Ref assist on leafs shorty.

In football, if the ball hits the referee then play is blown dead and possession is given to the possessing team. Seems a simple solution to a rare problem.

..anf then we get the almost unnoticeable glance off a ref in the finals which leads to a disallowed goal that cost a team a cup. I can see the video review now as it's determined the puck brushed a pant leg after 15 minutes wait.

I don't think it's a good idea.
 
..anf then we get the almost unnoticeable glance off a ref in the finals which leads to a disallowed goal that cost a team a cup. I can see the video review now as it's determined the puck brushed a pant leg after 15 minutes wait.

I don't think it's a good idea.

I don't think there's a perfect answer, but it's not a reviewable thing. If the ref feels it hit them, he blows play dead.
 
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I’ve actually seen worse. Last year a ref kicked a puck directly to a Sabres opponent from the corner to set up an open cross ice pass for a goal. He was very apologetic…but actively kicking a puck away is infinitely worse than falling down
Funny thing about .... If he didn't move at all the puck would have missed him.......
 
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In football, if the ball hits the referee then play is blown dead and possession is given to the possessing team. Seems a simple solution to a rare problem.
i assume you mean US football? In soccer play continues. The official is part of the pitch as per hockey. I have no issue with it.
 
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I don't think there's a perfect answer, but it's not a reviewable thing. If the ref feels it hit them, he blows play dead.

We could do that but pucks hitting refs leading to goals are so insanely rare though that we probably should just let it be. At least in this case it wasn't just the puck bouncing off a ref to some guy wide open out front to pop it in. Pretty clean finish on a goalie who was set.
 
In football, if the ball hits the referee then play is blown dead and possession is given to the possessing team. Seems a simple solution to a rare problem.
pucks hit the ref every game, especially in the corners during boardplay, you want all those extra whistles?

refs are fair game, its a rule thats been around a long time, its not an advantage/disadvantage any more or any less than a rut in the ice causing a bouncing puck. Just move on and get ready for the faceoff.
 
Hockey: part of the game. Pucks hitting them are in play no matter what happens,
pucks hit the ref every game, especially in the corners during boardplay, you want all those extra whistles?

refs are fair game, its a rule thats been around a long time, its not an advantage/disadvantage any more or any less than a rut in the ice causing a bouncing puck. Just move on and get ready for the faceoff.

The puck didnt hit him accidentally or from close range.... He stopped the puck like Superman...... :laugh:
 
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All I've seen of it is the clip posted in the OP. It looks like he was the back referee during the power play, so as far as I can tell from the clip, he was more or less in the right position (the clip doesn't show him actually inside the zone, and you're not supposed to cross the blue line as the back referee in the four-official system). To answer your question about if there a foul behind the Toronto goal, that would be where the front referee is supposed to be looking, so it would have been on Kendrick Nicholson to see it. It also looks like he was anticipating the play coming the other way as Toronto went to clear the puck, then caught an edge in an attempt to pivot towards skating back towards the Colorado zone, which is the correct thing to do. However, I will also say that I had pretty limited experience working in the four-official system, and when I did, it was exclusively as a linesman. But, based on what I do know and what I'm able to see in the posted clip, Kelly Sutherland didn't do anything wrong other than having awful luck in catching an edge causing him to fall.
Thanks for the explanation. I dont know much about refereeing, this back/front referee thing is something i hear for the first time ever... and it is interesting to know.
As an Avs fan, i was obviously unhappy yesterday, when it happened, but naturally i dont think it was on purpose. And luckily it was not a super important game, like play-off one or whatever.
 
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And luckily it was not a super important game, like play-off one or whatever.

Lets hear what Tampa and the Panthers think of it who are fighting for the Top seed in the Atlantic...I really hope for the league, and our comedian in stripes, Mr. Sutherland, in general it doesnt come down to this point or regulation win...... :popcorn::laugh:

And i am sure the AVS also wanted to make at final push for at least home-ice in Round 1.......And they still are in a fight with the Wild for that 3rd place in the Central...

It is what it is.

But i dont like this "downplay" at this point of the season......
 
Thanks for the explanation. I dont know much about refereeing, this back/front referee thing is something i hear for the first time ever... and it is interesting to know.
As an Avs fan, i was obviously unhappy yesterday, when it happened, but naturally i dont think it was on purpose. And luckily it was not a super important game, like play-off one or whatever.

I can talk more about it if you're interested, but if not, feel free to ignore this post as it might be a little bit long-winded.

In the four-official system (two referees, two linesmen), here follows the basic approximate positioning of the four officials when the play is in one of the zones. I should also mention that I was taught the USA Hockey system, and the NHL system is based more on the Hockey Canada system, which is slightly different, but they're more or less pretty similar either way.

