find a quote that explicitly states that Team Canada plays worse players ahead of better players as a common practice.

Or continue dancing like you have been for pages now.
 
Ok, so surprisingly, it seems like more than one fan here is unaware of the common knowledge that this is considered a tournamnet for 19 year olds.

(remember, this does not mean that coaches sabotage their own teams by playing lesser players, but that it is simply tougher for 17 and 18 year olds to earn spots).

So fine, I'll spend the time to find some quotes for you....I'll do one more search this one will be: WJC Canada "tournament for 19 year olds", and I'll read you all the relevant quotes from just the first page of the google results.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=605423

NHL Central Scouting Director Dan Marr is quick to note that expectations of those young players are usually tempered.

"There's a lot of value if a [draft-eligible] player is able to play a regular role and contribute to the team," Marr told NHL.com. "But just the fact he's selected and chosen for the team is a positive for that player. I think what everyone needs to keep in mind and what NHL scouts understand is that this is a tournament for 19-year-olds, so just the fact a 17- or 18-year-old is selected is very impressive in itself.

"It's difficult for an 18-year-old to go in there and excel because it is a 19-year-old tournament."
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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...hampionship-canada-selection-camp-roster.html

"While the world junior championships are considered tournament for 19-year-olds, the selection camp will include 17-year-old forwards Nathan McKinnon and Jonathan Drouin of the Halifax Mooseheads."
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http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/43961-THN-at-the-WJC-Rising-and-falling-draft-stocks.html

"Though the World Junior Championship is widely regarded as a tournament for 19-year-olds, this year in particular has featured some of the top draft eligible talent available for 2012. These youngsters were given a huge stage to showcase their skills and the results heading into the final games have been mixed to be sure. ...."
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http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports...russia-matchup/article1357395/?service=mobile

"Yakupov is much watched by NHL scouts, but his performance here is a reminder that no matter what a player’s pedigree or upside may be, the world under-20 championship is a tournament for 19-year-olds. Evgeny Kuznetsov, the team captain and the player who managed a nine-point night against Latvia in the preliminary round, is far and away Russia’s best player."
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http://hockey.dobbersports.com/inde...12:wjc-the-most-wonderful-time-of-the-year&ca

"The annual IIHF World Junior Hockey Championship (WJHC) has been traditionally known as a tournament for 19-year-olds to shine and compete against the best teenage players in the world. "
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now can we stop the silliness?
 
zeke said:
Ok, so surprisingly, it seems like more than one fan here is unaware of the common knowledge that this is considered a tournamnet for 19 year olds.

(remember, this does not mean that coaches sabotage their own teams by playing lesser players, but that it is simply tougher for 17 and 18 year olds to earn spots).

So fine, I'll spend the time to find some quotes for you....I'll do one more search this one will be: WJC Canada "tournament for 19 year olds", and I'll read you all the relevant quotes from just the first page of the google results.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=605423



http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...hampionship-canada-selection-camp-roster.html



http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/43961-THN-at-the-WJC-Rising-and-falling-draft-stocks.html



http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports...russia-matchup/article1357395/?service=mobile



http://hockey.dobbersports.com/inde...12:wjc-the-most-wonderful-time-of-the-year&ca




now can we stop the silliness?
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19 year olds are typically better than 17 year olds.

I don't see a quote suggesting that these 17 year olds are better than their older counterparts.

This is all just a big conspiracy theory from you.
 
Why are you re-writing what I said to try and win an internet argument? why are you asking me to find quotes to support something I never said?

You were wrong.

And about something you really shouldn't have been wrong about.

and it was really silly of you to keep bringing it up over and over again.
 
zeke said:
Ok, so surprisingly, it seems like more than one fan here is unaware of the common knowledge that this is considered a tournamnet for 19 year olds.
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Also why Jones looking ordinary against the Russians isn't a huge deal. Certainly, he was only about 18 days away from being a 2012 pick, but he's still just 18.
 
Frankie said:
all you're doing is throwing out hypotheticals too. neither of us have any real knowledge of what's going on.
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I'm not throwing out hypotheticals based on how the game went because - and this is key - I watched the game. There is no "maybe he had a bad shift" and that's why he didn't play much in the third.

if you feel the coach isn't trying to lose, you must think he's simply too stupid to realize what he has in rielly. you think that's really a good possibility? keeping in mind its not just spott, but the team's assistant coaches, scouting staff, and entire wjc hockey canada brass. nobody may have told the coach how good rielly is? after seeing him so often over the past few months, they still haven't clued in?
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If, after a goal and two assists in the second period, a coach can't figure out to increase that player's minutes in the third period, well then yes, I start to question if maybe he's too stupid to see what he has in Rielly. In two in a half hours, I suppose we'll see if it continues vs. the United States. My feeling is that if Spott seems to refuse to play him at even strength vs Germany and Slovakia, he likely will vs USA and Russia. But I think that would be a mistake.
 
