Reference - VsX comprehensive summary (1927 to 2023)

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TABLE 2 - BEST TEN YEARS, POINTS

Rank|Player|VsX
1 | Wayne Gretzky | 144.7
2 | Gordie Howe | 118.1
3 | Phil Esposito | 117.6
4 | Mario Lemieux | 112
5 | Jaromir Jagr | 105.9
6 | Stan Mikita | 102.5
7 | Bobby Hull | 101.8
8 | Jean Beliveau | 100
9 | Maurice Richard | 97.9
10 | Marcel Dionne | 97.5
11 | Sidney Crosby | 97.4
12 | Ted Lindsay | 95.8
13 | Andy Bathgate | 95.6
14 | Joe Sakic | 94
15 | Alex Ovechkin | 93.5
16 | Bobby Orr | 92.1
17 | Guy Lafleur | 91
18 | Joe Thornton | 90.8
19 | Mike Bossy | 89.4
20 | Howie Morenz | 88.9
21 | Frank Boucher | 88.8
22 | Steve Yzerman | 88.8
23 | Teemu Selanne | 88.7
24 | Bryan Trottier | 87.2
25 | Nels Stewart | 87.1
26 | Bill Cowley | 86.7
27 | Martin St. Louis | 86.3
28 | Adam Oates | 86.2
29 | Jean Ratelle | 85.3
30 | Mark Messier | 85
31 | Norm Ullman | 84.7
32 | Bill Cook | 84.4
33 | Mark Recchi | 84.3
34 | Ron Francis | 84.2
35 | Frank Mahovlich | 84.1
36 | John Bucyk | 83.9
37 | Syl Apps Sr | 83.9
38 | Brett Hull | 83.6
39 | Bobby Clarke | 83.5
40 | Bernie Geoffrion | 83.4
41 | Alex Delvecchio | 82.9
42 | Evgeni Malkin | 82.8
43 | Charlie Conacher | 82.5
44 | Patrick Kane | 82.3
45 | Peter Forsberg | 82.1
46 | Paul Coffey | 82
47 | Marty Barry | 81.8
48 | Dale Hawerchuk | 81.7
49 | Gilbert Perreault | 81.6
50 | Jarome Iginla | 81.5
51 | Toe Blake | 81.4
52 | Jari Kurri | 81.2
53 | Luc Robitaille | 80.9
54 | Peter Stastny | 80.8
55 | Darryl Sittler | 80.4
56 | Busher Jackson | 80.2
57 | Max Bentley | 80
58 | Mats Sundin | 79.9
59 | Rod Gilbert | 79.7
60 | Sweeney Schriner | 79.7
61 | Henrik Sedin | 79.5
62 | Elmer Lach | 79.2
63 | Nicklas Backstrom | 79
64 | Pierre Turgeon | 78.9
65 | Henri Richard | 78.9
66 | Milt Schmidt | 78.8
67 | Paul Kariya | 78.6
68 | Marian Hossa | 78.1
69 | Denis Savard | 78
70 | Theoren Fleury | 77.9
71 | Ryan Getzlaf | 77.9
72 | Mike Modano | 77.7
73 | Syd Howe | 77.7
74 | Daniel Alfredsson | 77.4
75 | Sergei Fedorov | 77.1
76 | Doug Gilmour | 77.1
77 | Pavel Datsyuk | 77.1
78 | Ilya Kovalchuk | 76.9
79 | Doug Bentley | 76.7
80 | Daniel Sedin | 76.4
81 | Jeremy Roenick | 76.1
82 | Eric Lindros | 76
83 | Sid Abel | 75.8
84 | Eric Staal | 75.2
85 | Aurel Joliat | 75.1
86 | Henrik Zetterberg | 74.7
87 | Brendan Shanahan | 74.4
88 | Dickie Moore | 74.3
89 | Roy Conacher | 74.1
90 | Jason Spezza | 74.1
91 | Bernie Federko | 74
92 | Ken Hodge | 74
93 | Keith Tkachuk | 73.9
94 | Ted Kennedy | 73.8
95 | Bernie Nicholls | 73.7
96 | Patrik Elias | 73.6
97 | Brad Richards | 73.2
98 | Markus Naslund | 73
99 | Anze Kopitar | 72.9
100 | Alexander Mogilny | 72.9
101 | Pavel Bure | 72.7
102 | Dany Heatley | 72.3
103 | Doug Weight | 72.2
104 | Michel Goulet | 71.8
105 | Pat LaFontaine | 71.8
106 | Jacques Lemaire | 71.7
107 | Raymond Bourque | 71.5
108 | Yvan Cournoyer | 71.5
109 | Bryan Hextall | 71.3
110 | John LeClair | 71.2
111 | Vincent Damphousse | 71.1
112 | Vincent Lecavalier | 71


Nicklas Backstrom is ahead of some very good players here...

He seems underrated offensively around these parts. The guy has been a consistent point producer and he has five finishes in the top ten for points.
 

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TABLE 6 - BEST TEN YEARS, GOALS

Rank|Player|VsX
1 | Bobby Hull | 64.9
2 | Maurice Richard | 61.2
3 | Gordie Howe | 61.1
4 | Phil Esposito | 56.3
5 | Alex Ovechkin | 55.5
6 | Wayne Gretzky | 53.9
7 | Brett Hull | 51.1
8 | Jean Beliveau | 50.4
9 | Mario Lemieux | 49.9
10 | Mike Bossy | 49.4
11 | Frank Mahovlich | 47.3
12 | Nels Stewart | 47.3
13 | Jaromir Jagr | 46.7
14 | Bernie Geoffrion | 45.9
15 | Ted Lindsay | 45.5
16 | Stan Mikita | 45.2
17 | Bill Cook | 45
18 | Marcel Dionne | 44.5
19 | Teemu Selanne | 44.4
20 | Charlie Conacher | 43.7
21 | Ilya Kovalchuk | 43.5
22 | Norm Ullman | 43.3
23 | Jarome Iginla | 43.1
24 | Steve Yzerman | 42.9
25 | Luc Robitaille | 42.7
26 | Roy Conacher | 42.7
27 | Pavel Bure | 42.6
28 | Peter Bondra | 42.1
29 | Guy Lafleur | 41
30 | Keith Tkachuk | 40.6
31 | Joe Sakic | 40.5
32 | Busher Jackson | 40.4
33 | Jari Kurri | 40.2
34 | Andy Bathgate | 39.8
35 | John Bucyk | 39.6
36 | Brendan Shanahan | 39.6
37 | Sweeney Schriner | 39.6
38 | Sidney Crosby | 39.6
39 | Bryan Hextall | 39.5
40 | Toe Blake | 39.4
41 | Mike Gartner | 39.1
| 24.6


Bondra ranks surprisingly high on this chart. I would have thought he would be lower on a ten year table but quite high on a six or seven year table for goal scoring.

Gartner ranks 41st, which puts him ahead of a number of players primarily known for offense.
 

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Nicklas Backstrom is ahead of some very good players here...

He seems underrated offensively around these parts. The guy has been a consistent point producer and he has five finishes in the top ten for points.

Surpassed by roughly 30 players whose careers started in the O6 era or earlier and whose careers are finished.

Chances are Backstrom does not sustain his performance level over time.
 

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With the exception of Table #13 (I can't find my data source for that), this thread has been updated after the data migration on HFBoards. Let me know if you see any errors/problems.
 

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With the exception of Table #13 (I can't find my data source for that), this thread has been updated after the data migration on HFBoards. Let me know if you see any errors/problems.

I guess it doesn't work for points per game:


TABLE 3 - CAREER TOTAL, POINTS/GP
GPPts/GP
Bryan Hextall4492.011
Syl Apps Sr4231.982
Charlie Conacher4591.923
Bill Cowley5491.794
Sweeney Schriner4841.715
Nels Stewart6501.706
Howie Morenz5501.707
Marty Barry5091.688
Toe Blake5771.589
Wayne Gretzky14871.5610
Busher Jackson6361.5411
Mario Lemieux9151.5412
Roy Conacher4901.5213
Bun Cook4731.4914
Doug Bentley5651.4815
Bill Cook5911.4516
Syd Howe6981.4417
Herbie Lewis4831.4418
Maurice Richard9781.4319
Bobby Orr6571.4320
Cooney Weiland5091.4321
Frank Boucher6701.4222
Elmer Lach6641.4023
Gordie Howe17671.3824
Max Bentley6451.3625
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I guess it doesn't work for points per game:

In theory it should work, but it looks like you're dividing adjusted scoring (which contemplates a modern season length) by actual games played. That's why the table is full of players from the 1930s - you're dividing adjusted points by actual games played, from short seasons. If you used adjusted games played, the results should make sense (I'll see if I have that data handy).
 

