Red Wings Rumors, Trades, Waivers III

[Winger98]

To allude to my point, Larkins won almost as many face-offs as Compher or Copp have taken. (Almost literally it's off by some) Clearly the pressure draws are being put on Larkin, Trocheck, imo, idk if it's a fact, could alleviate some of those duties/pressure allowing Larkin to perform more consistently with better on ice match ups against him.

I'd try something like this and see how the 5on5 matchups were on game-by-game basis before stacking the top line with my best face-off men. Getting Trocheck and using him 5on5 in the draw circle, plus his offense, imo, should let the coach cherry pick Larkins matchups on ice a little more in game.

Marco Kasper – Dyland Larkin – Lucas Raymond
Alex Debrincat – Andrew Copp – Patrick Kane
Emmitt Finnie – Vincent Trocheck – Elmer Soderblom
Michael Rasmussen – J.T. Compher – James van Riemsdyk
Mason Appleton

Just my opinion. I don't think you make a move on Trocheck thinking you acquired an offensive juggernaut or anything, I see most his value on face-offs, physicality and his two-way game. Allowing our skilled guys to play a more skilled type of game.

Fair, and that's how I'd want it ideally, too.

He only played 7 games in 19-20, but since then has only missed 24 games in 6 seasons.

good catch. I eyeballed his statline and didn't realize he had seasons broken up when he was dealt. He has had a really good run with NYR on the health front.

If we trade a 1st for Trocheck, and he doesn’t slot above Copp in the lineup, then wtf are we doing…

Well, right now the second line is working - do we want to screw with it? And if the first line starts working, do we want to screw with it? If we're playing Trocheck at center, sliding him into that 3C spot for the rest of the year doesn't mess with things that are working, and could help provide the scoring depth we have lacked.

Could the second line be better with Trocheck? maybe, but will the third line be better sliding Copp down to it? Unless things are going south for the team, I'd want to avoid throwing everything into a blender.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

The fact anyone is debating a 1st for Trochek is the epitome of a low bar for SY by the the collective

 

[Frk It]

Fair, and that's how I'd want it ideally, too.



good catch. I eyeballed his statline and didn't realize he had seasons broken up when he was dealt. He has had a really good run with NYR on the health front.



Well, right now the second line is working - do we want to screw with it? And if the first line starts working, do we want to screw with it? If we're playing Trocheck at center, sliding him into that 3C spot for the rest of the year doesn't mess with things that are working, and could help provide the scoring depth we have lacked.

Could the second line be better with Trocheck? maybe, but will the third line be better sliding Copp down to it? Unless things are going south for the team, I'd want to avoid throwing everything into a blender.

Is upgrading the 3rd line worth a 1st round pick?

If we aren’t trading for something that would upgrade the 2C spot, I’ll pass on trading a 1st round pick for it.

 

[Heaton]

If we trade a 1st for Trocheck, and he doesn’t slot above Copp in the lineup, then wtf are we doing…

It's not like the team has played great recently or been great 5 on 5 all season. Trocheck would open up tons of options and he'd quickly become an everything player for Todd. We can debate the long term merits of adding him, but his impact this year would be big.

None of the lines should be set in stone. Not even the regular pairs of guys

 

[Winger98]

Is upgrading the 3rd line worth a 1st round pick?

If we aren’t trading for something that would upgrade the 2C spot, I’ll pass on trading a 1st round pick for it.

I'd pay the first for Trocheck to upgrade the team this year, and the second line for the next few years. Of the guys rumored to be available, the only one I'd immediately slide into the 2C is Thomas.

To me this sounds like the worries around the idea of Hughes being on a different pair than Seider, though.

 

[The Zermanator]

Is upgrading the 3rd line worth a 1st round pick?

If we aren’t trading for something that would upgrade the 2C spot, I’ll pass on trading a 1st round pick for it.

I'd say one benefit is that the 2C spot has been unstable the past couple years. Copp and Kasper have been good at times, and lacking at others. Trocheck gives another option to ride the hot hand in that position. Gives us the ability to try and put together 3 scoring lines too, however the lines end up being composed.

It's probably moot though because I imagine Trocheck steals that spot from Copp sooner than later, the latter's chemistry with Kane/Debrincat notwithstanding.

But also totally fine with hanging on to the 1st.

 

[newfy]

Is upgrading the 3rd line worth a 1st round pick?

If we aren’t trading for something that would upgrade the 2C spot, I’ll pass on trading a 1st round pick for it.

I think Trochek would upgrade the second line as well. Hes just a more natural skill guy, plays grittier and has a way better track record of sustained high level play.

