relegated Teams

[schmiedi]

The last team of each group will be relegated, is this right?

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[GermanNuck]

Yes.

 

[tony d]

Yeah it is.

 

[BladesofSTEELwFIRE]

Don't the top 2 teams from Division 1 get promoted to the elite division next year? Is the Division 1 tourney done yet?

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Don't the top 2 teams from Division 1 get promoted to the elite division next year? Is the Division 1 tourney done yet?

Yes. Kazakhstan won and the decisive game for the 2nd spot was played between hosts Poland and Hungary last Saturday in what was a great game in a great atmosphere with more than 12 000 people in attendance (including a few thousands of Hungarians) in which the Hungarians prevailed in the end.

The Hungarians and Poles made advantage of the fact that Italy chose to go with only a few dual nationals into the tournament, prefering to give the chance to their home grown player finally.

 

[BladesofSTEELwFIRE]

So Hungary and Kazakhstan will join the elite division next year? I don't recall Hungary being there recently or at all.

I see South Korea won Division IB. But that only gets them promoted to Division IA where several teams like Japan are still better. I don't see how Korea can be remotely ready for the 2018 Olympics. They would still lose 10-0 or 15-0 to many of the Olympic teams!

 

[Elvs]

Hungary was up once not too many years ago. They have a few players playing in respectable leagues, so it's a little strange they are not up more often.

Would have been fun to see Poland back in the top division. They used to be there sometimes when I was little, same with Japan. Ukraine seemed to be pretty established in the top division during the early 2000's. All of a sudden they are relegated and I don't think they have been up to the top division ever since. I wonder what happened.

 

[BladesofSTEELwFIRE]

Hungary was up once not too many years ago. They have a few players playing in respectable leagues, so it's a little strange they are not up more often.

Would have been fun to see Poland back in the top division. They used to be there sometimes when I was little, same with Japan. Ukraine seemed to be pretty established in the top division during the early 2000's. All of a sudden they are relegated and I don't think they have been up to the top division ever since. I wonder what happened.

Maybe they're too busy fighting against Russia!

 

[Urbanskog]

Ukraine seemed to be pretty established in the top division during the early 2000's. All of a sudden they are relegated and I don't think they have been up to the top division ever since. I wonder what happened.

Ukraine was relegated this year because they were missing very many of their top players who refused to practice for the tournament in Ukraine.

 

[QnebO]

Great to see Hungary making it.


Kazaksh were in the tournament lately. I recall Finland playing them, was it last year actually. We took OT win against them!

 

[Elvs]

Maybe they're too busy fighting against Russia!

Ukraine was relegated this year because they were missing very many of their top players who refused to practice for the tournament in Ukraine.

I was talking about when they were relegated from the top division many years ago. The situation with Russia has nothing to do with that. I didn't know they were relegated from the 2nd tier this year. Guess they aren't making a comeback at the top level anytime soon then.

 

[Heia Norge]

The last team of each group will be relegated, is this right?

Not really. The two teams with the fewest points after all games are completed gets relegated independent from which group they played in. But usually one team from each group ends up with the fewest points.

 

[Hammer15]

Not really. The two teams with the fewest points after all games are completed gets relegated independent from which group they played in. But usually one team from each group ends up with the fewest points.

That's wrong... Each group will relegate one team no matter what.

 

[Heia Norge]

That's wrong... Each group will relegate one team no matter what.

No it's not. From IIHF.com: The overall bottom ranked two teams will be relegated to the 2016 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship Division I Group A.

http://www.iihfworlds2015.com/en/information/

 

[ThrashersfanSVK]

No it's not. From IIHF.com: The overall bottom ranked two teams will be relegated to the 2016 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship Division I Group A.

http://www.iihfworlds2015.com/en/information/

And do you know what's the criteria for making the overall ranking? First thing taking into consideration is ranking in group, that means that both last placed teams in group will be relegated.

 

[Heia Norge]

And do you know what's the criteria for making the overall ranking? First thing taking into consideration is ranking in group, that means that both last placed teams in group will be relegated.

After round robin games complete, teams in group A and B are compared together. And then the two teams with lowest/fewest points gets relegated.

Let’s say:

Group A:
7. Team XX 1 pts
8.Team QQ 0 pts

Group B
7. Team XX 3 pts
8. Team QQ 2 pts

In this case both teams in group A (Nr. 8 and 7) gets relegated. Nothing more complicated than that. It’s all about the points.

 

[ThrashersfanSVK]

After round robin games complete, teams in group A and B are compared together. And then the two teams with lowest/fewest points gets relegated.

Let’s say:
Group A:
7. Team XX 1 pts
8.Team QQ 0 pts

Group B
7. Team XX 3 pts
8. Team QQ 2 pts

In this case both teams in group A (Nr. 8 and 7) gets relegated. Nothing more complicated than that. It’s all about the points.

You're wrong.

http://www.iihfworlds2015.com/en/information/#tournament-format

The final ranking will follow the following procedure:
1. Higher position in the group,
2. Higher number of points,
3. Better goal difference,
4. Higher number of goals scored for,
5. Better seeding number

EDIT: Look at the 2013 rankings and which team were relegated. Austria got 5 points, they were relegated since they were last in their group and Belarus remained in Top division with three points because they finished 7th in group.

 

[JamieG]

Half the teams in the tournament should be relegated.

It's a shame that so few countries are good at hockey. These tournaments (WHC, WJHC, Olympics) are always disappointing because there's so few games that are actually competitive for the best teams. Teams like Canada go through most of the tournament not playing more than 1 game that they even need to break a sweat. They spend most of the tournament playing against teams who can barely manage a shot on net.

I think they should places all the hockey power countries in one division and all the pretenders in another.

This is an embarrassment.

Have the few good countries (Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Czech & Finland) play each other all tournament long and then in the elimination round. Let the Austria's and Denmark's battle it out in the B group for the title of "best of the rest".

 

[Heia Norge]

You're wrong.

http://www.iihfworlds2015.com/en/information/#tournament-format

The final ranking will follow the following procedure:
1. Higher position in the group,
2. Higher number of points,
3. Better goal difference,
4. Higher number of goals scored for,
5. Better seeding number

EDIT: Look at the 2013 rankings and which team were relegated. Austria got 5 points, they were relegated since they were last in their group and Belarus remained in Top division with three points because they finished 7th in group.

Belarus couldn’t get relegated that year because they were to host the IIHF WC in 2014? Anyways I may be wrong about this.

 

[ThrashersfanSVK]

Belarus couldn’t get relegated that year because they were to host the IIHF WC in 2014? Anyways I may be wrong about this.

Technically you're right, they couldn't get relegated, however look at final ranking. Austria finished 15th, whereas Belarus 14th.

 

[Tomas W]

Half the teams in the tournament should be relegated.

It's a shame that so few countries are good at hockey. These tournaments (WHC, WJHC, Olympics) are always disappointing because there's so few games that are actually competitive for the best teams. Teams like Canada go through most of the tournament not playing more than 1 game that they even need to break a sweat. They spend most of the tournament playing against teams who can barely manage a shot on net.

I think they should places all the hockey power countries in one division and all the pretenders in another.

This is an embarrassment.

Have the few good countries (Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Czech & Finland) play each other all tournament long and then in the elimination round. Let the Austria's and Denmark's battle it out in the B group for the title of "best of the rest".

Sometimes the 'lesser' teams rattle the better ones. Plus the sport need attention in more places than just the traditional ones. Although I understand your point.

 

[varsaku]

Sometimes the 'lesser' teams rattle the better ones. Plus the sport need attention in more places than just the traditional ones. Although I understand your point.

The smaller hockey nations need to play the better teams to bring more attention to the sport in their country. It makes it easier to compare which stage each country is in its hockey development. I like seeing the underdogs play against established hockey nations and win.

 

[Tomas W]

The smaller hockey nations need to play the better teams to bring more attention to the sport in their country. It makes it easier to compare which stage each country is in its hockey development. I like seeing the underdogs play against established hockey nations and win.

Many root for the underdog, as do I.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Hungary was up once not too many years ago. They have a few players playing in respectable leagues, so it's a little strange they are not up more often.

Would have been fun to see Poland back in the top division. They used to be there sometimes when I was little, same with Japan. Ukraine seemed to be pretty established in the top division during the early 2000's. All of a sudden they are relegated and I don't think they have been up to the top division ever since. I wonder what happened.

Japan has only ever qualified for the WC via the far east qualifier. It was a special tournament with only Japan, South Korea and China in it that had a guaranteed spot in the WC. Japan won every year to qualify but was not at all ready for WC. In 7 years they went 0-21-0 in pool play, 0-11-4 in relegation round play. It was a poor idea. The Japanese and South Koreans have made more strides internationally since it was abolished as evidenced by Japan being a decent 1A team and South Korea now a borderline 1A/1B team.

 

[begbeee]

So Hungary and Kazakhstan will join the elite division next year? I don't recall Hungary being there recently or at all.

I see South Korea won Division IB. But that only gets them promoted to Division IA where several teams like Japan are still better. I don't see how Korea can be remotely ready for the 2018 Olympics. They would still lose 10-0 or 15-0 to many of the Olympic teams!

Honestly, if Canada would play 100% against them, the 40-0 is not out of the question.