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I think i huge problem is him with Stepan. He has ZERO chemistry there... there is some with Kreider, but there's a reason that the power play is Kreider-Stepan-MSL...

Gaborik got run out of town for the same reason, so as much as I'd like to fault Nash, we cannot overlook the fact that there is no real #1 centerman on this team...

I think if we address that, then Nash automatically becomes a better scorer.
 
CJCNYR said:
He is slumping in scoring which if you read earlier posts, similar to stretches Toews and Gabby has had in the playoffs. Do you think he honestly cares if he is scoring? He said he wants to win and guess what, he wasn't scoring and we were winning.


If it was not for Nash, the Rangers wouldn't be even playing "when it matters"


We should absolutely get rid of Nash. [:)] Consistent 30+ goal scorers are very replaceable. [regular season]

Lets all run him out of town like Gabby and then wish he was back on the team.
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I've read your regurgitation of the same material in every one of your responses.

Do you think it's ok that, as you said, our supposed be top scorer doesn't care if "he's not scoring?"

There are a lot of players who are playing their hearts out on this team who have a lot less natural talent than Nash, yet you think that if he didn't start resembling a NHL player for the last 10 games, the Rangers wouldn't have made any progression.

He's not fulfilling the role he was supposed to do. There are a lot of average two way players who cost a lot less and the team's offense wouldn't need to be structured around them.

AV doesn't even want Nash on the power play.
 
Rangers ran Gaborik out of town and got more successful so why should we worry about losing Nash ?
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
I've read your regurgitation of the same material in every one of your responses.

Do you think it's ok that, as you said, our supposed be top scorer doesn't care if "he's not scoring?"

There are a lot of players who are playing their hearts out on this team who have a lot less natural talent than Nash, yet you think that if he didn't start resembling a NHL player for the last 10 games, the Rangers wouldn't have made any progression.

He's not fulfilling the role he was supposed to do. There are a lot of average two way players who cost a lot less and the team's offense wouldn't need to be structured around them.

AV doesn't even want Nash on the power play.
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He doesn't care he isn't scoring because he is playing to win. You think a goal scorer wants to be put on the PK? No but he will do whatever it takes to win. Hockey is a team sport. I don't want guys skating around trying to over compensate for a lack of misfortune. And shooting 3% for Rick Nash is not common and I will point at a 2700 sample size that has proven otherwise.

Funny he fulfilled his role perfectly for the regular season and people want to pay 2.6 mil against the cap just to not have him on the team.

This team is not structured around him, it is to roll 4 lines and every one contribute. Very similar to LA. When you only rely on your best players to score you end up like the pens and caps.

AV doesn't want him on the PP yet trusts him on the pk and still plays him 17 minutes. And the fact you are pointing out he doesn't want Nash on the PP when he won't take Richards off isn't saying much. The PP is terrible and look at that, Nash has nothing to do with it. Maybe like the poster said above you, how about we start to look at other line-mates as well.
 
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I hope Nash cares if he's scoring or not. It would be his greatest contribution to this team and as a guy getting paid, what, $7.8MM a year, tops on this team I believe, he knows he should be doing something to differentiate himself and playing in a role in which he's not noticed isn't doing that. He should know that a timely goal by him in any of the last three games would have resulted in a vastly different series. And I'm not sure he fulfilled his role perfectly. For the amount he was paid, he scored 26 goals and tallied 39 points (and where did his assists go?). You can say it was in only 65 games, but first, I would hope for more production for that money. I don't extrapolate. If I pay a guy that money, I'm paying for more production. Can't be happy with 15 points and 10 games and extrapolate to a great season yet miss 72 games (yes, extreme example to make a point). He's not getting the job done in this series. I hope he would agree with that assessment and if not, I'm worried about him in the future. This doesn't absolve Richards. It doesn't absolve Kreider, or Stepan, or St.Louis, but this isn't about them. It's about Nash. To me, he just hasn't cut it thus far. [this is mostly in response to the comment "he doesn't care he isn't scoring...".
 
CJCNYR said:
He doesn't care he isn't scoring because he is playing to win. You think a goal scorer wants to be put on the PK? No but he will do whatever it takes to win. Hockey is a team sport. I don't want guys skating around trying to over compensate for a lack of misfortune. And shooting 3% for Rick Nash is not common and I will point at a 2700 sample size that has proven otherwise.

