Value of: Rick Nash and a minor prospect/pick

[NateB19]

Looking for a RHD for Rick Nash and a prospect such as Jensen or Hrivik or a 3rd round pick

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[vipernsx]

What non Shattenkirk spam yet?

 

[SEALBound]

How about Kreider for Kunitz and Pouliot

 

[GoldiFox]

Nash (no retention) for Hurricanes 2nd + Brock McGinn

 

[Jared Dunn]

Desharnais + Emelin + 2nd for Nash

 

[JT Kreider]

We should not have to add to Nash. Retaining on him would increase his value enough.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Nash (no retention) for Hurricanes 2nd + Brock McGinn

We want the player we traded you.



Such an awful trade by Gorton. Eric Staal probably made our team worse.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Nash
Gropp

For

McCann
Pysyk
Ang

 

[jacks*]

Desharnais + Emelin + 2nd for Nash

Only if the Rangers retain 25 % of Nash's contract.

 

[Djp]

We should not have to add to Nash. Retaining on him would increase his value enough.

He has negative value now. Retaining gets him to net zero value

 

[Cootsfanclub]

He has negative value now. Retaining gets him to net zero value

He'll probably get a little more than the return Sharp got, I wouldn't give him negative value.

 

[Shootertooter]

Only if the Rangers retain 25 % of Nash's contract.

Nash is not going to Montreal. The Rangers don't want Emelin or Desharnais. No deal there.

 

[Cor]

Michalek + Greening + Hunwick + Holland for Nash.

 

[Shootertooter]

Nash
Gropp

For

McCann
Pysyk
Ang

I think the Rangers see Gropp as a Nash type of player in the future, I don't think they will move him.

 

[belair]

I think the Rangers see Gropp as a Nash type of player in the future, I don't think they will move him.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

I think the Rangers see Gropp as a Nash type of player in the future, I don't think they will move him.

Ok, then what about Kovacs?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Better post-draft numbers in the WHL than Jamie Benn

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

He has negative value now. Retaining gets him to net zero value

Redickulous

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Better post-draft numbers in the WHL than Jamie Benn

I must be missing something.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

We want the player we traded you.

Sorry, that ship has sailed.

 

[Savant]

Nash (no retention) for Hurricanes 2nd + Brock McGinn

No more forwards. D and/or draft picks only

 

[Irishguy42]

He has negative value now. Retaining gets him to net zero value

Yeah you don't know anything. Nash has pretty good value with retention.

 

[smoneil]

I'm one of the biggest Nash detractors around. I did not want to trade for him back when he was a Blue Jacket. I also think it's hilarious that about two seconds after he switches sweaters, he goes from "top 5 forward in the game!" on here to "negative value." Keep HF-ing, HFBoards.

That said, it would be idiotic to trade Nash right now. Idiotic. His value is on the low end as a result of his injured season last year. The time to move him is at the deadline--regardless of how the team is doing. Let him bounce back and score some goals and then deal him as a rental. He'd be gone in the expansion draft either way.

Why do we trade him right now? Because we have a lot of wingers? 70% of the wingers we have can (and probably should) spend a little bit of time in the minors still. Salary? His salary isn't hurting us one bit right now. The team actually still has a bit of a cushion.

Why move what could be a prime asset a few months from now right this second, when there is nothing really forcing the team's hand?

Wait--let the younger players get a bit of seasoning, and sell Nash as a rental during the season.

 

[bluetuned]

With some healthy salary retention Nash could have decent value. I'd take him on the Blues in that scenario, but it would probably have to be a weird deal for both sides to be happy. Something along the lines of Nash (with 3M retained) + for Shattenkirk and a lesser +.

If the Rangers are unwilling to retain salary then they're probably better off just keeping him, and that might be the case regardless. If he rebounds this year he'll be worth a hell of a lot more than he is right now.

He's just a massive gamble for a team to take him on at full salary. Sure, he scored 42 in '14-15, but is that the guy you're getting? He's 32, and in the two surrounding seasons he failed to reach 40 points.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm one of the biggest Nash detractors around. I did not want to trade for him back when he was a Blue Jacket. I also think it's hilarious that about two seconds after he switches sweaters, he goes from "top 5 forward in the game!" on here to "negative value." Keep HF-ing, HFBoards.

It has nothing to do with the sweater he wears.

1) He was a consistent 30G, 60 point player with Columbus. Now, he's had 2 bad seasons out of his last 3 in NY, including the worse of his career this past season.

2) He was 27 when he left CLB, he'll be 32 to start this season.

3) He never missed more than 7 games in a season his last 6 seasons in CLB. Yet he's missed 18 and 22 in two of his last 3 in NY.

4) While his cap hit is the same, his salary is escalating and he'll get $8M and $8.2M these next two seasons, the most he's ever been paid.

I watched him at the end of last season and do think people are putting too much weight on this past season, think he DOES have value (although at his salary/cap hit not as many teams can take him on, and also think he has more left in the tank, but his "perceived" value has nothing to do with the sweater he's now wearing. It has to do with the factors I listed above.