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In theory it should work, but it looks like you're dividing adjusted scoring (which contemplates a modern season length) by actual games played. That's why the table is full of players from the 1930s - you're dividing adjusted points by actual games played, from short seasons. If you used adjusted games played, the results should make sense (I'll see if I have that data handy).

Awesome thanks. Love this vsx stuff
 

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Awesome thanks. Love this vsx stuff

I put this together quickly (let me know if something looks out of line). Basically it's career VsX (for points) divided by games played (adjusted so every season is 82 games). The table is for players with 100+ games played (welcome Connor McDavid):

Player Adj GP VsX VsX/GP
Mario Lemieux 926 1,409 1.52
Wayne Gretzky 1,543 2,327 1.51
Bobby Orr 700 940 1.34
Sidney Crosby 808 1,079 1.34
Connor McDavid 127 166 1.31
Syl Apps Sr 681 839 1.23
Peter Forsberg 741 882 1.19
Evgeni Malkin 728 866 1.19
Gordie Howe 2,061 2,444 1.19
Jean Beliveau 1,292 1,519 1.18
Phil Esposito 1,369 1,609 1.18
Mike Bossy 771 894 1.16
Gordie Drillon 528 607 1.15
Bobby Hull 1,203 1,376 1.14
Alex Ovechkin 955 1,080 1.13
Howie Morenz 827 934 1.13
Maurice Richard 1,255 1,403 1.12
Charlie Conacher 796 879 1.10
Joe Sakic 1,415 1,534 1.08
Bill Cowley 910 982 1.08
Jaromir Jagr 1,777 1,914 1.08
Roy Conacher 696 746 1.07
Marcel Dionne 1,388 1,484 1.07
Patrick Kane 773 823 1.06
Eric Lindros 790 840 1.06
Bernie Geoffrion 1,029 1,093 1.06
Stan Mikita 1,529 1,610 1.05
Artemi Panarin 162 170 1.05
Steven Stamkos 620 645 1.04
Pavel Bure 731 753 1.03
Nicklas Backstrom 768 790 1.03
Nels Stewart 1,082 1,106 1.02
John Gaudreau 160 163 1.02
Ziggy Palffy 707 719 1.02
Elmer Lach 917 930 1.01
Doug Bentley 827 838 1.01
Bill Cook 843 855 1.01
Sweeney Schriner 819 829 1.01
Frank Boucher 943 949 1.01
Max Bentley 876 876 1.00
Guy Lafleur 1,161 1,158 1.00
Andy Bathgate 1,236 1,226 0.99
John Tavares 621 612 0.99
Bobby Bauer 536 527 0.98
Steve Yzerman 1,561 1,529 0.98
Ilya Kovalchuk 842 824 0.98
Joe Thornton 1,480 1,440 0.97
Ryan Getzlaf 892 867 0.97
Brett Hull 1,309 1,271 0.97
Pavel Datsyuk 986 956 0.97
Joe Primeau 543 527 0.97
Toe Blake 941 911 0.97
Marty Barry 885 853 0.96
Duke Keats 153 147 0.96
Jason Spezza 915 878 0.96
Peter Stastny 1,002 957 0.96
Jamie Benn 614 587 0.96
Paul Kariya 1,022 970 0.95
Frank Mahovlich 1,328 1,260 0.95
Milt Schmidt 1,087 1,030 0.95
Ted Lindsay 1,327 1,255 0.95
Kent Nilsson 571 538 0.94
Claude Giroux 690 649 0.94
Alexander Mogilny 1,023 958 0.94
Teemu Selanne 1,512 1,415 0.94
Gilbert Perreault 1,228 1,145 0.93
Pat LaFontaine 893 832 0.93
Mats Sundin 1,379 1,284 0.93
Dickie Moore 840 781 0.93
Adam Oates 1,379 1,282 0.93
Nikita Kucherov 285 265 0.93
Rod Gilbert 1,156 1,072 0.93
Martin St. Louis 1,168 1,083 0.93
Dick Irvin 175 162 0.93
Henrik Zetterberg 1,033 950 0.92
Bobby Clarke 1,185 1,087 0.92
Sid Abel 850 779 0.92
Tyler Seguin 542 496 0.92
Dale Hawerchuk 1,222 1,119 0.92
Ted Kennedy 907 828 0.91
Jean Ratelle 1,371 1,251 0.91
Vladimir Tarasenko 368 335 0.91
Daniel Alfredsson 1,279 1,162 0.91
Jonathan Toews 750 681 0.91
Norm Ullman 1,584 1,434 0.91
Jacques Lemaire 894 808 0.90
Theoren Fleury 1,120 1,011 0.90
Busher Jackson 1,087 980 0.90
Pierre Turgeon 1,335 1,200 0.90
Rick Martin 708 635 0.90
Anze Kopitar 873 783 0.90
Mark Messier 1,808 1,620 0.90
Erik Karlsson 568 508 0.89
Jack Eichel 142 127 0.89
Pavol Demitra 858 767 0.89
Billy Taylor 513 458 0.89
Ron Francis 1,778 1,588 0.89
Alex Delvecchio 1,765 1,575 0.89
John Bucyk 1,709 1,519 0.89
Bryan Trottier 1,309 1,159 0.89
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I put this together quickly (let me know if something looks out of line). Basically it's career VsX (for points) divided by games played (adjusted so every season is 82 games). The table is for players with 100+ games played (welcome Connor McDavid):

