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Elvs said:
I'd hate to see Latvia get relegated. They are missing their top 2 defensemen and 3 top six forwards. When they have their best team they can make the quarter finals, so it would be unfortunate to see them drop out from the top division.
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Same here. And their fans are amazing.
 
boris4c said:
There is nothing wrong with the current format, it's perfect.

There have been a couple of blowouts but all of the teams are competitive nonetheless, even the ones who got blown out. Slovenia is the only team without a win but even then, their games have been very competitive. Plus, I really enjoy watching those non-traditional teams.
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Yes, I think the current format is perfect. And its good for the hockey overall.
Sad to see Slovenia go but like you said, they have been competitive and sometimes unlucky in some decisions.
At this point, I think Austria is the other team to get relegated, even though they could have a very good opportunity to win against Germany.
 
Faterson said:
Austria can still get to the quarterfinals. :)
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:naughty: yes they can! But they just won't have a chance against Canada, even if Starkbaum is standing on his head. If Austria wins Germany and France loses to Sweden, then it's up to Latvia vs. France game who get relegated.
 
As a Canadian, I absolutely appreciate the underdogs in the tournament. I'd even make the tournament larger. Reason is, we know that the usual suspects are going to make it to the finals anyways. And the fact that the best countries are handicapped by NHL playoffs, it would be a disservice to the countries who pour their resources into these tournaments to promote hockey locally to refuse them entry into the top tier of hockey. While Canada or Russia or the US might win this tournament, I think that the biggest relative ROI from this will be the underdogs who might not medal, but will play better than expected. I feel as though last game Canada v. France showed that. Betting that French fans were way more excited to contend with the world's best hockey nation than Canadians were about the fact that they won a game.

I understand from the POV of top tier country's fans that having Canada (or other similar countries) blow out Latvia, France, Austria, Slovenia, Denmark by several goals each year seems like a tedious affair, but it's not for Canadian fans that this is done. It's for the countries who need the exposure.

For that matter, has any team been promoted two divisions up? I can't find any information on promotion and relegation history.
 
InglewoodJack said:
As a Canadian, I absolutely appreciate the underdogs in the tournament. I'd even make the tournament larger. Reason is, we know that the usual suspects are going to make it to the finals anyways. And the fact that the best countries are handicapped by NHL playoffs, it would be a disservice to the countries who pour their resources into these tournaments to promote hockey locally to refuse them entry into the top tier of hockey. While Canada or Russia or the US might win this tournament, I think that the biggest relative ROI from this will be the underdogs who might not medal, but will play better than expected. I feel as though last game Canada v. France showed that. Betting that French fans were way more excited to contend with the world's best hockey nation than Canadians were about the fact that they won a game.

I understand from the POV of top tier country's fans that having Canada (or other similar countries) blow out Latvia, France, Austria, Slovenia, Denmark by several goals each year seems like a tedious affair, but it's not for Canadian fans that this is done. It's for the countries who need the exposure.

For that matter, has any team been promoted two divisions up? I can't find any information on promotion and relegation history.
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Slovakia was back in the early 1990s, won WC C category in 94 and WC B category in 95.

I'm not sure if there are any more recent examples. Poland could have made it this year, they were in Div IB last year, I think and they were playing for advancing to the elite until their last game.
 
InglewoodJack said:
For that matter, has any team been promoted two divisions up? I can't find any information on promotion and relegation history.
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I don't know of the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure nobody has done that recently. Hungary just got promoted to elite, breaking the cycle of Kaz/Ita promotion. Their u18/u20 teams have been improving. I think the u18 teams got 2 promotions in a row before getting relegated out of D1a this year. They're definitely a team to watch. Eliteprospects has all of the promotion/relegation info.
 
I wouldn't mention the 1990s promotions in this context. New independent countries such as Slovakia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine were founded in the early 1990s, and they simply got dumped into the lowest tier regardless of their playing abilities. Also, the format of the Worlds' second tier has been changing over the decades, so I'm not sure the promotions are comparable over a longer timespan. Nowadays, it seems relatively easy to advance to the top tier from the second tier. A round-robin tourney of only 6 countries, and the top 2 move up – that's pretty magnanimous. There's a high probability that Slovenia will move back up again in a year from now.
 
Faterson said:
I wouldn't mention the 1990s promotions in this context. New independent countries such as Slovakia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine were founded in the early 1990s, and they simply got dumped into the lowest tier regardless of their playing abilities. Also, the format of the Worlds' second tier has been changing over the decades, so I'm not sure the promotions are comparable over a longer timespan. Nowadays, it seems relatively easy to advance to the top tier from the second tier. A round-robin tourney of only 6 countries, and the top 2 move up – that's pretty magnanimous. There's a high probability that Slovenia will move back up again in a year from now.
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I remember Kazakhstan beat Iceland something like 59-0.
 
I am ok with the world championships the way they are, even though the round robin seems to drag on a bit with their being 3 or 4 "weaker teams" in each bracket.

I don't care for the Olympic set up of 12 teams with 3 brackets of 4, the qualification, etc, but I understand that it is for time constraints.

I am happy that the world cup is back, but pissed off that there are two gimmick teams. I wish there was a world cup consisting of the top 6 or 8 Nations as decided by IIHF ranking in one bracket with a round robin and then the top 4 play the semi finals and then the finals, no third place game.
 
Nakawick said:
I am happy that the world cup is back, but pissed off that there are two gimmick teams. I wish there was a world cup consisting of the top 6 or 8 Nations as decided by IIHF ranking in one bracket with a round robin and then the top 4 play the semi finals and then the finals, no third place game.
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Absolutely, that would be the ideal format. Hope Slovak players take time off and don't participate in that travesty.
 
Rob said:
Well there is a good reason for that.
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Which is exactly why it doesn't make any sense to lump the US together with the leading hockey powers, if we're discussing the World Championship.

It also doesn't make much sense to compare Latvia (nearly 20 years in a row in the Elite tier) with Slovenia, etc.
 
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Namejs said:
During the last 50 years, the US has won the tournament as many times as Latvia or Denmark. 0, that is.

Canada has only won 5 titles in that period as well, btw.
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*This* tournament. I just picked whoever's usually favourites. I think Canada is icing one of its best teams in a long time though.
 
Urbanskog said:
How is that worse than the alleged 59:0 loss which never happened?
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Really curious where that 59:0 comes from. Maybe there was some exhibition game?
The most lopsided scores at World Championships I could find were:

Romania vs. New Zealand 52:1 in 1989
Spain vs. Turkey 38:0 in 1992
Mexico vs. Armenia 48:0 2005

EDIT: Sorry for further derailing this thread.
 
Maverick41 said:
Really curious where that 59:0 comes from. Maybe there was some exhibition game?
The most lopsided scores at World Championships I could find were:

Romania vs. New Zealand 52:1 in 1989
Spain vs. Turkey 38:0 in 1992
Mexico vs. Armenia 48:0 2005

EDIT: Sorry for further derailing this thread.
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I'll derail it further, as I'm the go-to-guy all things Kazakhstan here, I know where the score comes from. Rob is only partially wrong. The final score was 63:0 and it was an EJC (U18) pool D game in 1998. In round robin Kazakhstan also destroyed Luxemburg 39:0 and Spain 20:2 and winning the group with a goal difference of 121:2. In medal round they won Belgium 20:1 and Netherlands 14:1. Nikolai Antropov finished the tournament with measly 54 points in 5 games and besides the goalies only two Kazakh skaters weren't on pace for 2PPG or more.
 
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