Player Discussion Rick Nash

[offdacrossbar]

To me Nash is a responsible player--there are times when he really seems to push the play but the entire league has his two moves figured out and it's really turned into an exercise in futility. The guy doesn't have it anymore as a for real offensive threat. He's turned into a third liner and his numbers lately are just ****ing pathetic. Kreider goes down and we need guys to step up and it should be clear now to all and sundry it ain't going to be him picking up that slack and as well he's taking up so much cap space that might have been better used elsewhere.

Anyway I find it interesting that people who hated on Girardi and Staal in at least great part for their cap hits will give Rick Nash a pass. When players stop being worth their cap hit then whenever possible they should be moved along. The argument could be made the Rangers weren't going to win a Cup as long as they had Girardi and Staal playing top pair minutes---I'll make the argument that we're not going to win a Cup as long as Rick Nash is relied on for top 6 offense.

The Rangers need to trade him ASAP--get what they can get. He has no real future as far as I can see with this team past this current year. I wouldn't re-sign him.

well said. welcome to the party.

been saying this for 2 years now.

all still true.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I do not think either team got a bad deal. I think it was a fair deal for both sides. With that said the deal doesn't even matter to me now. Only the recent past, present and future matter for me in regards to Nash.

Fine.

But if thats the case, you should be more concerned than ever with the situation.

 

[Ori]

Not all players decline at the magical age barrier at 30 years old - it`s generalising @silverfish . We can`t place all the women here, and all the guys in that top shelf, because they like apples, and they are not grapes kind of guys - especially blue grapes which is so tasty.

 

[Inferno]

That does not matter at all. You have to look at how many points per second while wearing blue laces and eating a hotdog. Didn't you learn that from Brandon Pirri and Adam Clendening? You may say 0 points in his last 10 games but how many of those games did he play scrabble before the game?

Never really thought youd be so obtuse like this....you're usually a good poster and not such a jerk so I'm gonna let this one pass.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Fine.

But if thats the case, you should be more concerned than ever with the situation.

I agree. I'm also concerned with his style of play. I really dislike when he refuses to make a forward pass to his linemates. He too often would rather go 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 than give the puck up to the open man.

 

[Inferno]

with his ability to shoot pucks slowly along the ice and into the goalies 6 hole, im not so sure he would ever score 20 again no matter who he's playing with.

Shooting pucks low on the ice is hockey 101 for generating rebound chances.

I am curious how much of his shooting pucks low thing is just people rmembering what they want vs reality...are their any trackers for this?

 

[will1066]

So are we holding Nash to a new and lower standard, such as that of a grinder who is considered to be performing when he gets the puck on net and generates rebound chances? I guess we should, because he is no longer an elite goal scorer. Such goal scorers shoot above glove level and pick corners and holes. When was the last time you saw Nash do that?

I'll have no problem with his salary burden if he can at least pick up some primaries from rebound goals by his linemates. I've said before that Vesey could make a killing if he parked in front the net and Nash put rebound shots on goal. Mostly, Nash's shots get eaten up, and the simple and straightforward game doesn't seem to be the type of game both Nash and Vesey want to play right now.

 

[Edge]

That Nash continues to get increasingly streaky shouldn't really be a surprise.

It's been a growing pattern for years. With time, the droughts have gone longer and the breakouts and have become smaller and less contained.

I've always made the argument that his decline noticeably started way back in the second half of the 2014-15 season. His numbers were bolstered by an amazing first half, but his production fell off a cliff starting in the second half of January.

At the time, there was a lot of push-back regarding that sentiment. But three years later, it is a very noticeable turning point.

 

[True Blue]

You are right. I'm leaving this thread, but this echo-chamber of bull**** takes that are flat out wrong is infinitely frustrating.

Come on, you are certainly better than this. People disagree with your point of view. Completely. That is not echo-chamber. That is called having a different opinion.

Some people just do not equate extrapolated states with hard ones.

 

[silverfish]

Nope. Not doing it.

Mods plz delete and I promise I won't keep making you do this. Sorry again.

 

[McRanger]

That Nash continues to get increasingly streaky shouldn't really be a surprise.

It's been a growing pattern for years. With time, the droughts have gone longer and the breakouts and have become smaller and less contained.

I've always made the argument that his decline noticeably started way back in the second half of the 2014-15 season. His numbers were bolstered by an amazing first half, but his production fell off a cliff starting in the second half of January.

At the time, there was a lot of push-back regarding that sentiment. But three years later, it is a very noticeable turning point.

That's not really true.

January 15th on: 3 goals in 7 games
February: 8 goals in 13 games
April: 2 goals in 4 games

February was his 2nd highest goal scoring month. And his highest point scoring month.

There was really just one stretch in March where he didn't do much. 5 game pointless streak and 7 games with just an assist. Overall he only had 3 goals and 8 points in 15 games. His shooting percentage for the year was a ridiculous 13.8% but an equally ridiculous 4.8% in March.

14-15 is in many ways the opposite of this year. Especially the start. Nash undoubtedly played well but never seem to be controlling portions of the game but was very productive. This year he's been noticeable with generating chances but is... whats bigger than a snake? Anaconda bitten? Dragon bitten?

I like Nash but between his injuries and his production (or lack there of) never matching his play he can be infuriating at times.

 

[Off Sides]

Was an elite goal scorer for 60 some consecutive games from the start of 14-15, about ~49 goal per 82 games pace.

Besides that time period he has been a good scorer, but not what I'd call elite, about ~27 goals per 82 games.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Was an elite goal scorer for 60 some consecutive games from the start of 14-15, about ~49 goal per 82 games pace.

Besides that time period he has been a good scorer, but not what I'd call elite, about ~27 goals per 82 games.

We should not leave out half the equation in producing goals. Its great to score goals but to be an elite player you usually (not always) have to be able to set other folks up regularly as well.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Shooting pucks low on the ice is hockey 101 for generating rebound chances.

I am curious how much of his shooting pucks low thing is just people rmembering what they want vs reality...are their any trackers for this?

well yeah sure but anything hard on net from any angle can and will create opportunities. rebounds, deflection, tip ins, redirects. not just along the ice.

nash shoots it along the ice because he cannot elevate the puck. big difference.

but again, the excuses for this guy continue to flourish non stop.

 

[Inferno]

well yeah sure but anything hard on net from any angle can and will create opportunities. rebounds, deflection, tip ins, redirects. not just along the ice.

nash shoots it along the ice because he cannot elevate the puck. big difference.

but again, the excuses for this guy continue to flourish non stop.

if you REALLY think that an NHL player whose scored 425 goals in the NHL cannot elevate the puck....I don't even know what to say...

 

[McRanger]

We should not leave out half the equation in producing goals. Its great to score goals but to be an elite player you usually (not always) have to be able to set other folks up regularly as well.

If you add in assists Nash was 20th overall in points in 14-15. 8th highest winger.

Its depends on your definition of elite but those are good numbers.

 

[Ori]

I know what you mean @silverfish - I was just teasing you and not too serious.

 

[NickyFotiu]

If you add in assists Nash was 20th overall in points in 14-15. 8th highest winger.

Its depends on your definition of elite but those are good numbers.

He had a very strong season in 2014/15. He should be given props for that and for his first season here but what about 3 possibly going on 4 less than 40 point seasons in the last 5 years?

 

[offdacrossbar]

if you REALLY think that an NHL player whose scored 425 goals in the NHL cannot elevate the puck....I don't even know what to say...

watch him.

i dont care what he did before. its what he cant do today that matters and he cannot shoot the puck. period.

he has perhaps the worst shot on the team and his ability to lift the puck with purpose is lacking. badly.

is there anyone that misses more chipys than he does ? i mean, elevate the puck man. geez.

 

[McRanger]

He had a very strong season in 2014/15. He should be given props for that and for his first season here but what about 3 possibly going on 4 less than 40 point seasons in the last 5 years?

You responded to a post that stated Nash had elite number in 14-15 and not elite numbers other years by saying we need to factor in assists before we call someone elite.

Was that not in reference to 14-15?

 

[Ori]

It has been frustrating with Nash, but he had some good seasons here - and those who follow him closely and maybe own a t-shirt of Nash must be even more frustrated. He could still play a decent 3rd line role, but AV recently give him 1st line and sometimes top minutes. And it was like that last year with Marc Staal when AV gave him 2nd pairing minutes, but he adjusted and put Staal with Skjei on the 3rd pair, and Marc playing a lot better role with limited minutes.

 

[Inferno]

watch him.

i dont care what he did before. its what he cant do today that matters and he cannot shoot the puck. period.

he has perhaps the worst shot on the team and his ability to lift the puck with purpose is lacking. badly.

is there anyone that misses more chipys than he does ? i mean, elevate the puck man. geez.

sure man...you be you. saying an NHLer and borderline hall of fame player can't lift a puck..
sure.

why not.

im not an nhler and everything i shoot seems to give like2-3 feet over the net...but Rick Nash...yeah, he cant lift the puck. you dont come across like...
ok i'm just going to stop here before i go too far.

im not even arguing that nash hasnt had a miserable season..he clearly has (statistically for sure)...but this would be like me saying that eli manning can't throw a ball more than 10 yards. do you know how moronic i would sound if i said that?

 

[Off Sides]

Nash can lift the puck just high enough to hit the crest on the goalie's sweater. I have seen it, I swear.


Just a little joking.

 

[McRanger]

Nash can lift the puck just high enough to hit the crest on the goalie's sweater. I have seen it, I swear.


Just a little joking.

Or hit the crossbar.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I actually believe that if he were riding shotgun to a Crosby or a Toews, you would see a different player.

#177. It's Crosby's fault