Player Adj GP VsX VsX/GP
Mario Lemieux 926 1,409 1.52
Wayne Gretzky 1,543 2,327 1.51
Bobby Orr 700 940 1.34
Sidney Crosby 808 1,079 1.34
Connor McDavid 127 166 1.31
Syl Apps Sr 681 839 1.23
Peter Forsberg 741 882 1.19
Evgeni Malkin 728 866 1.19
Gordie Howe 2,061 2,444 1.19
Jean Beliveau 1,292 1,519 1.18
Phil Esposito 1,369 1,609 1.18
Mike Bossy 771 894 1.16
Gordie Drillon 528 607 1.15
Bobby Hull 1,203 1,376 1.14
Alex Ovechkin 955 1,080 1.13
Howie Morenz 827 934 1.13
Maurice Richard 1,255 1,403 1.12
Charlie Conacher 796 879 1.10
Joe Sakic 1,415 1,534 1.08
Bill Cowley 910 982 1.08
Jaromir Jagr 1,777 1,914 1.08
Roy Conacher 696 746 1.07
Marcel Dionne 1,388 1,484 1.07
Patrick Kane 773 823 1.06
Eric Lindros 790 840 1.06
Bernie Geoffrion 1,029 1,093 1.06
Stan Mikita 1,529 1,610 1.05
Artemi Panarin 162 170 1.05
Steven Stamkos 620 645 1.04
Pavel Bure 731 753 1.03
Nicklas Backstrom 768 790 1.03
Nels Stewart 1,082 1,106 1.02
John Gaudreau 160 163 1.02
Ziggy Palffy 707 719 1.02
Elmer Lach 917 930 1.01
Doug Bentley 827 838 1.01
Bill Cook 843 855 1.01
Sweeney Schriner 819 829 1.01
Frank Boucher 943 949 1.01
Max Bentley 876 876 1.00
Guy Lafleur 1,161 1,158 1.00
Andy Bathgate 1,236 1,226 0.99
John Tavares 621 612 0.99
Bobby Bauer 536 527 0.98
Steve Yzerman 1,561 1,529 0.98
Ilya Kovalchuk 842 824 0.98
Joe Thornton 1,480 1,440 0.97
Ryan Getzlaf 892 867 0.97
Brett Hull 1,309 1,271 0.97
Pavel Datsyuk 986 956 0.97
Joe Primeau 543 527 0.97
Toe Blake 941 911 0.97
Marty Barry 885 853 0.96
Duke Keats 153 147 0.96
Jason Spezza 915 878 0.96
Peter Stastny 1,002 957 0.96
Jamie Benn 614 587 0.96
Paul Kariya 1,022 970 0.95
Frank Mahovlich 1,328 1,260 0.95
Milt Schmidt 1,087 1,030 0.95
Ted Lindsay 1,327 1,255 0.95
Kent Nilsson 571 538 0.94
Claude Giroux 690 649 0.94
Alexander Mogilny 1,023 958 0.94
Teemu Selanne 1,512 1,415 0.94
Gilbert Perreault 1,228 1,145 0.93
Pat LaFontaine 893 832 0.93
Mats Sundin 1,379 1,284 0.93
Dickie Moore 840 781 0.93
Adam Oates 1,379 1,282 0.93
Nikita Kucherov 285 265 0.93
Rod Gilbert 1,156 1,072 0.93
Martin St. Louis 1,168 1,083 0.93
Dick Irvin 175 162 0.93
Henrik Zetterberg 1,033 950 0.92
Bobby Clarke 1,185 1,087 0.92
Sid Abel 850 779 0.92
Tyler Seguin 542 496 0.92
Dale Hawerchuk 1,222 1,119 0.92
Ted Kennedy 907 828 0.91
Jean Ratelle 1,371 1,251 0.91
Vladimir Tarasenko 368 335 0.91
Daniel Alfredsson 1,279 1,162 0.91
Jonathan Toews 750 681 0.91
Norm Ullman 1,584 1,434 0.91
Jacques Lemaire 894 808 0.90
Theoren Fleury 1,120 1,011 0.90
Busher Jackson 1,087 980 0.90
Pierre Turgeon 1,335 1,200 0.90
Rick Martin 708 635 0.90
Anze Kopitar 873 783 0.90
Mark Messier 1,808 1,620 0.90
Erik Karlsson 568 508 0.89
Jack Eichel 142 127 0.89
Pavol Demitra 858 767 0.89
Billy Taylor 513 458 0.89
Ron Francis 1,778 1,588 0.89
Alex Delvecchio 1,765 1,575 0.89
John Bucyk 1,709 1,519 0.89
Bryan Trottier 1,309 1,159 0.89
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Very revealing. Seems that playing more games is mainly a disadvantage except for Johnny Bucyk who had a late career spurt. Reasons do not matter.

Conversely a relatively short career - Gordie Drillon, Sweeney Schriner creates interesting groupings at times. Drillon with Ovechkin, Bobby Hull and Bossy.
 

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Very revealing. Seems that playing more games is mainly a disadvantage except for Johnny Bucyk who had a late career spurt. Reasons do not matter.

Conversely a relatively short career - Gordie Drillon, Sweeney Schriner creates interesting groupings at times. Drillon with Ovechkin, Bobby Hull and Bossy.

There are exceptions of course (Bucyk probably being the most notable), but generally offensive production diminishes over time. Thus, comparing players with very different career lengths based solely on PPG will usually favour the player with the shorter career.

A better statistic (which I can post if anyone is interested) is PPG over the best X seasons.
 

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There are exceptions of course (Bucyk probably being the most notable), but generally offensive production diminishes over time. Thus, comparing players with very different career lengths based solely on PPG will usually favour the player with the shorter career.

A better statistic (which I can post if anyone is interested) is PPG over the best X seasons.

Comparing maybe. Still a very interesting description of the distribution of points over a career.

Could also look at X Worst seasons as a counterweight representing the fluctuations, peaks and valleys that a career goes thru.
 

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There are exceptions of course (Bucyk probably being the most notable), but generally offensive production diminishes over time. Thus, comparing players with very different career lengths based solely on PPG will usually favour the player with the shorter career.

A better statistic (which I can post if anyone is interested) is PPG over the best X seasons.

Didn't you ran the numbers for my PPGVsX system sometimes last year in the ATD2017 Summary thread (seasons were unweighted though)? Also, the ReplacementVsX numbers which had similar results.Oh and finally, the best consecutive seasons was also a nice touch.

If you ever have the time to re-do those, would be very interesting.The benchmarks I used should still be in this thread.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/atd-summary-2017.2203301/page-3

I am also interested in any other PPG numbers and systems you came up with.
 
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Didn't you ran the numbers for my PPGVsX system sometimes last year in the ATD2017 Summary thread (seasons were unweighted though)? Also, the ReplacementVsX numbers which had similar results.Oh and finally, the best consecutive seasons was also a nice touch.

If you ever have the time to re-do those, would be very interesting.The benchmarks I used should still be in this thread.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/atd-summary-2017.2203301/page-3

I am also interested in any other PPG numbers and systems you came up with.

I'll have to look for that. I probably have that saved on another computer.

The nice thing about VsX is you can look at the data so many different ways. For example if I wanted to do a list of best players, based on goals per game, over the 5 best non-consecutive seasons, with a minimum 20 adjusted games per season, I can do that. The downside is it creates a bunch of different file and sometimes it's hard for me to keep track of what's what.
 

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I'll have to look for that. I probably have that saved on another computer.

The nice thing about VsX is you can look at the data so many different ways. For example if I wanted to do a list of best players, based on goals per game, over the 5 best non-consecutive seasons, with a minimum 20 adjusted games per season, I can do that. The downside is it creates a bunch of different file and sometimes it's hard for me to keep track of what's what.

Interesting. What about comparisons for other data like PIMs, shots, saves, etc.?
 

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HockeyOutsider, can you a do a VsX 15?

Sure. Here's the sum of players' best 15 seasons (non consecutive), divided by 15:

1Wayne Gretzky 132.2
2Gordie Howe 110.3
3Phil Esposito 101.5
4Jaromir Jagr 96.7
5Mario Lemieux 91.9
6Stan Mikita 91.6
7Bobby Hull 90.8
8Jean Beliveau 90.2
9Marcel Dionne 90.1
10Joe Sakic 87.8
11Maurice Richard 86.5
12Joe Thornton 84.9
13Steve Yzerman 82.6
14Andy Bathgate 81.2
15Ted Lindsay 79.8
16Norm Ullman 79.7
17Teemu Selanne 79.6
18John Bucyk 79.0
19Ron Francis 78.6
20Mark Messier 78.3
21Alex Delvecchio 78.0
22Brett Hull 77.7
23Adam Oates 77.5
24Frank Mahovlich 77.3
25Jean Ratelle 77.1
26Mark Recchi 76.8
27Mats Sundin 76.1
28Jarome Iginla 75.4
29Guy Lafleur 75.4
30Paul Coffey 74.1
31Luc Robitaille 74.0
32Nels Stewart 73.7
33Bryan Trottier 73.6
34Dale Hawerchuk 73.1
35Gilbert Perreault 72.5
36Bobby Clarke 72.4
37Martin St. Louis 72.0
38Alex Ovechkin 72.0
39Henri Richard 72.0
40Sidney Crosby 71.9
41Pierre Turgeon 71.9
42Mike Modano 71.5
43Bernie Geoffrion 71.4
44Marian Hossa 71.0
45Rod Gilbert 70.9
46Jari Kurri 70.4
47Daniel Alfredsson 70.3
48Brendan Shanahan 69.1
49Henrik Sedin 69.0
50Doug Gilmour 69.0
51Jeremy Roenick 68.5
52Sergei Fedorov 68.5
53Milt Schmidt 67.6
54Theoren Fleury 67.4
55Syd Howe 66.8
56Denis Savard 66.7
57Raymond Bourque 66.7
58Daniel Sedin 66.7
59Bill Cowley 65.5
60Busher Jackson 65.4
61Patrik Elias 65.1
62Darryl Sittler 64.9
63Dave Keon 64.8
64Vincent Damphousse 64.7
65Paul Kariya 64.7
66Keith Tkachuk 64.5
67Brad Richards 64.5
68Red Kelly 64.1
69Patrick Marleau 64.0
70Peter Stastny 63.8
71Pavel Datsyuk 63.7
72Henrik Zetterberg 63.3
73Frank Boucher 63.3
74Bobby Orr 62.7
75Bernie Nicholls 62.6
76Rod Brind'Amour 62.5
77Alexander Mogilny 62.3
78Howie Morenz 62.2
79Elmer Lach 62.0
80Doug Weight 61.9
81Mike Gartner 61.9
82Ray Whitney 61.8
83Vincent Lecavalier 61.6
84Nicklas Lidstrom 60.9
85Al MacInnis 60.9
86Joe Nieuwendyk 60.8
87Toe Blake 60.7
88Alex Kovalev 60.5
89Dave Andreychuk 60.5
90Michel Goulet 60.2
91Dino Ciccarelli 59.8
92Mike Bossy 59.6
93Brian Leetch 59.5
94Eric Staal 59.5
95Bernie Federko 59.5
96Ken Hodge 59.4
97Alex Tanguay 59.0
98Peter Forsberg 58.8
99Bryan Hextall 58.8
100Denis Potvin 58.7
101Hooley Smith 58.6
102Charlie Conacher 58.6
103Jason Spezza 58.5
104Yvan Cournoyer 58.5
105Dit Clapper 58.5
106Max Bentley 58.4
107Shane Doan 58.4
108Tony Amonte 58.3
109Phil Housley 58.0
110Ryan Getzlaf 57.8
111Dean Prentice 57.7
112Evgeni Malkin 57.7
113Markus Naslund 57.5
114Glenn Anderson 57.2
115Bill Cook 57.0
116Marty Barry 56.9
117Peter Bondra 56.8
118Joe Mullen 56.3
119Mike Ribeiro 56.1
120Eric Lindros 56.0
121Syl Apps Sr 55.9
122Doug Bentley 55.8
123Bert Olmstead 55.5
124Pat LaFontaine 55.5
125Aurel Joliat 55.3
126Sweeney Schriner 55.3
127Ted Kennedy 55.2
128Dave Taylor 55.2
129Ilya Kovalchuk 54.9
130Patrick Kane 54.9
131Steve Larmer 54.8
132Jason Arnott 54.7
133Lanny McDonald 54.5
134Owen Nolan 54.3
135Bobby Rousseau 54.2
136Bobby Smith 54.1
137Rick Nash 54.1
138Pit Martin 54.1
139Larry Murphy 54.0
140Pat Verbeek 53.9
141Milan Hejduk 53.9
142Jacques Lemaire 53.8
143Phil Goyette 53.7
144Bill Mosienko 53.6
145John LeClair 53.6
146Murray Oliver 53.5
147Marian Gaborik 53.4
148Rick Middleton 53.4
149Johnny Gottselig 53.3
150Brian Bellows 53.2
151Nicklas Backstrom 52.7
152Woody Dumart 52.6
153Ryan Smyth 52.5
154Brian Propp 52.3
155Dany Heatley 52.3
156George Armstrong 52.2
157Anze Kopitar 52.2
158Dickie Moore 52.1
159Bob Nevin 52.0
160Alexei Yashin 52.0
161Sid Abel 52.0
162Bill Guerin 51.9
163Butch Goring 51.9
164Paul Thompson 51.8
165Saku Koivu 51.7
166Cliff Ronning 51.5
167Pavol Demitra 51.0
168Brad Park 50.8
169Scott Gomez 50.7
170Corey Perry 50.6
171Rick Tocchet 50.6
172Garry Unger 50.6
173Lorne Carr 50.4
174Kirk Muller 50.3
175Bill Barber 50.3
176Steve Sullivan 50.2
177Pavel Bure 50.2
178Gary Roberts 50.2
179Vyacheslav Kozlov 50.0
180Bob Pulford 49.8
181Sergei Zubov 49.8
182Roy Conacher 49.7
183Todd Bertuzzi 49.7
184Phil Watson 49.6
185Ray Ferraro 49.6
186Vic Hadfield 49.3
187Olli Jokinen 49.3
188Ivan Boldirev 49.2
189Sergei Gonchar 49.2
190Ralph Backstrom 49.1
191Billy Harris 49.0
192Steve Thomas 49.0
193Don McKenney 49.0
194Mush March 48.9
195Thomas Vanek 48.9
196Claude Provost 48.9
197Wayne Cashman 48.8
198Miroslav Satan 48.6
199Cooney Weiland 48.4
200Neal Broten 48.2
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Interesting. What about comparisons for other data like PIMs, shots, saves, etc.?

I have PIM data and it would be easy to run some reports (trickier if you want that normalized/adjusted in some way, but probably not too difficult).

I know that I had shots and saves at one point, but I'm not sure where the file is now. I'll have to look for that one as well.
 

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I have PIM data and it would be easy to run some reports (trickier if you want that normalized/adjusted in some way, but probably not too difficult).

I know that I had shots and saves at one point, but I'm not sure where the file is now. I'll have to look for that one as well.

Thank you. Perhaps once near complete archival data is available otherwise the effort would have to be constantly adjusted and thus less reliable at the start.
 
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There are exceptions of course (Bucyk probably being the most notable), but generally offensive production diminishes over time. Thus, comparing players with very different career lengths based solely on PPG will usually favour the player with the shorter career.

A better statistic (which I can post if anyone is interested) is PPG over the best X seasons.

Yes!
 

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Sure. Here's the sum of players' best 15 seasons (non consecutive), divided by 15:

1Wayne Gretzky 132.2
2Gordie Howe 110.3
3Phil Esposito 101.5
4Jaromir Jagr 96.7
5Mario Lemieux 91.9
6Stan Mikita 91.6
7Bobby Hull 90.8
8Jean Beliveau 90.2
9Marcel Dionne 90.1
10Joe Sakic 87.8
11Maurice Richard 86.5
12Joe Thornton 84.9
13Steve Yzerman 82.6
14Andy Bathgate 81.2
15Ted Lindsay 79.8
16Norm Ullman 79.7
17Teemu Selanne 79.6
18John Bucyk 79.0
19Ron Francis 78.6
20Mark Messier 78.3
21Alex Delvecchio 78.0
22Brett Hull 77.7
23Adam Oates 77.5
24Frank Mahovlich 77.3
25Jean Ratelle 77.1
26Mark Recchi 76.8
27Mats Sundin 76.1
28Jarome Iginla 75.4
29Guy Lafleur 75.4
30Paul Coffey 74.1
31Luc Robitaille 74.0
32Nels Stewart 73.7
33Bryan Trottier 73.6
34Dale Hawerchuk 73.1
35Gilbert Perreault 72.5
36Bobby Clarke 72.4
37Martin St. Louis 72.0
38Alex Ovechkin 72.0
39Henri Richard 72.0
40Sidney Crosby 71.9
41Pierre Turgeon 71.9
42Mike Modano 71.5
43Bernie Geoffrion 71.4
44Marian Hossa 71.0
45Rod Gilbert 70.9
46Jari Kurri 70.4
47Daniel Alfredsson 70.3
48Brendan Shanahan 69.1
49Henrik Sedin 69.0
50Doug Gilmour 69.0
51Jeremy Roenick 68.5
52Sergei Fedorov 68.5
53Milt Schmidt 67.6
54Theoren Fleury 67.4
55Syd Howe 66.8
56Denis Savard 66.7
57Raymond Bourque 66.7
58Daniel Sedin 66.7
59Bill Cowley 65.5
60Busher Jackson 65.4
61Patrik Elias 65.1
62Darryl Sittler 64.9
63Dave Keon 64.8
64Vincent Damphousse 64.7
65Paul Kariya 64.7
66Keith Tkachuk 64.5
67Brad Richards 64.5
68Red Kelly 64.1
69Patrick Marleau 64.0
70Peter Stastny 63.8
71Pavel Datsyuk 63.7
72Henrik Zetterberg 63.3
73Frank Boucher 63.3
74Bobby Orr 62.7
75Bernie Nicholls 62.6
76Rod Brind'Amour 62.5
77Alexander Mogilny 62.3
78Howie Morenz 62.2
79Elmer Lach 62.0
80Doug Weight 61.9
81Mike Gartner 61.9
82Ray Whitney 61.8
83Vincent Lecavalier 61.6
84Nicklas Lidstrom 60.9
85Al MacInnis 60.9
86Joe Nieuwendyk 60.8
87Toe Blake 60.7
88Alex Kovalev 60.5
89Dave Andreychuk 60.5
90Michel Goulet 60.2
91Dino Ciccarelli 59.8
92Mike Bossy 59.6
93Brian Leetch 59.5
94Eric Staal 59.5
95Bernie Federko 59.5
96Ken Hodge 59.4
97Alex Tanguay 59.0
98Peter Forsberg 58.8
99Bryan Hextall 58.8
100Denis Potvin 58.7
101Hooley Smith 58.6
102Charlie Conacher 58.6
103Jason Spezza 58.5
104Yvan Cournoyer 58.5
105Dit Clapper 58.5
106Max Bentley 58.4
107Shane Doan 58.4
108Tony Amonte 58.3
109Phil Housley 58.0
110Ryan Getzlaf 57.8
111Dean Prentice 57.7
112Evgeni Malkin 57.7
113Markus Naslund 57.5
114Glenn Anderson 57.2
115Bill Cook 57.0
116Marty Barry 56.9
117Peter Bondra 56.8
118Joe Mullen 56.3
119Mike Ribeiro 56.1
120Eric Lindros 56.0
121Syl Apps Sr 55.9
122Doug Bentley 55.8
123Bert Olmstead 55.5
124Pat LaFontaine 55.5
125Aurel Joliat 55.3
126Sweeney Schriner 55.3
127Ted Kennedy 55.2
128Dave Taylor 55.2
129Ilya Kovalchuk 54.9
130Patrick Kane 54.9
131Steve Larmer 54.8
132Jason Arnott 54.7
133Lanny McDonald 54.5
134Owen Nolan 54.3
135Bobby Rousseau 54.2
136Bobby Smith 54.1
137Rick Nash 54.1
138Pit Martin 54.1
139Larry Murphy 54.0
140Pat Verbeek 53.9
141Milan Hejduk 53.9
142Jacques Lemaire 53.8
143Phil Goyette 53.7
144Bill Mosienko 53.6
145John LeClair 53.6
146Murray Oliver 53.5
147Marian Gaborik 53.4
148Rick Middleton 53.4
149Johnny Gottselig 53.3
150Brian Bellows 53.2
151Nicklas Backstrom 52.7
152Woody Dumart 52.6
153Ryan Smyth 52.5
154Brian Propp 52.3
155Dany Heatley 52.3
156George Armstrong 52.2
157Anze Kopitar 52.2
158Dickie Moore 52.1
159Bob Nevin 52.0
160Alexei Yashin 52.0
161Sid Abel 52.0
162Bill Guerin 51.9
163Butch Goring 51.9
164Paul Thompson 51.8
165Saku Koivu 51.7
166Cliff Ronning 51.5
167Pavol Demitra 51.0
168Brad Park 50.8
169Scott Gomez 50.7
170Corey Perry 50.6
171Rick Tocchet 50.6
172Garry Unger 50.6
173Lorne Carr 50.4
174Kirk Muller 50.3
175Bill Barber 50.3
176Steve Sullivan 50.2
177Pavel Bure 50.2
178Gary Roberts 50.2
179Vyacheslav Kozlov 50.0
180Bob Pulford 49.8
181Sergei Zubov 49.8
182Roy Conacher 49.7
183Todd Bertuzzi 49.7
184Phil Watson 49.6
185Ray Ferraro 49.6
186Vic Hadfield 49.3
187Olli Jokinen 49.3
188Ivan Boldirev 49.2
189Sergei Gonchar 49.2
190Ralph Backstrom 49.1
191Billy Harris 49.0
192Steve Thomas 49.0
193Don McKenney 49.0
194Mush March 48.9
195Thomas Vanek 48.9
196Claude Provost 48.9
197Wayne Cashman 48.8
198Miroslav Satan 48.6
199Cooney Weiland 48.4
200Neal Broten 48.2
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Interesting portrayal of a players career, highs and lows, playoff and non playoff team factors, injuries, etc.
 

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Didn't you ran the numbers for my PPGVsX system sometimes last year in the ATD2017 Summary thread (seasons were unweighted though)?

Good news - I found the file. As I suspected, I had it saved on another computer.

Rather than clog up this thread with two thousand lines of data, I'm going to post one table. It has the top 400 players sorted by seven year PPG VsX. There are five columns - for three, five, seven, ten and fifteen years. A few other points:
  • Only seasons where the player played at least half the schedule apply (otherwise we pretend they didn't happen - so Crosby's 2011 and 2013 seasons count, but 2012 doesn't).
  • Seasons are weighted based on adjusted games played (so a player who missed a lot of time during his best seasons, like Crosby, gets penalized for it, since 2011 and 2013 are given less weight than, say, 2007, 2014 and 2015).
  • The years don't need to be consecutive.
  • In the 10 and 15 year columns, if a player doesn't have enough qualifying seasons, his score is shown as zero.
  • This table is sorted by the seven year time frame. It should be easy to copy this into Excel if you want to sort by the other columns.