Funny he fulfilled his role perfectly for the regular season and people want to pay 2.6 mil against the cap just to not have him on the team.

This team is not structured around him, it is to roll 4 lines and every one contribute. Very similar to LA. When you only rely on your best players to score you end up like the pens and caps.

AV doesn't want him on the PP yet trusts him on the pk and still plays him 17 minutes. And the fact you are pointing out he doesn't want Nash on the PP when he won't take Richards off isn't saying much. The PP is terrible and look at that, Nash has nothing to do with it. Maybe like the poster said above you, how about we start to look at other line-mates as well.
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"He doesn't care he isn't scoring because he is playing to win. You think a goal scorer wants to be put on the PK? No but he will do whatever it takes to win. Hockey is a team sport. I don't want guys skating around trying to over compensate for a lack of misfortune. And shooting 3% for Rick Nash is not common and I will point at a 2700 sample size that has proven otherwise."

I have no idea what your saying. Are you saying he's taking one for the team by playing more defense?:amazed:

"Funny he fulfilled his role perfectly for the regular season and people want to pay 2.6 mil against the cap just to not have him on the team. "

Again, here you are with a the regular season ****! These threads on Nash are about his minimal impact on playoff games. Teams are supposed to be built for championships.

"This team is not structured around him, it is to roll 4 lines and every one contribute. Very similar to LA. When you only rely on your best players to score you end up like the pens and caps. "

The team was structured around his supposed offense that would put the Rangers over the top. That is why the team traded depth after they fizzled out in 2012. That is what the trade with Columbus was for. If the Ranger don't win the cup this year, we may be worse next year, and have the BlueJackets pull a leapfrog on us.

"AV doesn't want him on the PP yet trusts him on the pk and still plays him 17 minutes. And the fact you are pointing out he doesn't want Nash on the PP when he won't take Richards off isn't saying much. The PP is terrible and look at that, Nash has nothing to do with it. Maybe like the poster said above you, how about we start to look at other line-mates as well."

He doesn't want either of them on the power play. AV has shown he is an intelligent coach, so he's choosing to go with Richard's crappy work on the power play over Nash's that he has deemed to be worse.

Most of this team is playing as hard as it can. The naturally talented players need to bring the goals. They, including Nash, are not.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
"He doesn't care he isn't scoring because he is playing to win. You think a goal scorer wants to be put on the PK? No but he will do whatever it takes to win. Hockey is a team sport. I don't want guys skating around trying to over compensate for a lack of misfortune. And shooting 3% for Rick Nash is not common and I will point at a 2700 sample size that has proven otherwise."

I have no idea what your saying. Are you saying he's taking one for the team by playing more defense?:amazed:

"Funny he fulfilled his role perfectly for the regular season and people want to pay 2.6 mil against the cap just to not have him on the team. "

Again, here you are with a the regular season ****! These threads on Nash are about his minimal impact on playoff games. Teams are supposed to be built for championships.

"This team is not structured around him, it is to roll 4 lines and every one contribute. Very similar to LA. When you only rely on your best players to score you end up like the pens and caps. "

The team was structured around his supposed offense that would put the Rangers over the top. That is why the team traded depth after they fizzled out in 2012. That is what the trade with Columbus was for. If the Ranger don't win the cup this year, we may be worse next year, and have the BlueJackets pull a leapfrog on us.

"AV doesn't want him on the PP yet trusts him on the pk and still plays him 17 minutes. And the fact you are pointing out he doesn't want Nash on the PP when he won't take Richards off isn't saying much. The PP is terrible and look at that, Nash has nothing to do with it. Maybe like the poster said above you, how about we start to look at other line-mates as well."

He doesn't want either of them on the power play. AV has shown he is an intelligent coach, so he's choosing to go with Richard's crappy work on the power play over Nash's that he has deemed to be worse.

Most of this team is playing as hard as it can. The naturally talented players need to bring the goals. They, including Nash, are not.
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He has done a damn good job, using the body, being physical, playing great on the PK and back checking. His defense is actually noticeable in a good way and there are not too many guys you can say that on the team. He is a team player, of course he wants to score but guess what, the puck is not finding the net and it has not stopped him from helping the team win by playing well with other areas.


