Redraft 2021

[HockeyWooot]

It’s a strong draft class, really hard to say. Development isn’t linear we can look into early promise but not overweight sophomore slumps.

I probably have Hughes at 1 by virtue of being youngest in his draft class by a fair margin.

My ballpark ceiling projections, hard to compare different player styles.


Hughes- 1D, top 10-15 dman or higher? Norris nom?

Guenther- top line winger, sniper. Regular top 10-15 winger in the league.

Power- offensive 2 way d, top 10-25 dman

Johnson- offensive 1c- 85-100 pt ceiling

Johnston- regular 70-85 pt all situations 1C, leader and future captain.

Edvinsson- top pairing high leverage 2way D, top 10-25 dman

McTavish- heavy 35g/70+pt 1C (playing behind Carlsson). Future captain.

Clarke- top pairing offensive d, top10-30 dman

Knies-60-70 pt power forward

Beniers- 70pt 2 way C, all situations and leadership. Future captain.

Eklund-70- 70pt 2way winger, top line.

Stankoven- top 6 winger, 60-70pts

Coronato- 30-30 scoring winger

Sillinger- hard nosed 2way 2C, leadership.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

The top 10 of the 2021 draft (outside of Boucher, lol) Is filthy. That was super deep draft.

Boucher is one of the worst picks of all time. It was horrible the day it made and everyone called it terrible. There’s some great picks after 10 too. That boucher pick seriously set Ottawa back.

 

[CowbellConray]

kid's just been one of the most reliable scorer since his oil kings days. every team hes on, clutch as hell too.

I think he is a good player, dont get me wrong. I just think right now he is being put in very favorable situations. I get it, you still need to deliver in those moments. I think Dylan is right there with Mctavish when it comes to valuation of the future.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

I honestly don't get Johnston over Edvinsson but I think a lot of people still aren't really aware of how good Edvinsson is, either.

He's "2nd pairing" on Detroit because when they paired him with Seider, they got obliterated in the 35 minutes that neither was on the ice. He's absolutely a first pairing defenseman, despite having just turned 22 today.

You don't get how a young player who plays, PP, PK, puts up points, leads all forwards on TOI on one of the better teams in the league, who has 38 games of playoff experience at 21 leads Edvinsson?? lol OK

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Boucher is one of the worst picks of all time. It was horrible the day it made and everyone called it terrible. There’s some great picks after 10 too. That boucher pick seriously set Ottawa back.

Even with that, things have gone about as badly and unluckily as possible for him

 

[RedHawkDown]

You don't get how a young player who plays, PP, PK, puts up points, leads all forwards on TOI on one of the better teams in the league, who has 38 games of playoff experience at 21 leads Edvinsson?? lol OK

I mean "young player" is kind of irrelevant since they're the same age?

Johnston is great but he's on a 69 point pace after 65 last year, not exactly an elite producer (yet). I'm not sure how having playoff experience is relevant to a single player? If their spots were flipped Ed would have the experience and Johnston none.

Edvinsson plays the 7th hardest minutes in the entire league among defensemen and is playing at a 1D level while being 6'6" and a very, very good skater. He has essentially the same tools as Hedman - it's not unreasonable to have him ahead of Johnston, even if Johnston is likely a current/future 1C. It's reasonable to take a potential Hedman over a potential Point.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

I mean "young player" is kind of irrelevant since they're the same age?

Johnston is great but he's on a 69 point pace after 65 last year, not exactly an elite producer (yet). I'm not sure how having playoff experience is relevant to a single player? If their spots were flipped Ed would have the experience and Johnston none.

Edvinsson plays the 7th hardest minutes in the entire league among defensemen and is playing at a 1D level while being 6'6" and a very, very good skater. He has essentially the same tools as Hedman - it's not unreasonable to have him ahead of Johnston, even if Johnston is likely a current/future 1C. It's reasonable to take a potential Hedman over a potential Point.

Young player who plays in all those areas of the game was the point, which is usually rare.

Player leads entire draft class in points doesn't need "elite production" to be considered among the best.

You don't know how playing high level for 40 playoff games is a huge boost in rating a player? Okay.. most people prefer the hard minutes in the Western Conference finals rather than stacking up 3 points against San Jose on a Tuesday night in November.

You question a bunch of my points and then post "but 6'6" lmfao..

The point of my post was not to say Edvinsson couldn't be #1 on someones list, the point of my post was questioning how someone would think that if Johnston was #1 the list is wrong.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Johnston's playoff showings so far still have him #1 for me but in any case I think it's him, Hughes and Edvinsson in the top 3

 

[RedHawkDown]

Young player who plays in all those areas of the game was the point, which is usually rare.

Player leads entire draft class in points doesn't need "elite production" to be considered among the best.

You don't know how playing high level for 40 playoff games is a huge boost in rating a player? Okay.. most people prefer the hard minutes in the Western Conference finals rather than stacking up 3 points against San Jose on a Tuesday night in November.

You question a bunch of my points and then post "but 6'6" lmfao..

The point of my post was not to say Edvinsson couldn't be #1 on someones list, the point of my post was questioning how someone would thinking that if Johnston could be #1.

Yeah, that's fair. You can take Johnston and that's reasonable.

But just to say, Ed is just as rare as a 22 yo defenseman playing extremely tough minutes and excelling with 0 PP time and primarily defensive zone starts. There are essentially zero other U24 dmen with similarly challenging deployment to him.

And no, being on a good team that makes the playoffs is not points in favor of a player. Otherwise Bedard and Celebrini would suck compared to Johnston, which is absurd.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Yeah, that's fair. You can take Johnston and that's reasonable.

But just to say, Ed is just as rare as a 22 yo defenseman playing extremely tough minutes and excelling with 0 PP time and primarily defensive zone starts. There are essentially zero other U24 dmen with similarly challenging deployment to him.

And no, being on a good team that makes the playoffs is not points in favor of a player. Otherwise Bedard and Celebrini would suck compared to Johnston, which is absurd.

Okay next time I rate a player I will ignore all playoff games and playoff achievements then.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Okay next time I rate a player I will ignore all playoff games and playoff achievements then.

I think when they have both had the chance to play in the playoffs, it makes sense...when one hasn't had that opportunity..it makes little sense. Not sure why that's controversial. For all we know Celebrini could be the best playoff performer of all time. Seems strange to discount a player for not having the chance to display something.