Post-Game Talk: Ref Wings @ Sens

[topshelf15]

But still why is an " injured " player receiving so many minutes on the ice.

Because Zibby hasnt been good

 

[ColinM]

One of the worst giveaways of ever seen from EK on the first goal. Not sure what he was thinking there, but what happened happened. He realized his mistake right after. Don't fault him on that second goal, just bad luck. Again though, Phaneuf has looked awesome since his first game. Love how he gets fired up and is really feeling it. If we see that fire for the rest of the season then we will make the playoffs. It will be a tough road from here on out, but we can make it. Our defense has played very well as a whole recently.

It probably did not help that so few Sens surrounded Karlsson on the first goal.

 

[Micklebot]

Looks to me he assumed it was a Sens player in front of the net as he was pressured by two Wings players... didn't look before making that 'pass'.

Yep, and I'm thinking Anilousiwhatnot called for it. He was setup where the Sens forward should have been.

Communication was part of the issue, Anderson or Methot need to be his eyes while being double teamed like that. They can let him know he has no support and to make the safe play (eat the puck, or rim it along the boards).

Truth be told, a lot more than a bad pass happened on that play. Anderson put Karlsson is a bad spot with the pass, no coverage by the forwards at all (Ryan was the first one back and well behind Anilousio), and nobody let Karlsson know he had zero support.

Karlsson can't make the dangerous play like that without being sure it's there, but this was more than just one player making a mistake.

 

[DuckedUpOnQuack]

Looks to me he assumed it was a Sens player in front of the net as he was pressured by two Wings players... didn't look before making that 'pass'.

That's what I think. On the replay Karlsson's all alone against 3 Det players, so he probably thought it would be a safe play to make. Little did he know there were 0 forwards anywhere offering puck support.

I think it speaks a bit more to our lack of defensive structure from the forwards. How does Karlsson get pressure from 2 Wings, with a third right in the slot, and nobody is around to help?

 

[ColinM]

Which is also a testament to how bad our centres are.

 

[Micklebot]

That's what I think. On the replay Karlsson's all alone against 3 Det players, so he probably thought it would be a safe play to make. Little did he know there were 0 forwards anywhere offering puck support.

I think it speaks a bit more to our lack of defensive structure from the forwards. How does Karlsson get pressure from 2 Wings, with a third right in the slot, and nobody is around to help?

I never caught a good replay, but I'm thinking line change?

 

[Holdurbreathe]

Ankle injury. Probably can't get any power out of that leg.

Turris looks to be skating fine, but he is just getting overpowered in any battle.

IMO if this is the best he can play under the circumstances, the team would be better off without him because not only is he not contributing (shoot out goals aside)he is dragging down his linemates.

If the Sens really want to go on a run, either Turris needs to play significantly better or Cameron needs to stop playing him 20 minutes a game.

 

[DuckedUpOnQuack]

I never caught a good replay, but I'm thinking line change?

Most likely, which means it was a pretty brutal line change. Welcome to the Ottawa Senators

 

[topshelf15]

Turris looks to be skating fine, but he is just getting overpowered in any battle.

IMO if this is the best he can play under the circumstances, the team would be better off without him because not only is he not contributing (shoot out goals aside)he is dragging down his linemates.

If the Sens really want to go on a run, either Turris needs to play significantly better or Cameron needs to stop playing him 20 minutes a game.

Heard something about a shoulder issue ,on the team 1200 last night .It does seem to make some sense ,but i think its all spectualation

 

[topshelf15]

Turris looks to be skating fine, but he is just getting overpowered in any battle.

IMO if this is the best he can play under the circumstances, the team would be better off without him because not only is he not contributing (shoot out goals aside)he is dragging down his linemates.

If the Sens really want to go on a run, either Turris needs to play significantly better or Cameron needs to stop playing him 20 minutes a game.

We were 1 and 5 with him out of the lineup ,and 4 and 3 with him in .A 70 % Turris still does more for this team right now than a 100% Zibby .That kid needs to get his act together soon

 

[Holdurbreathe]

That's what I think. On the replay Karlsson's all alone against 3 Det players, so he probably thought it would be a safe play to make. Little did he know there were 0 forwards anywhere offering puck support.

I think it speaks a bit more to our lack of defensive structure from the forwards. How does Karlsson get pressure from 2 Wings, with a third right in the slot, and nobody is around to help?

IMO it started with Andy putting EK in a bad spot.

Instead of putting the puck into EK's corner it should have gone to Methot who was uncovered.

Andy has to read the forecheckers approach and put the puck in the safest position, in this case he didn't and put EK in a terrible position.

EK coughed it up.

 

[HavlatMach9]

Karlsson can't make the dangerous play like that without being sure it's there,

karlsson broke down that play. He counted and the two detroit players and figured the 3rd one was a teammate and passed without looking. Had he looked, he would have known, but at the same time, the Detroit players would be on him. Said he'll have to find a balance.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

Looks to me he assumed it was a Sens player in front of the net as he was pressured by two Wings players... didn't look before making that 'pass'.

He said he assumed it was another Sen. Said he heard someone call had two guys on him and assumed one of his players would be there. And he was wrong.

But it is what it is. A bad play that doesn't define a player.

 

[Icelevel]

Omg! Karlsson made a mistake!

He's only our best and most consistent player by an astronomical unit. Can we move on now?

Edit: sorry it looks like most have moved on, and I just focused on a couple bad posts. Moving on...

 

[Holdurbreathe]

We were 1 and 5 with him out of the lineup ,and 4 and 3 with him in .A 70 % Turris still does more for this team right now than a 100% Zibby .That kid needs to get his act together soon

This is pure unadulterated nonsense.

Since Turris has returned to the line-up he has taken 6 shots and produced a total of ZERO in regulation and O/T playing ~20 minutes a game.

Over that same set of games Zibanejad has had 20 shots and produced 1 goal and 4 assists playing ~16 minutes per game and you think he needs to get his act together.

 

[topshelf15]

This is pure unadulterated nonsense.

Since Turris has returned to the line-up he has produced a total of ZERO in regulation and O/T playing ~20 minutes a game.

Over that same set of games Zibanejad has produced 1 goal and 4 assists playing ~16 minutes per game and you think he needs to get his act together.

Zibby has been a blackhole offensively and has dragged down every winger he has had played with ,sometimes i swear its like you dont even watch hockey

 

[MiscBrah]

The game wasn't helped by the fact that we had a rookie referee in Hanson working the game alone. Hanson doesn't even have an officiating background - he comes from this weird program the NHL has instituted where they run a training camp every year for former players to come out and try their hand at officiating. I am a big believer in experience, so I think they should stick to recruiting the guys who come up through the ranks of minor and junior hockey, but Bettman's gonna Bettman...

No one is reffing anymore. The pay at the lower leagues is being cut and the abuse is so high that nobody will put up with it. I remember reading an article a few years ago talking about the coming crisis of referees as the old school guys start to retire.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

Zibby has been a blackhole offensively and has dragged down every winger he has had played with ,sometimes i swear its like you dont even watch hockey

Turris hasn't scored in 24 games and has a total offensive production equaling 10 points since Dec 1st 2015 and Zibby is an offensive blackhole dragging down his wingers.

Gotcha.

 

[HavlatMach9]

We were 1 and 5 with him out of the lineup ,and 4 and 3 with him in .A 70 % Turris still does more for this team right now than a 100% Zibby .That kid needs to get his act together soon

this doesn't matter because we don't know what the record is with Z out of the current lineup. With a laboring Turris, Z is the better player right now

 

[topshelf15]

Turris hasn't scored in 24 games and has a total offensive production equaling 10 points since Dec 1st 2015 and Zibby is an offensive blackhole dragging down his wingers.

Gotcha.

You really dont have a clue do you ???Zibby is the main reason we went 1 and 5 .Guy cant cut first line mins,and needs the very best in wingers to even produce at respectable pace .He is a softer version of Mike fisher

 

[topshelf15]

this doesn't matter because we don't know what the record is with Z out of the current lineup. With a laboring Turris, Z is the better player right now

Sure it does ,Zibby was given the top line slot and failed .Not the first time this has happened ,kid is never going to be a top line center .Probably tops out as a elite number 3 or a solid number 2

 

[Holdurbreathe]

You really dont have a clue do you ???Zibby is the main reason we went 1 and 5 .Guy cant cut first line mins,and needs the very best in wingers to even produce at respectable pace .He is a softer version of Mike fisher

So your response to the facts is personal insults.

Figures.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Zibby needs to grow as a player and improve....but he is not the problem with this team. He hasn't been costing us games.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

Sure it does ,Zibby was given the top line slot and failed .Not the first time this has happened ,kid is never going to be a top line center .Probably tops out as a elite number 3 or a solid number 2

So what you are saying is when the team loses the guy playing in the #1 center position is to blame.

Using this logic, Turris must be the guy to blame for 21 loses and has obviously topped out and regressing to a not so solid #3.

Your bias is hanging out.

 

[topshelf15]

So your response to the facts is personal insults.

Figures.

Stop being so sensitive ,Zibby hasnt been good this isnt a lie .JGP was an offensive force with Turris out of the lineup and carried the team,s production .Zibby has been what he has been up to this point which is wildly inconsistant