Replace Salary Cap with Luxury Cap?

[DCHabitant]

There's a massive difference between taxes and all that you just mentioned... it's the way Vegas is signing players cheap at long-term. It's why Mark Stone makes more than guys like Connor McDavid, Alex Ovechkin, Sidney Crosby or Auston Matthews.

You don't know what they're actually making. Where's their official residence, how's the contract structured....? Unless you've got their tax returns, you're speculating.

Also those tax "havens" are not traditional hockey markets. They have less to offer in terms of additional revenue/endorsements than many high-tax locales--Toronto, Montreal, NY, Boston....

I guarantee you every one of the guys you listed makes more than Marc Stone.

 

[Neutrinos]

1. There is still a salary cap, but it removes almost all the risk of signing players for big market teams. Not sure if Perry still has anything left in the tank? No problem! Sign him to something that would be reasonable if he _did_ have something left in the tank. If he doesn't, just buy him out/release him and no harm done. Same thing every year to pick up all the reward with basically none of the risk (or at least, much less risk than a small market team would face).
2. Fair enough, it still seems possible, but I do see your point.
3. There is nothing stopping rich teams from robbing poor teams of their bad contracts. That was absolutely the leafs schtick a few years back, wasn't it?

1. Owners aren't usually in the business of wasting money. A GM probably wouldn't keep his job very long if he continually signed players only to release them before the contract ended
3. Exactly. Any team can rob any team at any time. That's how a free market works

 

[mouser]

Given all the major contracts are all signing bonuses, I don't see how the league has all that much leverage come the next cba to keep the hard cap. The players have negated the lockout impact.

The hard salary cap sticking around is not a given.

That’s complete pretzel logic at work.

 

[8LX7psQ]

Being nice? On HF Boards? Is that allowed?

This is a kiddie board.

 

[Razz]

That’s complete pretzel logic at work.

Oh really? So why do YOU think the players are securing SBs going into the next CBA then? I sincerely doubt they are in love with escro and superstars getting vastly underpaid compared to their counterparts in other leagues?

They are not happy with the cap system and are going to fight it. That's not pretzel logic, that's common sense given, oh I dunno two decades of fighting over it?

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Dude - can you let me know how you calculated your "after tax" amounts? Because I am sure you aware that NHLPA members (like all professional atheletes) must pay the state taxes where the games are actually played. So when Tyler Seguin plays a road game in Chicago, his salary for that game is taxed at the same 5% state income tax rate that Patrick Kane is. Players in low taxing juristictions still pay less tax (because they play all of their home games there) but it A LOT more complicated than just comparing the tax rates for the state/province where they live.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Oh really? So why do YOU think the players are securing SBs going into the next CBA then? I sincerely doubt they are in love with escro and superstars getting vastly underpaid compared to their counterparts in other leagues?

They are not happy with the cap system and are going to fight it. That's not pretzel logic, that's common sense given, oh I dunno two decades of fighting over it?

How many guys are getting massive signing bonuses, and how many are making league minimum to twice league minimum and no signing bonus at all?

One of those groups dwarfs the other in size, and one of those groups can't afford to sit out an entire season hoping to get the cap repealed. You're arguing for the same gamble Bob Goodenow made in 2004, and it failed spectacularly.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Thanks to signing bonuses Toronto is on the hook for well over the cap in actual dollars. Almost every deal they made has included paying portions of the actual money owed.

Good for Toronto but another example of how to get around the cap.

 

[SotasicA]

They should make the cap lower so every team would spend the same without problems.

 

[ShaneinTpa]

Drafting well is its own reward, not a “punishment”. Drafting poorly is the real punishment.

Was Pittsburgh really “drafting well” by getting Crosby and Malkin #1 and #2? Was Chicago really drafting well by getting Kane and Toews #1 and #3?

And no the PA wouldn’t be that happy about it because it treats players differently based on which team they were drafted by or traded to—something outside the player control.

Mouser restated, a team that drafts well is absolutely punished if they subsequently do not have the cap space to re-sign them. Examples you gave from Pittsburgh and Chicago are a given. But, they are not representative of the bigger picture outside of the top 5 to 10 annual first round selections.

The only reason the PA wouldn’t like it is because this approach lends itself to certain individuals not being able to easily get away from teams for whom they don’t want to play. But if they don’t want to play there there’s a pretty good chance they wouldn’t be re-signed anyway if they weren’t traded before. Most of the trades made in this league now are made for the sake of people trying to cover up for their mistakes. They are not hockey trades

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

The way I see it is, teams have to make tough decisions sometimes. You can't avoid it. So you might as well just do it and get it over with. It will be a much worse situation down the line if you don't face the situation now. You better decide, you don't want life to decide for you.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Thanks to signing bonuses Toronto is on the hook for well over the cap in actual dollars. Almost every deal they made has included paying portions of the actual money owed.

Good for Toronto but another example of how to get around the cap.

Wait, you mean that it's possible to pay out in actual dollars more than the cap dollars that get incurred? Why, I'm shocked at this!

I mean, besides the fact that this is how the cap system is set up in the first place - so that on the flip side, some teams can spend in actual dollars less than the floor and incur enough cap dollars to clear the floor. It's almost like over time, cap dollars and actual dollars should be [and pretty much are] one and the same.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Thanks to signing bonuses Toronto is on the hook for well over the cap in actual dollars. Almost every deal they made has included paying portions of the actual money owed.

Good for Toronto but another example of how to get around the cap.

They are not getting around the cap. The players are getting paid exactly what they are owed under the contract, and ultimately everything paid to players is included in the cap. The cap isn't about cash paid in any individual year, but rather over the term of the contract.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Provided he signed on with another team, Lucic would actually make more money each year

Oilers pay Lucic 6 million a year. He then signs with another team for 1 million, so he's now making 7 million a year

You should be arguing that every teams gets 1 compliance buyout every summer. That's actually a thing that makes any sort of sense.

 

[Neutrinos]

You should be arguing that every teams gets 1 compliance buyout every summer. That's actually a thing that makes any sort of sense.

Not sure what a compliance buyout is, but I see no reason to limit the number of players a team can release

 

[MasterDecoy]

Dude - can you let me know how you calculated your "after tax" amounts? Because I am sure you aware that NHLPA members (like all professional atheletes) must pay the state taxes where the games are actually played. So when Tyler Seguin plays a road game in Chicago, his salary for that game is taxed at the same 5% state income tax rate that Patrick Kane is. Players in low taxing juristictions still pay less tax (because they play all of their home games there) but it A LOT more complicated than just comparing the tax rates for the state/province where they live.

Thank f***ing god someone gets it