Front referee: positioned near one of the corners of the ice, generally not too far from the goal line. If the puck is on the near side of the ice, he will generally be as close to the boards as possible for the best view he can get in order to watch the play around where the puck is. He may be below the goal line if the puck is above the goal line, and if the puck moves close to the goal line, his options are to retreat closer to the net, or make a move around where the puck is by skating towards the net and pivoting around in order to get "above" the puck. If he's "above" the puck and the puck gets passed up to the point, he will do the reverse and pivot around the players who were on the side boards in order to get back towards the corner. If the puck gets close to the net, he'll skate towards the net in order to both get a better view of any potential infractions in a goal mouth scramble, to see if the goalie covers the puck, or if a goal is scored (but with video review in the NHL, this last one is slightly less important). When the puck is on the far side of the ice, he'll be positioned near the goal line, again watching the play around where the puck is, moving closer to or further away from the end boards so the net doesn't block his view of the play. There's more to it than that, but that's a rough description of what he does.

Back referee: positioned in the neutral zone on the opposite side of the ice as the front referee. Mostly watches behind the play, but can occasionally catch something that happens. Occasionally the front referee will be on the end boards with the puck in the corner, and will retreat behind the net in order to switch sides of the ice. The back referee will then also switch sides of the ice. However, in USA Hockey at least, you're very, very heavily discouraged from going behind the net to switch sides, but I see NHL referees do it more often. The reason for the discouragement is that USA Hockey officials will also often work the three-official system with only one referee (but still two linesmen), and they don't want you to get into that habit since when you're in the three-official system you don't want to be in the middle of going behind the net only to have the play suddenly go the other way and be stuck way behind the play.

Front linesman: almost right on the blue line. Retreats here after dropping the puck for a faceoff. Holds the line in order to make calls on whether the point man keeps the zone or to determine if the puck has exited the zone. In the NHL, he will often verbally yell out when the puck has exited the zone, but when I worked as a linesman, most of us didn't.

Back linesman: positioned in the neutral zone, a little bit inside the red line, on the opposite side of the ice as the front linesman. When you're the back linesman you don't really have a lot on your plate, so not much to say here. Sometimes the front linesman has the play come up near the blue line on his side of the ice, forcing him out into the neutral zone, so the back linesman will get closer to the blue line in order to get a better view of whether the puck gets held in the zone or exits the zone. Occasionally you'll see the linesmen do a front/back switch as a result of this happening.

Another thing that linesmen do is that when the puck is blown dead, usually as a result of the goalie covering the puck, they'll both skate into the zone towards the net (and sometimes very quickly depending on what's happening) in order to discourage or break up any rough stuff. That's actually a large part of the reason for having linesmen; they're kind of like bouncers on the ice. That's why you see a lot of linesmen who are big and tall, since it's their job to discourage and break up altercations. Referees sit back and watch for what to call when an altercation, post-whistle scrum, fight, etc. break out, and will only physically intervene if something imminently very dangerous is about to happen, such as, say, a goalie covering the puck, having his mask fall off, and an opposing player trying to start punching him in the face before the linesmen can skate in to do their thing.

When the play goes the other way, everything reverses: front becomes back, and back becomes front. The back linesman hustles towards the blue line to make (or not make) the offside call on the zone entry, becoming the front linesman in the process. Ideally the former back (and now front) referee will already be in the zone. The former front (now back) referee and linesman don't usually have a reason to hustle into place.

That's a very basic rundown of what the four officials do when the play is in the zone, such as the power play Colorado was on right before the incident that this thread is about. There's much more to it, such as what they do when the puck is dead, in the neutral zone, and so on, to the point that USA Hockey makes supplemental officiating manuals covering this stuff, and they can be quite long depending on the level they're aimed at.

If you read this whole post, then I commend you. I feel like I've written enough about it at this point. :)
 
I was at the game last night and the funniest part of the play was that the a good portion of the crowd was booing at first as the ref had stopped the Leaf's full icing item on PK.....and I was like....what are the boos for, this is actually helping the Leafs....sure enough, few seconds later, puck is in the back of the net.

It also a bit weird.....I was sitting on the side of the ice on the side the ref dove from, so he was diving away from us. I was watching the PP to my left and when the puck was shot out, I glanced to the right and saw something on the ice I thought for a split second....what is that? Oh, it's the ref, what the hell happened? Needed the replay to see the diving to try and duck from the puck I guess.
 
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Shit is going to happen and obviously this was not intentionally but I'd like to see a goal be nullified if there was obstruction from a referee on the ice. I mean if there was an object thrown by a fan and it influenced the play on the ice, wouldn't be a no goal? But mind you, wasn't there an incident a few weeks ago involving Edmonton and a fan throwing nachos on the ice and the opposing goalie maybe being "distracted". IDK but I think there should be some kind of rule that nullifies a goal with "outsied" influence.

Cheers
 
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pucks hit the ref every game, especially in the corners during boardplay, you want all those extra whistles?

refs are fair game, its a rule thats been around a long time, its not an advantage/disadvantage any more or any less than a rut in the ice causing a bouncing puck. Just move on and get ready for the faceoff.

I wouldn't go as far as saying it happens every game, it's not going to add many delays if any. It would stop things like this happening though, and isn't that worth a little delay?
 
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