Rename the Selke.....the Bergeron

[therealkoho]

Why not call it the Gainey? Possibly the greatest defensive forward of all time, back when it wasn't taught.

came here to say exactly this

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Yea OP you are on to something

ROCKET ~ Ovechkin
Selke ~ Bergeron
Art Ross ~ Wayne
Hart Trophy ~ Gretzky
Norris ~ Bobby
Offensive Norris ~ Orr
Messier Leadership Award ~ Gordie Howe

I fully agree let's update the names.

 

[Killer Orca]

I get people like to update things but we should respect tradition as well. I'm one for keeping the names the same.

 

[Diglett]

Holy mackerel. Bergeron is quickly becoming one of the most overrated players ever.

 

[Creepingjeff]

Honor system: without looking it up, who was Frank J. Selke and why is his contribution to the defensive side of the game so respected that his name should forever be associated with the award for best defensive forward?

I know that he is a former coach and executive. Keeping it under his name and having someone look it up helps teach the history of hockey to those who would be interested.

Under the same argument, if I would look up Bergeron in 30 years, I would see he is a player that won the award a lot. He didn't change the way the game was played in anyway. I would not learn any history of the sport other than he won one trophy a lot, which I would have actually been able to see if I looked up the winners of the Selke at some point.

So lets say we name it after Patrice, when do we change it? Do we go by who wins it the most? What about when their is a tie for who has won it the most? Do we need to name it with both? For the yearly Messier award, that means it is named after 16 people now. Calder and Masteron are an even bigger problem. Are we in a better spot with the Lady Bing being named after Frank Boucher? Is the Vezina better as the Plante Award? The Jack Adams would be named after Pat Burns, who from all accounts was a lovely person and a great coach, he also only won one Stanley Cup. I think there are at least 5 coaches that you would put on there before him.

If we go because Bergeron is the most current really good defensive forward, when do we change it? Why are we going off of current as oppose to players such as Fedorov or Datsyuk who are fairly recent. Heck, Fedorov was good enough that his coach played him at defense.

It is creating a solution to something that isn't a problem to try and give unneeded extra recognition to a player for no real reason. Simply saying, "Bergeron has won the Selke for the best defensive forward more than anyone" is enough to say that "Hey, this guy was a really good defensive forward".

 

[Golden_Jet]

Bergeron, Hischier and Marner the 3 finalists.

 

[BigEezyE22]

Nah...Bergeron Trophy is a shitty sounding name.

 

[Romang67]

I know that he is a former coach and executive. Keeping it under his name and having someone look it up helps teach the history of hockey to those who would be interested.

Under the same argument, if I would look up Bergeron in 30 years, I would see he is a player that won the award a lot. He didn't change the way the game was played in anyway. I would not learn any history of the sport other than he won one trophy a lot, which I would have actually been able to see if I looked up the winners of the Selke at some point.

So lets say we name it after Patrice, when do we change it? Do we go by who wins it the most? What about when their is a tie for who has won it the most? Do we need to name it with both? For the yearly Messier award, that means it is named after 16 people now. Calder and Masteron are an even bigger problem. Are we in a better spot with the Lady Bing being named after Frank Boucher? Is the Vezina better as the Plante Award? The Jack Adams would be named after Pat Burns, who from all accounts was a lovely person and a great coach, he also only won one Stanley Cup. I think there are at least 5 coaches that you would put on there before him.

If we go because Bergeron is the most current really good defensive forward, when do we change it? Why are we going off of current as oppose to players such as Fedorov or Datsyuk who are fairly recent. Heck, Fedorov was good enough that his coach played him at defense.

It is creating a solution to something that isn't a problem to try and give unneeded extra recognition to a player for no real reason. Simply saying, "Bergeron has won the Selke for the best defensive forward more than anyone" is enough to say that "Hey, this guy was a really good defensive forward".

I'm gonna ask you to expand on that first paragraph. What history of hockey did you learn, exactly?

Since it was probably a thorough lesson, please tell me why his name is on the defensive forward of the year award.

Let's say we don't rename any trophies, and don't create any new ones, why is Frank J. Selke's history so important to tell in 50 years? Important enough to slap his label on a trophy that seemingly has nothing to do with his accomplishments. Why is it more important to the history of hockey than Gainey?

Seems like people just want to stick by tradition for the sake of tradition to me.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Yea OP you are on to something

ROCKET ~ Ovechkin
Selke ~ Bergeron
Art Ross ~ Wayne
Hart Trophy ~ Gretzky
Norris ~ Bobby
Offensive Norris ~ Orr
Messier Leadership Award ~ Gordie Howe

I fully agree let's update the names.

But Gretzky and Orr are old, and Howe is dead. Gotta be more with the times!!!

 

[nturn06]

Yea OP you are on to something

ROCKET ~ Ovechkin
Selke ~ Bergeron
Art Ross ~ Wayne
Hart Trophy ~ Gretzky
Norris ~ Bobby
Offensive Norris ~ Orr
Messier Leadership Award ~ Gordie Howe

I fully agree let's update the names.

I would also rename the Lady Byng - Bergeron

 

[Boris Le Tigre]

Gainey .... name it after Gainey
They basically made it for him and he remains the prototype