Resign Hyman Or Rielly you can probably only have 1
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Stephen
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I don’t think it comes down to Rielly vs Hyman. Or Andersen if you want to keep him.
I think Kerfoot would be the first middle class victim. And I know he’s playing injured with a bubble cage on so not totally fair but if Muzzin’s game slips over the next year he suddenly becomes a big luxury.
I think Kerfoot would be the first middle class victim. And I know he’s playing injured with a bubble cage on so not totally fair but if Muzzin’s game slips over the next year he suddenly becomes a big luxury.
TheBeastCoast
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Not only do you have room for both, you could add a guy like Rickard Rackell (retained) for cup runs this year and next and you could replace Kerfoot with a quality veteran depth forward...
Money out
Freddy Anderson: 5.0 million
Alex Kerfoot: 3.5 million
Total: 8.5 million
Money in
Zack Hyman raise: 1.75-2.0 million
Rickard Rackell: 1.9 million
1a / 1b goalie: 3.5 million
Total: 7.2-7.5 million
The following year Kessel's 1.2 million in retention comes off the cap at the same time as Mikheyev and Rackell expire. There will be plenty of money to give Reilly a raise if the Leafs want to extend him. Guys like Hallander, Anderson and Hallander become bottom 6 staples on ELCs at the same time that the likes of Mikheyev and Rackell expire.
123offtheglass
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Rielly.
But it all depends on the number. He'll likely get more than Krug while I could see Hyman who is already underrated signing an absolute bargain contract and in that case: Hyman.
no need to worry neither is going anywhere
But it all depends on the number. He'll likely get more than Krug while I could see Hyman who is already underrated signing an absolute bargain contract and in that case: Hyman.
no need to worry neither is going anywhere
Leaftors
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Exactly. Both are easily extendable with the cap margins Toronto has.
Hyman will get between 3.8-4.2 for term. He'll value a 5 year deal over an extra 500k.
Reilly's number will come in between 7.0-8.0, likely on the higher side of that.
Contracts that are expendable to retain them...
Freddy Anderson: 5.0
Alex Kerfoot: 3.5
Ilya Mikheyev: 1.65
Wayne Simmonds: 1.5
Phil Kessel's cap hit: 1.2
There is LOTS of money around the margins.
123offtheglass
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I could even see him signing the Krug deal not wanting to break the bank like Ryan Ellis did in Nashville to keep their team together. Ellis even signed for 6.25x8, even 7x8 would be fine, he shouldn't be chasing Pietro like money or relatively close to it. He could easily ask for what OEL got but that'd be too much.
My line in the sand would be something in the 7.75 range... Much more than that and you are forcing yourself to move on from a Muzzin or Brodie, or you're basically running ELC's and vet minimums at every forward position outside of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Hyman. Eventually you stretch yourself too thin.
That said, I firmly believe that a guy like Jake Muzzin might be someone you move on from 2 years from now anyways. Not because he's a bad player, but because you eventually have to play Sandin and Liljegren in the roles they were drafted for, while taking advantage of their entry level deals. I don't think it would be shocking to see one of them (or Dermott) playing in the top 4, 2 years from now.
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My guess is that they sign both Hyman and Mo (Both are integral part of the team and we need both of them)
Salary out next season:
Also I think we also trade a few guys from the roster for picks
Also I wonder how the expansion draft comes into play may also have an impact.
Hyman and Mo are both going to be re-signed IMO. Mo and Hyman both bleed blue they will be re-signed. The biggest issue is going to be goal tending IMO next season.
Salary out next season:
- Jumbo (Robertson replaces him)
- Simmonds (either we re-sign him or someone from marlies/UFA/waiver pick up)
- Spezza (Boyd probably replaces him)
- Bogo (Lily replaces him)
- Vesey (...)
- Freddy (don't have much faith in Campbell or Hutch to be #1 guy, we would need a starter)
Also I think we also trade a few guys from the roster for picks
- one of Holl or Dermott (Sandin replaces them)
- Kerfoot (Engvall replaces him as 3C)
Also I wonder how the expansion draft comes into play may also have an impact.
Hyman and Mo are both going to be re-signed IMO. Mo and Hyman both bleed blue they will be re-signed. The biggest issue is going to be goal tending IMO next season.
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Hyman has earned a higher contract elsewhere, if that is what he wishes. and good for him, he has improved noticeably as a player irrespective of the strength of the team he plays on.
I don't see keeping him unless it's at a discount, and certainly not at the cost of a major piece on defence. I'm not a huge Rielly fan, but although the D is finally solid this year I'm not sure our depth is as good as at forward. Rielly would be a significantly bigger loss.
I don't see keeping him unless it's at a discount, and certainly not at the cost of a major piece on defence. I'm not a huge Rielly fan, but although the D is finally solid this year I'm not sure our depth is as good as at forward. Rielly would be a significantly bigger loss.
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All fair, but to break it down a bit: If all those things happen unfortunately you don't save any real money on the first four (Robertson is more expensive than Joe, for example), and with Freddy you need another goalie coming in.
So if they get a starter in the $2.5-$3M range, that's a total savings of ballpark $3M over this year's roster. If Kerfoot is gone and you find a cheap replacement, that's another $2.5M in savings potentially.
With that $5.5M freed up and expecting a $2.5M raise for Hyman (at minimum) and possibly something similar for Reilly ($7.5M over 5, for example). So it can be done, but Dubas is going to grow old very quickly playing this close to the cap year after year while trying to please a fan base beyond desperate for playoff success.
Edit: To address the original question, if it came down to it, Reilly. Hate to see Hyman go and I'm confident he really, really wants to stay but if Dubas can't make it work then he's going to be a very unfortunate cap casualty for this team.
PromisedLand
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Add in Kessel's 1.5M retention coming off the books too. I think we might have a solid roster after re-signing both Hyman and Mo; but in goal we might be lacking.
If someone how we can find a Binnington or Murray (when he was good) cheap to carry us for a couple years that would be awesome!
Spirit of 67
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**$1.2M retained. To be accurate.
I think we can get similar goaltending for 1 - 2 million less.
The Binnington contract is great for teams looking for a goalie.
Hyman 8 years at 5M AAV heavily front loaded so he gets paid in 1st 3 years
Rielly 8 years at 5.5M AAV heavily front loaded so he gets paid in 1st 3 years
Both tax driven smart plans
Goalers we go with a platoon at max 2M per each and we will be fine
Rielly 8 years at 5.5M AAV heavily front loaded so he gets paid in 1st 3 years
Both tax driven smart plans
Goalers we go with a platoon at max 2M per each and we will be fine
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hamzarocks
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Both
This leafs team has found ways to make cap work. I know hyman wont take a crazy UFA contract that a typical player would get ( remember Bolland and Clarkson)
Rielly I think will come at 7ish and he is worth that money. 1.2M from kessel retention and hopefully cap goes a little up like even 500k would help.
Bettman said it wont move much next 4 years but if it goes even 2 million in 4 years (500k per year) it really helps us out
Andersen unless he takes 3M wont come back and the goalie we sign should not get more than 3M if we have to replace Freddy
This leafs team has found ways to make cap work. I know hyman wont take a crazy UFA contract that a typical player would get ( remember Bolland and Clarkson)
Rielly I think will come at 7ish and he is worth that money. 1.2M from kessel retention and hopefully cap goes a little up like even 500k would help.
Bettman said it wont move much next 4 years but if it goes even 2 million in 4 years (500k per year) it really helps us out
Andersen unless he takes 3M wont come back and the goalie we sign should not get more than 3M if we have to replace Freddy
ottomaddox
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I don't think an either or is possibly without knowing if Dubas is going to move Nylander or not.
Stinger8
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He has a full no-trade when Rielly needs to be re-signed. So you would have to budget for both in 2022-23