Bomber0104 said:
If they feared playing their top end forwards they wouldn't willingly send them over the boards to match up against him would they?

That would be pretty stupid of a coach...to put his top offensive weapons against a player that would just shut them down, in theory. Doesn't make sense right?

I dont think you understand what "last/home change" means

Very elementary hockey term.
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There's really NO evidence to suggest they do - and if they do, it's a very, very poor strategy since Rielly is least often on the ice for goals against.
 
All I am going to point oiut is that Rielly is by far the best player on his team.

Therefore he should be getting a tonne of TIO.
 
Gutchecktime said:
There's really NO evidence to suggest they do - and if they do, it's a very, very poor strategy since Rielly is least often on the ice for goals against.
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.I'd love to see some proof about how "some junior coaches" love putting out their top lines against Rielly. Whether or not he's seen MJ play, it's still a stretch considering MJ right now is playing with 3/4 different '95s and '96s on their blue line.
 
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Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters
Canada d pairings v USA: Harrington-Hamilton; Reinhart-Ouellet; Rielly-Wotherspoon; Murphy

Frustrating.
 
well, if those are right, seems like at least murphy has been demoted.
 
Gutchecktime said:
Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters
Canada d pairings v USA: Harrington-Hamilton; Reinhart-Ouellet; Rielly-Wotherspoon; Murphy

Frustrating.
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I really thought he'd crack the second pairing with Ouellete.

Looks like Murphy and Reinart are getting split duty to play with the super steady Detroit prospect.
 
Gutchecktime said:
There's really NO evidence to suggest they do - and if they do, it's a very, very poor strategy since Rielly is least often on the ice for goals against.
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Yeah, there's no line matchup stats on the internet.

That requires you to watch the games.

And coaches don't make decisions based on +/- statistics, they go by what they see on the ice.

Sorry but Edmonton, one example, LOVES rolling out St Croix and Lazar against Rielly and Brown.

Don't ask me why, just reporting what I am witnessing.

One things for sure...the coach isnt using those forwards so he can be disadvantaged with his home change.
 
Bomber0104 said:
Yeah, there's no line matchup stats on the internet.

That requires you to watch the games.

And coaches don't make decisions based on +/- statistics, they go by what they see on the ice.

Sorry but Edmonton, one example, LOVES rolling out St Croix and Lazar against Rielly and Brown.

Don't ask me why, just reporting what I am witnessing.

One things for sure...the coach isnt using those forwards so he can be disadvantaged with his home change.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if the WHL coaches intentionally try to get their top lines out against Rielly, it's not a strategy that appears to be working very well given that box scores seem to indicate he's not on the ice for many goals against relative to his ice time. Purposely putting your top line against the other team's best defenseman seems like a ****** strategy to me.
 
Gutchecktime said:
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if the WHL coaches intentionally try to get their top lines out against Rielly, it's not a strategy that appears to be working very well given that box scores seem to indicate he's not on the ice for many goals against relative to his ice time. Purposely putting your top line against the other team's best defenseman seems like a ****** strategy to me.
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Best offensive defenceman...note...not necessarily the best defensive.

A coach wouldnt put his players in positions to fail.

He's given up a fair amount of goals against.

Can't just look at the stat sheet for all your info.
 
Bomber0104 said:
Best offensive defenceman...note...not necessarily the best defensive.

A coach wouldnt put his players in positions to fail.

He's given up a fair amount of goals against.

Can't just look at the stat sheet for all your info.
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Name him.

And if you live in Ontario, are you paying for these games?
 
Gutchecktime said:
Name him.

And if you live in Ontario, are you paying for these games?
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Up until a few weeks ago Joel Edmundson was the shutdown d-man.

I'm not paying but I have a friend who is and i bum access and tune in to game from time to time, outside regular broadcasting.

Stat sheets dont tell you anything .

You gotta watch to have a credible opinion.
 
Bomber0104 said:
Up until a few weeks ago Joel Edmundson was the shutdown d-man.

I'm not paying but I have a friend who is and i bum access and tune in to game from time to time, outside regular broadcasting.

Stat sheets dont tell you anything .

You gotta watch to have a credible opinion.
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Well I watch the games live......and Morgan is the top D man on their PK.....you are not watching nothing if you are making this claim.
 
Is there something Spott is seeing in Rielly that nobody else does? He plays Murphy who has been garbage over Rielly who is clearly better. Rielly is even good in his own end. I do not get this preferential treatment.
 
Bomber0104 said:
Wasnt talking about the PK there bud
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Morgan is being played as their top D man.....period in all situations. I know the D man coach Mike Vandenberghe and watch many games live.
Mike is a former Hounds Jr Coach and one of reasons that Moose Jaw drafted him, he simply puts Morgan on the ice against all the teams best players and he gets a huge amount of ice time.
 
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