This thread is a Rick Nash discussion thread. Meaning his full body of work and when someone says he wants him off the team.... the does include the regular season. Yes teams are supposed to be built for championships and without Nash this isn't even a playoff team let alone a championship contender.


This is exactly the illogical thinking, if you truly thought adding one player was going to put us over the top, no wonder your expectations are unrealistic.

The Blue Jackets might leap us not from that trade but because they have been able to develop their young talent after years of sucking, not one Rick Nash trade.

AV doesn't want either on the PP yet I watched Richards play the full 2 minutes on the PP last night. So this thinking comes from what exactly.


If you don't understand goal scorers can go through funks like this you dont understand the game. Once again Gabby and Toews without even checking other guys have gone through funks and are some of the best players in the world. It absolutely sucks but it happens.
 
Aufheben said:
Would trade this guy for a taco. Most frustrating player I've ever seen.
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In a lot of ways, he embodies the team's lack of offensive versatility. Hes a very exciting player on the rush - had a couple of good rushes last night that he didn't cash in on.

But hes just horrendous in the corners and along the boards, and won't be caught dead standing in front of the net. Not a guy thats going to score you a dirty goal.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
In a lot of ways, he embodies the team's lack of offensive versatility. Hes a very exciting player on the rush - had a couple of good rushes last night that he didn't cash in on.

But hes just horrendous in the corners and along the boards, and won't be caught dead standing in front of the net. Not a guy thats going to score you a dirty goal.
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These days he's not a guy that's going to score many goals of any variety.
 
Abooch68 said:
Has anyone been talking about the line mates Nash has? In my opinion his line mates are the problem. I said earlier, look at who Gaborik is playing with compared to Nash.
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We said this exact same thing in Columbus for almost a decade. At some point the situation needs to be scrutinized and realize maybe, just maybe, it isn't the line mates. Rick Nash can be a dominant power forward when he wants to be. He simply appears to not want to do that on more occasions than not.

I was a big supporter of the guy for his entire tenure with the CBJ but the pattern appears to be repeating itself in NY now. The only difference is the CBJ was never good enough to make the playoffs to see what type of player Nash would be in the post season. Thus far he has not acquitted himself too well. Sometimes you may not want what you wish for. Playing in NY might not be all Nash had hoped for if his struggles continue. He's paid to score goals, big goals, and he simply isn't doing it.
 
So, Nash shrugs off his ****** percentages and scores 2 goals a game for the next 4 games, wins the Conn Smythe, and starts doing the Joe Thornton special at the parade, right?

I have a good feeling about this.
 
If 4 goals in 35 playoff games is "a funk" maybe you don't understand hockey. Of course you don't seem to understand how unreasonable it is to include Toews in an analysis of Nash's value, so I guess there is no point continuing.

Sorry if this is too long...I don't know how to do smileys...
 
Also, LOL at blaming Stepan for Nash's inability to score.

Whether you're on the "HE HAS TO SCORE" side or the unusually bad puckluck side, blaming Steps is nuts.
 
Nash is absolutely the poster boy for players that fail on an epic scale once they don the Rangers uniform.

His overall impact in this playoff run has been minimal, yet he continues to have his defenders.

Mind boggling.

They can quote stat after stat about how less than a handful of goals for a player paid $7.8 million is some how a good thing.

Amazing. Crazy. Really makes you wonder about the sanity of our fans sometimes.
 
Pizza said:
Nash is absolutely the poster boy for players that fail on an epic scale once they don the Rangers uniform.

His overall impact in this playoff run has been minimal, yet he continues to have his defenders.

Mind boggling.

They can quote stat after stat about how less than a handful of goals for a player paid $7.8 million is some how a good thing.

Amazing. Crazy. Really makes you wonder about the sanity of our fans sometimes.
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He's not failing on an epic scale after donning the Rangers uniform. He's doing exactly what he did for his entire career--not play up to expectations. Why should anyone have expected any more when he was traded? You have to wonder why a team would trade away the face of their franchise, just two years after giving him a new 8 year contract. They finally realized he's just not worth the kind of money he was being paid.
 
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