PPG VsX - over five different time periods


Players Three years Five years Seven years Ten years Fifteen years
Wayne Gretzky 1.70 1.61 1.57 1.47 1.37
Mario Lemieux 1.51 1.43 1.39 1.29 -
Phil Esposito 1.55 1.40 1.31 1.18 1.04
Gordie Howe 1.37 1.29 1.22 1.15 1.09
Bobby Orr 1.47 1.33 1.22 - -
Guy Lafleur 1.20 1.16 1.10 0.98 0.85
Jaromir Jagr 1.13 1.11 1.09 1.04 0.97
Sidney Crosby 1.18 1.12 1.09 1.05 -
Bobby Hull 1.19 1.11 1.08 1.04 0.95
Stan Mikita 1.15 1.09 1.07 1.03 0.97
Jean Beliveau 1.12 1.08 1.06 1.02 0.98
Ted Lindsay 1.13 1.10 1.05 0.97 0.83
Marcel Dionne 1.14 1.08 1.04 0.99 0.92
Syl Apps Sr 1.09 1.06 1.03 0.97 -
Bill Cowley 1.19 1.10 1.02 0.97 -
Bernie Geoffrion 1.09 1.05 1.01 0.96 0.87
Maurice Richard 1.04 1.02 1.01 0.98 0.92
Evgeni Malkin 1.07 1.03 1.00 0.95 -
Charlie Conacher 1.17 1.09 1.00 0.85 -
Howie Morenz 1.15 1.07 0.99 0.91 -
Mike Bossy 1.07 1.01 0.97 0.94 -
Alex Ovechkin 1.04 1.00 0.97 0.93 -
Andy Bathgate 1.00 1.00 0.96 0.91 0.82
Bryan Trottier 1.12 1.02 0.96 0.89 0.80
Eric Lindros 1.02 0.99 0.96 0.86 -
Joe Thornton 1.04 0.99 0.95 0.90 0.85
Steve Yzerman 1.05 1.00 0.94 0.89 0.85
Joe Sakic 0.99 0.96 0.94 0.90 0.87
Busher Jackson 1.03 1.02 0.93 0.82 0.73
Elmer Lach 0.99 0.96 0.93 0.88 -
Jari Kurri 1.09 1.00 0.93 0.85 0.77
Peter Forsberg 1.00 0.95 0.93 0.87 -
Paul Coffey 0.98 0.95 0.93 0.87 0.80
Bill Cook 1.06 0.99 0.92 0.81 -
Jean Ratelle 1.02 0.96 0.92 0.88 0.82
Max Bentley 1.04 0.99 0.92 0.84 -
Peter Stastny 0.98 0.95 0.92 0.86 -
Patrick Kane 1.04 0.97 0.92 0.83 -
Sweeney Schriner 1.03 0.98 0.92 0.84 -
Frank Boucher 0.96 0.93 0.91 0.85 -
Bobby Clarke 0.98 0.94 0.91 0.83 0.76
Doug Bentley 0.97 0.94 0.91 0.83 -
Norm Ullman 1.01 0.96 0.91 0.86 0.81
Frank Mahovlich 0.95 0.93 0.90 0.86 0.81
Mark Messier 0.98 0.93 0.90 0.87 0.83
Teemu Selanne 0.95 0.92 0.90 0.87 0.82
Gordie Drillon 1.04 0.97 0.90 - -
John Bucyk 1.01 0.93 0.89 0.86 0.82
Nels Stewart 0.96 0.92 0.89 0.86 0.80
Martin St. Louis 0.98 0.94 0.89 0.83 0.75
Adam Oates 1.01 0.94 0.89 0.84 0.79
Denis Savard 0.95 0.91 0.89 0.84 0.74
Darryl Sittler 0.96 0.93 0.88 0.82 0.72
Milt Schmidt 0.95 0.91 0.88 0.83 0.75
Marty Barry 0.96 0.92 0.88 0.79 -
Gilbert Perreault 0.91 0.89 0.87 0.84 0.79
Henri Richard 0.93 0.90 0.87 0.84 0.77
Ron Francis 0.93 0.89 0.87 0.83 0.79
Ken Hodge 1.08 0.95 0.86 0.78 0.69
Pavel Datsyuk 0.89 0.88 0.86 0.83 0.76
Rod Gilbert 0.93 0.89 0.86 0.82 0.76
Toe Blake 0.91 0.88 0.86 0.82 -
Ryan Getzlaf 0.91 0.88 0.86 0.81 -
Roy Conacher 0.92 0.89 0.85 - -
Nicklas Backstrom 0.89 0.88 0.85 0.80 -
Daniel Alfredsson 0.95 0.88 0.85 0.81 0.76
Yvan Cournoyer 0.93 0.88 0.85 0.79 0.69
Dale Hawerchuk 0.94 0.89 0.85 0.80 0.75
Brett Hull 0.93 0.89 0.85 0.81 0.77
Pierre Turgeon 0.91 0.89 0.85 0.81 0.75
Ilya Kovalchuk 0.92 0.88 0.85 0.79 -
Sid Abel 0.93 0.90 0.85 0.77 -
Alex Delvecchio 0.89 0.86 0.85 0.83 0.78
Jason Spezza 0.94 0.89 0.84 0.79 -
Jarome Iginla 0.95 0.89 0.84 0.79 0.74
Dickie Moore 1.01 0.93 0.84 0.74 -
Pavel Bure 0.91 0.88 0.83 - -
Henrik Zetterberg 0.87 0.84 0.83 0.78 0.72
Bernie Nicholls 0.94 0.87 0.83 0.78 0.71
Pat LaFontaine 0.96 0.87 0.83 0.76 -
Ted Kennedy 0.92 0.87 0.82 0.77 -
Paul Thompson 0.95 0.89 0.82 0.70 -
Michel Goulet 0.95 0.89 0.82 0.74 0.67
Daniel Sedin 0.94 0.87 0.82 0.77 0.69
Henrik Sedin 0.91 0.86 0.82 0.78 0.70
Paul Kariya 0.89 0.85 0.82 0.76 -
Bernie Federko 0.86 0.84 0.82 0.77 -
Alexander Mogilny 0.86 0.84 0.81 0.78 0.71
Mark Recchi 0.85 0.83 0.81 0.78 0.73
John Tavares 0.91 0.86 0.81 - -
Jacques Lemaire 0.87 0.83 0.81 0.76 -
Steven Stamkos 0.93 0.89 0.81 - -
Kent Nilsson 0.85 0.83 0.81 - -
Phil Goyette 0.90 0.85 0.80 0.73 0.61
Jamie Benn 0.93 0.86 0.80 - -
Dave Taylor 0.89 0.84 0.80 0.74 0.66
Ziggy Palffy 0.85 0.82 0.80 0.74 -
Dany Heatley 0.90 0.86 0.80 0.73 -
Doug Gilmour 0.90 0.83 0.80 0.76 0.71
Luc Robitaille 0.84 0.81 0.80 0.78 0.73
Claude Giroux 0.90 0.86 0.80 - -
Hooley Smith 0.92 0.87 0.80 0.71 0.62
Herbie Lewis 0.87 0.84 0.80 0.69 -
Mike Modano 0.85 0.82 0.80 0.77 0.72
Mats Sundin 0.82 0.81 0.79 0.77 0.75
Marian Hossa 0.87 0.83 0.79 0.76 0.73
Pavol Demitra 0.83 0.81 0.79 0.75 -
Aurel Joliat 0.91 0.85 0.79 0.72 -
Lynn Patrick 0.91 0.87 0.79 0.69 -
Theoren Fleury 0.86 0.82 0.79 0.74 0.68
Sergei Fedorov 0.89 0.83 0.79 0.75 0.70
Syd Howe 0.85 0.81 0.79 0.75 0.68
Marc Savard 0.89 0.84 0.78 0.71 -
Keith Tkachuk 0.84 0.81 0.78 0.76 0.71
Markus Naslund 0.94 0.86 0.78 0.69 0.59
Red Kelly 0.83 0.80 0.78 0.73 0.67
Rick Martin 0.89 0.82 0.77 - -
Bert Olmstead 0.83 0.80 0.77 0.71 -
Patrik Elias 0.83 0.80 0.77 0.73 0.67
Eric Staal 0.84 0.80 0.77 0.73 -
Raymond Bourque 0.84 0.80 0.77 0.73 0.69
Cecil Dillon 0.84 0.80 0.77 0.68 -
Bryan Hextall 0.91 0.84 0.76 0.69 0.60
Joe Primeau 1.01 0.91 0.76 - -
Marian Gaborik 0.82 0.80 0.76 0.72 0.64
John LeClair 0.82 0.80 0.76 0.68 -
Brad Richards 0.84 0.80 0.76 0.72 0.66
Jeremy Roenick 0.80 0.78 0.76 0.73 0.69
Pete Mahovlich 0.88 0.80 0.76 0.71 -
Phil Watson 0.86 0.80 0.76 0.69 -
Rick Middleton 0.82 0.79 0.75 0.70 0.63
Dave Keon 0.82 0.78 0.75 0.72 0.67
Anze Kopitar 0.79 0.77 0.75 0.72 -
Denis Potvin 0.84 0.80 0.75 0.71 0.65
Bill Mosienko 0.83 0.78 0.75 0.72 -
Vincent Lecavalier 0.83 0.78 0.75 0.72 0.66
Bobby Rousseau 0.88 0.80 0.75 0.69 -
Brendan Shanahan 0.80 0.77 0.75 0.72 0.69
Corey Perry 0.85 0.78 0.75 0.70 -
Lanny McDonald 0.82 0.78 0.75 0.71 0.63
