Reasons for Downfall

[BruinDust]

Backes is a lousy player, overpaid by 3 mill, and his playoff resume sucks too. I actually hope they trade Krejci away from this cancer of a FO, so he can have a career with good players

If they trade Krejci to some other team, will you do the Bruins fan-base a favor and go and cheer for Krejci's new team and leave the Bruins alone?

 

[KrejciMVP]

If they trade Krejci to some other team, will you do the Bruins fan-base a favor and go and cheer for Krejci's new team and leave the Bruins alone?

ill root for the bruins like I have my whole life, i dont care what you think, I put in a lot of time supporting this team. If you're asking fans to stop being fans bc they root for Krejci, you're not a very good bruin fan. Yeah I would be happy for Krejci if he went to a good situation where he has success, Im sure you'll bash, insult, and discredit, but I won't.

I take this all with a grain of salt anyway, this team fired its Cup winning GM, cup winning coach, traded its cup winning goalie, and now will probably ship off one of its cup winning centers for a couple of life time Providence Bruin prospects. Oh Joy

 

[BruinDust]

ill root for the bruins like I have my whole life, i dont care what you think, I put in a lot of time supporting this team. If you're asking fans to stop being fans bc they root for Krejci, you're not a very good bruin fan. Yeah I would be happy for Krejci if he went to a good situation where he has success, Im sure you'll bash, insult, and discredit, but I won't.

I take this all with a grain of salt anyway, this team fired its Cup winning GM, cup winning coach, traded its cup winning goalie, and now will probably ship off one of its cup winning centers.

Cheer for whoever you want pal, I wasn't being serious with that comment.

I like Krejci, said in another thread yesterday I'd keep him and the reasons I would.

You defend him religiously, when the fact is there have been question marks in his game the last few years. He's still a good player, a very good player even, but you seem to think he's still the guy who was lights out in the playoffs 2010 through 2013, and he isn't.

If he goes elsewhere he'll go and be what he is to the Bruins, a very good playmaking No.2 center.

But when you defend Krejci like he's done nothing wrong this year, and at the same time make comments about Backes being garbage (which he isn't), it's hard to take your stuff seriously.

 

[DKH]

When you watch Donato, Bjork, McAvoy, JFK, Pastrnak, and Carlo between 3:30-11:00 yesterday you realize the makeovr is just getting started

 

[KrejciMVP]

Cheer for whoever you want pal, I wasn't being serious with that comment.

I like Krejci, said in another thread yesterday I'd keep him and the reasons I would.

You defend him religiously, when the fact is there have been question marks in his game the last few years. He's still a good player, a very good player even, but you seem to think he's still the guy who was lights out in the playoffs 2010 through 2013, and he isn't.

If he goes elsewhere he'll go and be what he is to the Bruins, a very good playmaking No.2 center.

But when you defend Krejci like he's done nothing wrong this year, and at the same time make comments about Backes being garbage (which he isn't), it's hard to take your stuff seriously.

No I don't join in the the bashing of our leading point center. I look at the good he has done. Put a playmaker with better linemates you'll see more.

I'm sure he has had a role in mentoring Pastrnak too if that's important

 

[chizzler]

No I don't join in the the bashing of our leading point center. I look at the good he has done. Put a playmaker with better linemates you'll see more.

I'm sure he has had a role in mentoring Pastrnak too if that's important

How bout he lifts his linemates instead of using the weak line mates excuse. When is he going to make an average wing better. He was the first line center for a while. Seems like the game is too fast for him now.

 

[KrejciMVP]

How bout he lifts his linemates instead of using the weak line mates excuse. When is he going to make an average wing better. He was the first line center for a while. Seems like the game is too fast for him now.

He has 21 goals (career high for a guy who the game is too fast for) and 29 assists this year. I imagine with a RW with real NHL scoring calibre those assist numbers would be higher. The revolving doors of Schaller type players just doesnt work, its basically a 2 person line.

 

[chizzler]

He has 21 goals (career high for a guy who the game is too fast for) and 29 assists this year. I imagine with a RW with real NHL scoring calibre those assist numbers would be higher. The revolving doors of Schaller type players just doesnt work, its basically a 2 person line.

Who was the last player to gel with him.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Who was the last player to gel with him.

Loui I suppose although he was a LW and I wasnt that big fan of Loui's game. The Lucic Iginla line had success but fizzled out, Horton too but that sadly ended. Satan and Krejci had some brief chemistry, and Kessel and Krejci were pretty deadly on the PP in 09 I remember.

 

[DKH]

Krejci and Pastrnak have very good chemistry

Two things happen though

It's after March 15 so teams are giving a full near playoffs like effort to pay extra attention and physical against Marchand and Pastrnak

Kind of obvious don't you think and both aren't happy about it

Next October it will lessen considerably but those two are going to be hacked and whacked till the playoffs

You stop Marchand & Pastrnak you beat the Bruins

What do you think Reilly Nash is going to beat you

Oh and Pasta dealing with an undisclosed and unreported injury which affects him

 

[81ragnaH]

When Chia traded #19 he put all his chips on the table. He got 2 NHL players and 2 prospects who were knocking at the door, plus opened up the cap space for 1 year of Iginla, knowing that deal was going to hurt them the following year. He went all in for one year and had arguably the best team in the NHL in 13-14. They were deep at F, if someone went down they had guys who could step in. They could have used some more depth at D when Seidenberg went down, but they were still more than capable. They had no competition in the east, and the only other competition they had in the NHL were Chicago and LA. They absolutely should have gone to the finals that year, and choked like crazy against Montreal in round two. While I appreciate how bold it was to make that move, Chia had an opportunity and he made the most of it for his open cup window, it was still a failure.

That failure put them in cap hell, caused them to make bad trades to get out of it, and the lack of good drafting under the pre-Gretzky regime had no talent ready to replace the vets who were going out. Add in ownerships unwillingness to rebuild properly and we end up with 2 DNQ and possibly a 3rd right now. At this point, even if we get in, are we looking at Washington in round one? A quick 4 games that'll be, don't quite see the point there other than to placate the boss in Buffalo. I think we've drafted well the last couple years, and we're going to see the fruits of that soon (already started with Carlo), but we would be in a much better position had we moved Eriksson last year and Soderberg the year before that.

Will the incoming talent of D be blossoming while we still have a very good Bergeron and Marchand? That's my biggest fear right now, the F and D are not synched up, our F core is fine but our D is either too old or too young. When the D is fine, what about the F core? We have a championship F core led by those two (and are wasting what might be the peak of Marchand's career) that might be passed it's use by date by the time the D is ready. It all goes back to the drafting under Chiarelli.

 

[ODAAT]

When Chia traded #19 he put all his chips on the table. He got 2 NHL players and 2 prospects who were knocking at the door, plus opened up the cap space for 1 year of Iginla, knowing that deal was going to hurt them the following year. He went all in for one year and had arguably the best team in the NHL in 13-14. They were deep at F, if someone went down they had guys who could step in. They could have used some more depth at D when Seidenberg went down, but they were still more than capable. They had no competition in the east, and the only other competition they had in the NHL were Chicago and LA. They absolutely should have gone to the finals that year, and choked like crazy against Montreal in round two. While I appreciate how bold it was to make that move, Chia had an opportunity and he made the most of it for his open cup window, it was still a failure.

That failure put them in cap hell, caused them to make bad trades to get out of it, and the lack of good drafting under the pre-Gretzky regime had no talent ready to replace the vets who were going out. Add in ownerships unwillingness to rebuild properly and we end up with 2 DNQ and possibly a 3rd right now. At this point, even if we get in, are we looking at Washington in round one? A quick 4 games that'll be, don't quite see the point there other than to placate the boss in Buffalo. I think we've drafted well the last couple years, and we're going to see the fruits of that soon (already started with Carlo), but we would be in a much better position had we moved Eriksson last year and Soderberg the year before that.

Will the incoming talent of D be blossoming while we still have a very good Bergeron and Marchand? That's my biggest fear right now, the F and D are not synched up, our F core is fine but our D is either too old or too young. When the D is fine, what about the F core? We have a championship F core led by those two (and are wasting what might be the peak of Marchand's career) that might be passed it's use by date by the time the D is ready. It all goes back to the drafting under Chiarelli.

not worried about the timing of the kids coming up and Bergy/Marchand still be very good. Bergy thinks the game at such a high and intelligent pace that even when he starts to decline, his smarts will enable him to still be an exceptionally effective player and Marchand is still years away from back 9

 

[Gee Wally]

Bruins are what we thought they were.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2017/03/borges_bruins_are_what_we_thought_they_were


This caught their opponents by surprise for a minute, but Cassidy’s system has now been seen 19 times and it appears his peers are catching on to what the Bruins have become. While that is surely true, there is more afoot than that. What truly is happening is a mediocre team, what Bruins’ management left Julien with the past three years, is returning to its middling norm.

Neely and Sweeney can claim all they want that their team has more talent than it has displayed, but in sports you are what your record says you are. What it says of this team is it’s the same as its two predecessors. No better. No worse.

If, when it’s all said and done, Bruce Cassidy and the Bruins go home while Claude Julien and the Canadians skate deep into the playoffs, who will Bruins’ management blame next?

How about the players for once? And the people who picked them.

 

[LSCII]

Loui I suppose although he was a LW and I wasnt that big fan of Loui's game. The Lucic Iginla line had success but fizzled out, Horton too but that sadly ended. Satan and Krejci had some brief chemistry, and Kessel and Krejci were pretty deadly on the PP in 09 I remember.

I get that you're a huge Krejci fan Jesse, but if he has trouble maintaining chemistry with literally everyone he's ever played with, what does that honestly say? Is the problem with the guys they give him or is it with DK? Pretty obvious what the answer is, despite Krejci's obvious talent.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I get that you're a huge Krejci fan Jesse, but if he has trouble maintaining chemistry with literally everyone he's ever played with, what does that honestly say? Is the problem with the guys they give him or is it with DK? Pretty obvious what the answer is, despite Krejci's obvious talent.

still though, Im not sure what people are expecting. He's older now, He's been pretty much a career 60 point player consistently throughout his career and he's nearly there after another hip surgery and having to adjust to new wingers. I understand all the criticism of course bc we've been talking about this for years lol

If they trade him, its going to be very hard to find offence for this team if Backes and Bergeron are the only ones left. If one of them goes down, we're finished. It might as well be tank mode for the #1 pick.

Could be interesting if Claude in MTL makes a push for Krejci is the Bruins want to deal. Jacobs did just hand them over our former coach.

 

[LSCII]

When Chia traded #19 he put all his chips on the table. He got 2 NHL players and 2 prospects who were knocking at the door, plus opened up the cap space for 1 year of Iginla, knowing that deal was going to hurt them the following year. He went all in for one year and had arguably the best team in the NHL in 13-14. They were deep at F, if someone went down they had guys who could step in. They could have used some more depth at D when Seidenberg went down, but they were still more than capable. They had no competition in the east, and the only other competition they had in the NHL were Chicago and LA. They absolutely should have gone to the finals that year, and choked like crazy against Montreal in round two. While I appreciate how bold it was to make that move, Chia had an opportunity and he made the most of it for his open cup window, it was still a failure.

That failure put them in cap hell, caused them to make bad trades to get out of it, and the lack of good drafting under the pre-Gretzky regime had no talent ready to replace the vets who were going out. Add in ownerships unwillingness to rebuild properly and we end up with 2 DNQ and possibly a 3rd right now. At this point, even if we get in, are we looking at Washington in round one? A quick 4 games that'll be, don't quite see the point there other than to placate the boss in Buffalo. I think we've drafted well the last couple years, and we're going to see the fruits of that soon (already started with Carlo), but we would be in a much better position had we moved Eriksson last year and Soderberg the year before that.

Will the incoming talent of D be blossoming while we still have a very good Bergeron and Marchand? That's my biggest fear right now, the F and D are not synched up, our F core is fine but our D is either too old or too young. When the D is fine, what about the F core? We have a championship F core led by those two (and are wasting what might be the peak of Marchand's career) that might be passed it's use by date by the time the D is ready. It all goes back to the drafting under Chiarelli.

They traded a quarter for a dime, 2 nickels, and a penny. No way a team like Boston should have ever settled for that bag of crap return.

And what prospects were knocking on the door? Fraser? Guy can't ****ing skate. Morrow? His career is headed to an AHL team near you as we speak. The other NHL player in that trade besides Loui was Smith and they turned around and devalued him in the deal for Hayes. You also have to recall they included Peverley in that trade, so it wasn't a straight 1 for 4, It was 2 (3 if you count Button) for 4, and again, the 4 coming back were less talented and fringe AHL players. Not the return you want for a young franchise type player on a reasonable long term contract.

 

[member 96824]

How old will Bergeron be when they are ready to compete again?

Turns 32 in less than 4 months.

 

[cobrak]

I disagree with a couple of those
Hamilton for Senyshen, JFK and Lauzon is fine to me if they are half as good as the posters around here say.
Boychuck for Carlo and Lauzon also doesn't look bad at all considering Carlo is way ahead of the curve.
The Reily Smith for Hayes also had the Savard money attached so it was huge for making cap room. Plus Smith was useless so it was a push player wise. The indefensible part is that Hayes is still here...really? BUY HIM OUT, give hime away. