Player Discussion Rick Nash

[McRanger]

Nash signed the contract in 2009 when he was 25.

I don't think anyone, including the Blue Jackets, expected Nash to still be worth a 7.8 million cap hit almost 9 years later.

When you sign a player to an 8 year deal you pay for the first few years and hope the last few are serviceable or at least aren't a disaster.

 

[haohmaru]

He’s not pulling his weight... not close.

Contract or 2 goals last game or not.

He’s not as advertised or even close to contract value.

Staal is closer at this point and what does that say???

Staal is playing closer to value than Nash? That's almost funny.

Everyone is talking about trading Rick Nash because he still has value.

Everyone is talking about buying Staal out (because no right minded GM on Earth would take on that contract).

Which guy is playing more to contract value and actually has value again? It's not Staal. And, like I said somewhere else, Staal isn't playing like the dumpster fire that he was for the last 4-5 month last year. He's actually been okay.

 

[Jauffre]

The current Nash norm seems to be 25/20. He still gets chances but he just doesn't have the finishing ability to pot more goals. He used to have a better wrist shot, and release in general. He used to be better in tight with the puck. During the first two-thirds of his 42-goal campaign, he was even dangling guys.

It's just sad to see him now as far as scoring goes. I mean he's still a good two-way player, and a very important one for us. Count me in for keeping Nash and re-signing him to a 2-year contract worth 6M total.
Unless of course the return is good. Considering we'll (definitely) be retaining salary, a 1st Rdr. & a viable defenseman would be amazing, no?

 

[Irishguy42]

Leads the team in SOG. They were bound to,start going in. SH% usually regresses.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Everything people don't like about him is in regard to the playoffs. I don't understand how this message gets lost in every official and amateur stat people pull out about the regular season. The Rangers were at the bleeding edge of a cup, something very rare for RangersTown™.

I am aware that he has scored a lot in the regular season over his career.

He wasn't brought here as the missing piece because the Rangers were having trouble in the regular season.

 

[offdacrossbar]

the better he plays, the better the chance that we maximize value and move him.

he played well the other day, going to the net and jaming home goals. thats his game now and his new role will be net front presence guy. thats where hell earn his paycheck. i would play him on the pp ninth CK role on the 2nd unit. stand there and profit.

that same old butt move is a sad reminder of how little he's got on the rush any more. that part of his game has past. whenever he's got the puck on a break it usually ends in a head shake and a wtf ?

its only a matter of time before he's moved. the return needs to be maximized. move him when his value is high.

 

[Leonardo87]

the better he plays, the better the chance that we maximize value and move him.

he played well the other day, going to the net and jaming home goals. thats his game now and his new role will be net front presence guy. thats where hell earn his paycheck. i would play him on the pp ninth CK role on the 2nd unit. stand there and profit.

that same old butt move is a sad reminder of how little he's got on the rush any more. that part of his game has past. whenever he's got the puck on a break it usually ends in a head shake and a wtf ?

its only a matter of time before he's moved. the return needs to be maximized. move him when his value is high.

Moving Nash would hurt this team more than help them presently. If there was no cap, no one would care as much that he is overpaid. I for one would like to see Nash stay here on a two year deal making around 3 to 4 million.

 

[McRanger]

Nash being traded is a possibility as long as the team isn't at or near the top of the East.

If they're completely out of it he'll get moved for futures. If they are still in it they will either keep him or move him in a deal similar to the one they got for Gaborik. I dont see them moving him for picks/prospects if they are in a playoff position.

 

[True Blue]

I dont see them moving him for picks/prospects if they are in a playoff position.

I agree. If they are sniffing the playoffs, he is not going anywhere.

 

[Ori]

Well what @Ori said is not always that important though. I`ve a brief memory similar to a squirrel, and easy predictable like a kitten an early morning patience waiting for his milk. I need to write a list before I go the general store otherwise I forget things, and I can easily be hyped up by game on game performances.

 

[torirose1998]

Nash being traded is a possibility as long as the team isn't at or near the top of the East.

If they're completely out of it he'll get moved for futures. If they are still in it they will either keep him or move him in a deal similar to the one they got for Gaborik. I dont see them moving him for picks/prospects if they are in a playoff position.

He's def gone after this season so just keep him

 

[Cassano]

Everything people don't like about him is in regard to the playoffs. I don't understand how this message gets lost in every official and amateur stat people pull out about the regular season. The Rangers were at the bleeding edge of a cup, something very rare for RangersTown™.

I am aware that he has scored a lot in the regular season over his career.

He wasn't brought here as the missing piece because the Rangers were having trouble in the regular season.

Not sure how or why Nash got this reputation of being a good playoff performer prior to his trade to NYR.

 

[Matz03]

Nash being traded is a possibility as long as the team isn't at or near the top of the East.

If they're completely out of it he'll get moved for futures. If they are still in it they will either keep him or move him in a deal similar to the one they got for Gaborik. I dont see them moving him for picks/prospects if they are in a playoff position.

I have a feeling they will again make that mistake, lose a good asset for nothing just because they're close enough in the standings to be a bubble team. Smart asset management would be to trade him to a contender, eat half of his cap hit, and recoup a first round pick + a prospect. The only argument against that could be if they're top 2-3 in the league and look like actual contenders.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I have a feeling they will again make that mistake, lose a good asset for nothing just because they're close enough in the standings to be a bubble team. Smart asset management would be to trade him to a contender, eat half of his cap hit, and recoup a first round pick + a prospect. The only argument against that could be if they're top 2-3 in the league and look like actual contenders.

bingo.

 

[NYR Viper]

I have a feeling they will again make that mistake, lose a good asset for nothing just because they're close enough in the standings to be a bubble team. Smart asset management would be to trade him to a contender, eat half of his cap hit, and recoup a first round pick + a prospect. The only argument against that could be if they're top 2-3 in the league and look like actual contenders.

I'd be hopeful that the team could think of a couple of moves. Trade out the pending UFA's and possibly find some guys who they feel may fit this system and who could re-sign or are signed for next season.

A good example of this would be Roussel from Dallas if he is moved. Or Komarov from Toronto if he is moved.

 

[Matz03]

I'd be hopeful that the team could think of a couple of moves. Trade out the pending UFA's and possibly find some guys who they feel may fit this system and who could re-sign or are signed for next season.

A good example of this would be Roussel from Dallas if he is moved. Or Komarov from Toronto if he is moved.

Finding some guys likely means trading away your own picks, not a fan of this unless your trading for near NHL ready or young NHLers but those guys don't usually come cheap. Ideal scenario might be trading a Nash, recouping a good pick and getting a prospect who might be ready to step in right away. Same with Grabner, getting a prospect ready to step in right away.

 

[NYR Viper]

Finding some guys likely means trading away your own picks, not a fan of this unless your trading for near NHL ready or young NHLers but those guys don't usually come cheap. Ideal scenario might be trading a Nash, recouping a good pick and getting a prospect who might be ready to step in right away. Same with Grabner, getting a prospect ready to step in right away.

I would do that as well. If this team is on the bubble, maximizing an asset is a good idea. In saying that this team is also not blowing it up. If they can find a guy who they have liked for a little while and can bring him in for not a lot (say Roussel costs Nieves + 3rd) knowing they want to re-sign him, I'd be totally fine with that.

Trade Nash for 1st + prospect
Trade Nieves + 3rd for Roussel
Re-sign Grabner

The team would have better depth next year by keeping Grabner and re-signing Roussel and they add a 1st + prospect

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Not sure how or why Nash got this reputation of being a good playoff performer prior to his trade to NYR.

I am floored. This is the best one yet, and I will add it to the list.

77. Hey no one said he was good in the playoffs.

 

[will1066]

Well what @Ori said is not always that important though. I`ve a brief memory similar to a squirrel, and easy predictable like a kitten an early morning patience waiting for his milk. I need to write a list before I go the general store otherwise I forget things, and I can easily be hyped up by game on game performances.

This is, possibly, the greatest non-team-related post ever.

 

[Cassano]

I am floored. This is the best one yet, and I will add it to the list.

77. Hey no one said he was good in the playoffs.

They said he would do better, but they were wrong.

He was pretty crappy in big games in his career. Always carried by superior linemates in international hockey when it's best on best. He plays himself off the top line nearly every OG tournament.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I would do that as well. If this team is on the bubble, maximizing an asset is a good idea. In saying that this team is also not blowing it up. If they can find a guy who they have liked for a little while and can bring him in for not a lot (say Roussel costs Nieves + 3rd) knowing they want to re-sign him, I'd be totally fine with that.

Trade Nash for 1st + prospect
Trade Nieves + 3rd for Roussel
Re-sign Grabner

The team would have better depth next year by keeping Grabner and re-signing Roussel and they add a 1st + prospect

exactly.

i love the idea of keeping grabner. his game seems to stay consistent and that speed continues to be an dangerous weapon.

nash and a sweetener plus some retained $$ for a nice haul ie. a 1st and a ready forward prospect.

i would keep nieves tbh. he's from the cuse and also, he's got substantial upside as a 3/4c. he's big, fast and defensively aware. hell be an affordable piece going forward.

 

[McRanger]

Not sure how or why Nash got this reputation of being a good playoff performer prior to his trade to NYR.

He didn't have that reputation. He only played in 4 career playoff games before becoming a Ranger.

He had the reputation of being a very good player, period. Because he was a very good player. And, assuming his brain hasn't been smashed in a couple of times recently, he tends to be a very good player for the Rangers.

 

[McRanger]

I have a feeling they will again make that mistake, lose a good asset for nothing just because they're close enough in the standings to be a bubble team. Smart asset management would be to trade him to a contender, eat half of his cap hit, and recoup a first round pick + a prospect. The only argument against that could be if they're top 2-3 in the league and look like actual contenders.

I see what you're saying, but this isn't fantasy hockey. No team is going to trade themselves out of the playoffs, ever.

If they were going to move Nash for futures they needed to do it in the summer. Or be out of the race.

 

[NYR Viper]

I see what you're saying, but this isn't fantasy hockey. No team is going to trade themselves out of the playoffs, ever.

If they were going to move Nash for futures they needed to do it in the summer. Or be out of the race.

San Jose did it a few years ago when they moved both Clowe and Murray and were in the playoff race.

 

[will1066]

He still has a limited NTC, no?