Not only does it upgrade the second but the upgrade having Copp on the third line is a massive upgrade as well. They go from being weak down the middle to a very solid group that I think would be built for the playoffs as well

 

[Heaton]

I'd pay the first for Trocheck to upgrade the team this year, and the second line for the next few years. Of the guys rumored to be available, the only one I'd immediately slide into the 2C is Thomas.

To me this sounds like the worries around the idea of Hughes being on a different pair than Seider, though.

If this team is truly ready to make the playoffs, and make some noise in the playoffs, we can't have Kane in the top six in a seven-game series. I don't know what the optimal lineup is, but it could be as simple as slotting Kane down to the 3rd line while keeping Copp on the second line. Copp was very good playing wing on top lines in both Winnipeg and New York.

Kasper - Larkin - Raymond
Copp - Trocheck - DeBrincat
Finne - Compher - Kane
Soderblom - Rasmussen - JVR (Appleton)

The 4th line still needs a better center so you could slot both Copp and Compher down at times. The bottom six still needs work, but it could still be effective and get some scoring that we don't get very often.

 

[Winger98]

If this team is truly ready to make the playoffs, and make some noise in the playoffs, we can't have Kane in the top six in a seven-game series. I don't know what the optimal lineup is, but it could be as simple as slotting Kane down to the 3rd line while keeping Copp on the second line. Copp was very good playing wing on top lines in both Winnipeg and New York.

Kasper - Larkin - Raymond
Copp - Trocheck - DeBrincat
Finne - Compher - Kane
Soderblom - Rasmussen - JVR (Appleton)
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The 4th line still needs a better center so you could slot both Copp and Compher down at times. The bottom six still needs work, but it could still be effective and get some scoring that we don't get very often.

Problem I have with Kane is that he doesn't really work with anyone but debrincat. Every time I see Kane tried on a different line his linemates end up chucking the puck into a corner, Kane plays high, and nothing comes of it.

I think we can make a better 2nd line with Kane not there, but my concern would be we just end up with two fourth lines then.

At that point I'd consider running a fourth line of jvr/ras/Kane and trying to put together a defensive banger third line. Essentially be a three line time and some special teamers.

 

[Heaton]

Problem I have with Kane is that he doesn't really work with anyone but debrincat. Every time I see Kane tried on a different line his linemates end up chucking the puck into a corner, Kane plays high, and nothing comes of it.

I think we can make a better 2nd line with Kane not there, but my concern would be we just end up with two fourth lines then.

At that point I'd consider running a fourth line of jvr/ras/Kane and trying to put together a defensive banger third line. Essentially be a three line time and some special teamers.

I don't hate that. Kane is a PP specialist at this point. Give him 6-8 ES minutes and hope we get some powerplays.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Is upgrading the 3rd line worth a 1st round pick?

If we aren’t trading for something that would upgrade the 2C spot, I’ll pass on trading a 1st round pick for it.

Elias Petterson has supposedly been on the market since Summer '24 before his trade protection kicked in, but still hasn't been moved. Doug Armstrong has apparently been listening to offers for Robert Thomas since mid December, but hasn't found a deal he likes.

The one missing piece from the rebuild that is tough to fill externally is a scoring line center. We are in a position where we need to embrace the St Louis path to success with depth at center. One avenue that fits our circumstances is to acquire a guy like Trocheck and build out our depth at center since we don't have an elite center. Larkin isn't elite, Trocheck isn't elite and Copp certainly isn't elite, but you could have strong two-way centers across all of your forward lines. It would be the anti-Toronto approach to playoff success.

Trocheck also buys you time for Danielson and Kasper to develop.

Who knows, maybe we'll have a shot at Connor McDavid in a year or two, but barring that there really don't seem to be any elite centers available.

 

[GreatGordie9]

Elias Petterson has supposedly been on the market since Summer '24 before his trade protection kicked in, but still hasn't been moved. Doug Armstrong has apparently been listening to offers for Robert Thomas since mid December, but hasn't found a deal he likes.

The one missing piece from the rebuild that is tough to fill externally is a scoring line center. We are in a position where we need to embrace the St Louis path to success with depth at center. One avenue that fits our circumstances is to acquire a guy like Trocheck and build out our depth at center since we don't have an elite center. Larkin isn't elite, Trocheck isn't elite and Copp certainly isn't elite, but you could have strong two-way centers across all of your forward lines. It would be the anti-Toronto approach to playoff success.

Trocheck also buys you time for Danielson and Kasper to develop.

Who knows, maybe we'll have a shot at Connor McDavid in a year or two, but barring that there really don't seem to be any elite centers available.

Who comes up with this garbage. Laine is washed up and a head case, no thanks

A Patrik Laine trade development has just been confirmed and the Canadiens and Red Wings could strike a deal

Will the Detroit Red Wings swing for the fence and acquire a top-six forward from their divisional rivals?

www.detroithockeyinsider.com

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Who comes up with this garbage. Laine is washed up and a head case, no thanks

A Patrik Laine trade development has just been confirmed and the Canadiens and Red Wings could strike a deal

Will the Detroit Red Wings swing for the fence and acquire a top-six forward from their divisional rivals?

www.detroithockeyinsider.com

The opposite of an Yzerman guy.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Who comes up with this garbage. Laine is washed up and a head case, no thanks

A Patrik Laine trade development has just been confirmed and the Canadiens and Red Wings could strike a deal

Will the Detroit Red Wings swing for the fence and acquire a top-six forward from their divisional rivals?

www.detroithockeyinsider.com

I wouldn't even want Laine if he was bought out. Cheechoo 2.0

 

[acetehubernoob]

haven't paid attention to him but last i saw laine was having a resurgence in montreal. been hurt or not playing well?

 

[acetehubernoob]

he's only played 5 games this year, not sure you can call him washed. based on last years stats he was on pace for 45-55 points over 82 games. definatly not good but a 50 point player isn't "washed".

queue the comments about how his injury this year was a bomb in his shin pad that blew his leg off or something. i don't know what his injury is, didn't know he was injured until 3 minutes ago lol

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Who comes up with this garbage. Laine is washed up and a head case, no thanks

A Patrik Laine trade development has just been confirmed and the Canadiens and Red Wings could strike a deal

Will the Detroit Red Wings swing for the fence and acquire a top-six forward from their divisional rivals?

www.detroithockeyinsider.com

Someone who has a website and wants clicks to come. I think they call it click-baiting.

 

[Gniwder]

Who comes up with this garbage. Laine is washed up and a head case, no thanks

A Patrik Laine trade development has just been confirmed and the Canadiens and Red Wings could strike a deal

Will the Detroit Red Wings swing for the fence and acquire a top-six forward from their divisional rivals?

www.detroithockeyinsider.com

I'd rather call up Leonard.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I don't think there is any question that Trochek makes us better this year. I could see us running him as a first-line winger or as a 2C. I also, however, don't think he will be around when we are ready to realistically compete for the Cup. I view him very similar to ROR in that regard. To me he is ultimately a cost-dependent acquisition. I don't spend much time thinking about him because I know that a true contender is going to be willing to pay more than I would for him.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Is upgrading the 3rd line worth a 1st round pick?

If we aren’t trading for something that would upgrade the 2C spot, I’ll pass on trading a 1st round pick for it.

Yes, because you have the option to mix and match to maybe upgrade both spots. There are precious few things on this roster that should be givens. Not that the current Wings are bad players or even performing terribly, but they’re also not so good you just leave them be.

It’s not throw all the assets that way or anything… but a couple years of adding Trocheck into that C depth makes me feel good. And then when Copp and/or Compher are up, you have the flexibility to just walk away or wheel and deal with some retention to maybe get some value back from them.

 

[ZombosNose]

he's only played 5 games this year, not sure you can call him washed. based on last years stats he was on pace for 45-55 points over 82 games. definatly not good but a 50 point player isn't "washed".

queue the comments about how his injury this year was a bomb in his shin pad that blew his leg off or something. i don't know what his injury is, didn't know he was injured until 3 minutes ago lol

He's horrible at everything but the pp and he's not even dependable on being available for that. He's a worse,less valuable version of Kane.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He's horrible at everything but the pp and he's not even dependable on being available for that. He's a worse,less valuable version of Kane.

He’s basically become what Mike Hoffman was. A bad team power play scorer.

 

[acetehubernoob]

He's horrible at everything but the pp and he's not even dependable on being available for that. He's a worse,less valuable version of Kane.

just want to clarify, i dont want him. but calling a guy that averages .6 ppg when hes healthy is not "washed up" he is still useful. NO I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD GET HIM

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Laine...Trochek...our expectations of SY look to be falling considerably

 

[Gniwder]

Laine...Trochek...our expectations of SY look to be falling considerably

Yeah, I'd rather talk about Weegar even if he's probably headed home to OTT.

BTW, I saw an article that Panarin didn't consider Detroit because he doesn't like Kane. Wonder if there's any truth to that or if it was just click bait.