Rene Robert 0.81 0.79 0.75 0.69 -
Cooney Weiland 0.87 0.80 0.75 0.67 -
Phil Kessel 0.84 0.78 0.74 0.67 -
Jonathan Toews 0.79 0.77 0.74 0.71 -
Clint Smith 0.85 0.80 0.74 0.66 -
Alex Kovalev 0.86 0.80 0.74 0.68 0.62
Rick MacLeish 0.89 0.79 0.74 0.68 -
Johnny Gottselig 0.79 0.77 0.74 0.69 -
Charlie Simmer 0.92 0.79 0.74 - -
Bobby Bauer 0.82 0.80 0.74 - -
Doug Weight 0.78 0.75 0.74 0.71 0.66
Alex Tanguay 0.84 0.77 0.73 0.70 0.64
Lorne Carr 0.82 0.78 0.73 0.67 -
Glenn Anderson 0.83 0.77 0.73 0.69 0.63
Don McKenney 0.80 0.76 0.73 0.67 -
Tim Kerr 0.83 0.81 0.73 - -
Dino Ciccarelli 0.83 0.77 0.73 0.69 0.65
Joe Nieuwendyk 0.76 0.75 0.73 0.70 0.66
Joe Mullen 0.78 0.75 0.73 0.69 0.65
Alex Zhamnov 0.82 0.78 0.73 0.68 -
Mike Ribeiro 0.78 0.74 0.73 0.68 0.63
Pierre Larouche 0.84 0.78 0.73 0.68 -
Tod Sloan 0.82 0.78 0.73 0.63 -
Joe Pavelski 0.82 0.78 0.73 0.67 -
Bun Cook 0.77 0.74 0.72 0.69 -
Taylor Hall 0.83 0.79 0.72 - -
Zach Parise 0.78 0.75 0.72 0.67 -
Brad Park 0.79 0.75 0.72 0.68 0.61
Ray Whitney 0.76 0.74 0.72 0.70 0.67
Larry Aurie 0.96 0.85 0.72 0.61 -
Pit Martin 0.82 0.78 0.72 0.67 0.60
Eddie Wiseman 0.79 0.76 0.72 0.62 -
Alexei Yashin 0.80 0.75 0.72 0.69 -
Brian Propp 0.81 0.76 0.72 0.68 0.61
Rick Nash 0.78 0.75 0.72 0.68 0.62
Cam Neely 0.83 0.76 0.72 0.64 -
Alexander Semin 0.85 0.78 0.72 0.63 -
Steve Shutt 0.84 0.78 0.71 0.65 -
Buddy O'Connor 0.86 0.78 0.71 0.64 -
Dennis Maruk 0.81 0.76 0.71 0.65 -
Patrick Marleau 0.75 0.73 0.71 0.68 0.63
Bobby Smith 0.80 0.75 0.71 0.68 0.61
Tyler Seguin 0.93 0.84 0.71 - -
Camille Henry 0.79 0.73 0.71 0.65 -
Bill Thoms 0.86 0.78 0.71 0.64 -
Woody Dumart 0.79 0.74 0.71 0.66 0.56
Dit Clapper 0.81 0.74 0.71 0.66 0.61
Peter Bondra 0.78 0.74 0.70 0.66 0.61
Red Berenson 0.82 0.77 0.70 0.61 -
Milan Hejduk 0.80 0.73 0.70 0.66 0.59
Kevin Stevens 0.84 0.77 0.70 0.60 -
Syl Apps 0.85 0.77 0.70 0.60 -
Thomas Vanek 0.77 0.73 0.70 0.66 -
Johnny Gagnon 0.81 0.77 0.70 0.59 -
Vincent Damphousse 0.74 0.72 0.70 0.67 0.64
Fred Stanfield 0.80 0.76 0.70 0.61 -
Erik Karlsson 0.83 0.80 0.70 - -
Wayne Cashman 0.84 0.75 0.70 0.65 0.59
Butch Goring 0.78 0.73 0.70 0.65 0.58
Bill Barber 0.80 0.73 0.70 0.67 -
Steve Larmer 0.74 0.71 0.70 0.67 -
Neil Colville 0.84 0.79 0.70 - -
Jimmy Ward 0.77 0.75 0.70 0.60 -
Al MacInnis 0.74 0.72 0.70 0.67 0.65
Jim Pappin 0.79 0.74 0.70 0.62 -
Rod Brind'Amour 0.75 0.72 0.69 0.66 0.63
Vic Hadfield 0.79 0.72 0.69 0.64 0.57
Billy Taylor 0.81 0.77 0.69 - -
Kenny Wharram 0.84 0.76 0.69 0.63 -
Garry Unger 0.75 0.71 0.69 0.63 0.54
Robert Lang 0.79 0.72 0.69 0.62 0.53
Craig Janney 0.74 0.72 0.69 0.64 -
Gaye Stewart 0.83 0.76 0.69 - -
John McKenzie 0.89 0.80 0.69 0.59 -
Dave Andreychuk 0.73 0.71 0.69 0.66 0.62
Mike Gartner 0.73 0.71 0.69 0.66 0.63
Blake Wheeler 0.78 0.75 0.69 - -
Tomas Sandstrom 0.79 0.73 0.69 0.63 0.54
Paul Stastny 0.73 0.72 0.69 0.64 -
Steve Sullivan 0.76 0.72 0.69 0.63 0.58
Walt Tkaczuk 0.85 0.75 0.69 0.61 -
Baldy Northcott 0.86 0.77 0.69 0.57 -
Rick Tocchet 0.77 0.72 0.68 0.64 0.60
Dennis Hull 0.78 0.72 0.68 0.61 -
Tom Lysiak 0.74 0.71 0.68 0.66 -
Sid Smith 0.75 0.71 0.68 - -
Doc Romnes 0.82 0.75 0.68 - -
Neal Broten 0.77 0.74 0.68 0.62 0.55
Patrick Sharp 0.77 0.71 0.68 0.62 -
Herb Cain 0.80 0.72 0.68 0.63 -
Art Chapman 0.86 0.76 0.68 0.55 -
Owen Nolan 0.76 0.72 0.68 0.64 0.58
Dean Prentice 0.74 0.71 0.68 0.64 0.61
Peter McNab 0.75 0.71 0.68 0.61 -
Johnny Peirson 0.79 0.74 0.68 - -
Todd Bertuzzi 0.88 0.75 0.67 0.61 0.53
Wilf Paiement 0.76 0.72 0.67 0.62 -
Paul Ronty 0.85 0.79 0.67 - -
Jeff Carter 0.73 0.70 0.67 0.63 -
Guy Chouinard 0.83 0.74 0.67 - -
Barry Pederson 0.83 0.74 0.67 - -
Martin Havlat 0.76 0.71 0.67 0.59 -
Bill Hay 0.72 0.69 0.67 - -
Jean Pronovost 0.76 0.70 0.67 0.61 -
Brian Leetch 0.71 0.68 0.66 0.64 0.60
Bill Goldsworthy 0.80 0.73 0.66 0.56 -
Ace Bailey 0.98 0.80 0.66 - -
Saku Koivu 0.70 0.68 0.66 0.63 0.58
Patrice Bergeron 0.70 0.68 0.66 0.63 -
David Krejci 0.72 0.69 0.66 0.61 -
Daniel Briere 0.80 0.74 0.66 0.55 -
Gary Roberts 0.75 0.70 0.66 0.62 0.55
Martin Straka 0.75 0.71 0.66 0.60 0.53
Olli Jokinen 0.75 0.69 0.66 0.60 0.51
Max Pacioretty 0.73 0.72 0.66 - -
Jakub Voracek 0.79 0.73 0.66 - -
Murray Oliver 0.78 0.71 0.66 0.62 0.56
Jason Arnott 0.70 0.68 0.66 0.63 0.60
Paul Henderson 0.75 0.70 0.66 0.59 -
Ed Litzenberger 0.81 0.72 0.66 - -
John Ogrodnick 0.77 0.70 0.66 0.61 -
Glen Murray 0.74 0.69 0.66 0.58 0.48
Phil Housley 0.69 0.68 0.66 0.63 0.60
Shane Doan 0.71 0.67 0.65 0.62 0.58
James Neal 0.81 0.71 0.65 - -
Ebbie Goodfellow 0.76 0.69 0.65 0.61 -
Tony Amonte 0.72 0.68 0.65 0.61 0.56
Fleming MacKell 0.76 0.70 0.65 0.56 -
Scott Gomez 0.72 0.68 0.65 0.62 0.55
Mike Bullard 0.76 0.69 0.65 0.58 -
Don Raleigh 0.75 0.70 0.65 - -
Mats Naslund 0.72 0.68 0.65 - -
Nicklas Lidstrom 0.70 0.67 0.65 0.62 0.58
Kris Letang 0.82 0.78 0.65 - -
Simon Gagne 0.73 0.69 0.65 0.59 -
Ryan Smyth 0.69 0.67 0.65 0.61 0.56
Mikko Koivu 0.68 0.66 0.65 0.62 -
Cory Stillman 0.76 0.69 0.65 0.60 0.54
Logan Couture 0.70 0.67 0.65 - -
Brian Bellows 0.71 0.67 0.65 0.61 0.56
Jozef Stumpel 0.73 0.69 0.65 0.59 0.52
Vic Stasiuk 0.72 0.68 0.64 0.56 -
Claude Provost 0.73 0.69 0.64 0.58 0.51
Alex Steen 0.76 0.68 0.64 0.58 -
Gary Dornhoefer 0.74 0.68 0.64 0.57 -
Gus Bodnar 0.72 0.67 0.64 0.60 -
Rick Vaive 0.70 0.66 0.64 0.59 -
Doug Mohns 0.75 0.68 0.64 0.59 0.53
Jordan Eberle 0.73 0.69 0.64 - -
Danny Gare 0.75 0.69 0.64 0.57 -
Matt Duchene 0.75 0.71 0.64 - -
Andre Boudrias 0.76 0.70 0.64 - -
Bob Nevin 0.71 0.67 0.64 0.60 0.55
Bronco Horvath 0.85 0.73 0.64 - -
Ken Linseman 0.67 0.65 0.64 0.61 -
Petr Nedved 0.72 0.68 0.63 0.58 -
Sergei Zubov 0.70 0.67 0.63 0.58 0.53
Jason Pominville 0.69 0.65 0.63 0.61 -
Paul MacLean 0.72 0.67 0.63 - -
Danny Grant 0.70 0.67 0.63 - -
Ivan Boldirev 0.69 0.66 0.63 0.59 0.55
Kirk Muller 0.69 0.67 0.63 0.58 0.53
Loui Eriksson 0.72 0.67 0.63 0.56 -
Grant Warwick 0.68 0.66 0.63 - -
Bill Guerin 0.72 0.67 0.63 0.58 0.53
Pat Verbeek 0.70 0.66 0.63 0.60 0.54
Harry Watson 0.71 0.67 0.63 0.57 0.52
George Armstrong 0.66 0.64 0.63 0.61 0.58
Alex Shibicky 0.72 0.68 0.63 - -
Miroslav Satan 0.69 0.66 0.63 0.58 -
Mike Walton 0.74 0.69 0.63 - -
Eddie Shore 0.73 0.68 0.63 0.58 -
Mickey Redmond 0.80 0.74 0.63 - -
Ray Getliffe 0.70 0.67 0.62 - -
Bobby Schmautz 0.72 0.68 0.62 0.56 -
Larry Robinson 0.72 0.66 0.62 0.58 0.53
Derek Sanderson 0.70 0.66 0.62 - -
Anton Stastny 0.66 0.64 0.62 - -
Sergei Gonchar 0.66 0.64 0.62 0.59 0.53
Edgar Laprade 0.70 0.65 0.62 - -
Steve Vickers 0.69 0.65 0.62 - -
Bob Pulford 0.67 0.64 0.62 0.58 0.53
George Gee 0.69 0.65 0.62 - -
Brad Marchand 0.76 0.68 0.62 - -
Bobby Ryan 0.66 0.64 0.62 - -
Tom Anderson 0.75 0.69 0.62 - -
Brent Sutter 0.72 0.66 0.62 0.57 0.50
Vyacheslav Kozlov 0.67 0.65 0.62 0.57 0.52
Ales Hemsky 0.71 0.68 0.62 0.56 -
Chris Kunitz 0.74 0.67 0.61 0.57 -
Joe Carveth 0.65 0.63 0.61 - -
Rick Kehoe 0.67 0.64 0.61 0.59 -
T.J. Oshie 0.68 0.63 0.61 - -
Brent Burns 0.77 0.70 0.61 0.54 -
Jimmy Carson 0.76 0.67 0.61 - -
Carl Liscombe 0.69 0.65 0.61 - -
Ralph Backstrom 0.70 0.64 0.61 0.58 0.52
Gregg Sheppard 0.70 0.66 0.61 0.52 -
Kyle Okposo 0.78 0.67 0.61 - -
Brian Sutter 0.67 0.63 0.61 0.52 -
Michael Nylander 0.71 0.65 0.61 0.56 -
Vaclav Prospal 0.71 0.65 0.61 0.54 -
Buzz Boll 0.72 0.66 0.61 0.54 -
Guy Lapointe 0.68 0.64 0.61 0.57 -
Andy McDonald 0.72 0.67 0.61 0.54 -
Ed Olczyk 0.66 0.63 0.61 0.56 0.50
Petr Sykora 0.68 0.63 0.61 0.57 -
John Sorrell 0.70 0.65 0.61 0.54 -
Dave Trottier 0.72 0.66 0.61 0.53 -
Dan Quinn 0.70 0.65 0.61 0.57 -
Thomas Steen 0.70 0.65 0.61 0.56 -
Dennis Hextall 0.75 0.67 0.61 - -
Mush March 0.72 0.66 0.61 0.56 0.50
Pierre Pilote 0.70 0.66 0.61 0.54 -
Clark Gillies 0.72 0.65 0.60 0.54 -
Andrew Cassels 0.67 0.63 0.60 0.56 0.51
Radim Vrbata 0.69 0.63 0.60 0.56 0.49
Derek Stepan 0.72 0.66 0.60 - -
Steve Thomas 0.64 0.61 0.60 0.57 0.54
Hec Kilrea 0.70 0.64 0.60 0.55 -
Tim Young 0.70 0.63 0.60 - -
Tomas Plekanec 0.64 0.62 0.60 0.54 -
Paul Gardner 0.74 0.67 0.60 - -
Babe Siebert 0.69 0.64 0.60 0.55 -
John Tonelli 0.67 0.63 0.60 0.56 0.50
John Cullen 0.75 0.67 0.60 - -
Patrik Sundstrom 0.71 0.67 0.60 - -
Paul Haynes 0.85 0.75 0.60 - -
Bryan Little 0.68 0.64 0.60 0.53 -
Michael Cammalleri 0.68 0.63 0.60 - -
Andrew Brunette 0.68 0.63 0.60 0.55 -
Jude Drouin 0.70 0.64 0.60 - -
Borje Salming 0.69 0.65 0.60 0.55 0.49
Ryan Kesler 0.66 0.62 0.60 0.53 -
Keith Primeau 0.66 0.63 0.59 0.54 -
Stephane Richer 0.67 0.62 0.59 0.56 0.51
J.P. Parise 0.71 0.65 0.59 0.54 -
Larry Murphy 0.64 0.61 0.59 0.56 0.53
Guy Charron 0.68 0.64 0.59 0.51 -
Ray Sheppard 0.66 0.62 0.59 0.56 -
Chris Drury 0.64 0.63 0.59 0.55 -
Don Marshall 0.67 0.64 0.59 0.54 0.48
Doug Harvey 0.64 0.62 0.59 0.55 0.49
Doug Wilson 0.62 0.60 0.59 0.56 0.50
Justin Williams 0.63 0.61 0.59 0.55 0.52
Robert Reichel 0.66 0.63 0.59 0.53 -
Thomas Gradin 0.66 0.62 0.59 - -
Harry Oliver 0.74 0.65 0.59 0.51 -
Mud Bruneteau 0.68 0.64 0.59 0.53 -
Mike Richards 0.71 0.64 0.59 0.52 -
Mike Ridley 0.64 0.61 0.59 0.56 -
Derek Roy 0.67 0.63 0.59 0.53 -
Cal Gardner 0.67 0.62 0.59 0.54 -
Andrew Ladd 0.69 0.63 0.59 0.52 -
Ryan O'Reilly 0.69 0.65 0.59 - -
Ron Ellis 0.63 0.61 0.59 0.55 0.50
Dave Gagner 0.63 0.61 0.59 0.55 -
Tommy Williams 0.68 0.62 0.59 - -
Dave Creighton 0.68 0.63 0.58 - -
Kevin Dineen 0.69 0.63 0.58 0.53 0.47
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A few comments:
  • Biggest surprise in the three year category? Bill Cowley ranks 7th all-time (after only the Big Four, Esposito, and Lafleur). Consistent, steady players like Modano (137th) and Sundin (170th) don't look great over this time frame. Over this short period, Markus Naslund ranks ahead of luminaries like Hawerchuk, Perreault and Gilmour.
  • In the five year category, Charlie Conacher looks great (12th all-time). Busher Jackson is a decimal point out of the top twenty.
  • I'm not surprised to see that in the seven year category, Lafleur and Jagr lead the way (after the Big Four and Esposito), but Crosby is right behind them (and that's excluding his 2012 season entirely).
  • Around one-quarter of players have dropped off in the ten year category (Orr, Drillon, Conacher and Bure are the most notable).
  • By the time we reach the fifteen year category, nearly 60% of the list no longer qualifies (including Lemieux, Crosby, Apps, Cowley, Malkin, Bossy, Ovechkin, Lach, Morenz, Forsberg, Lindros, Stastny, Conacher, and Boucher). There are four distinct categories - Gretzky, Howe & Esposito, the next tier (Beliveau, Mikita, Jagr, Hull, Dionne & Richard), then everyone else.
 
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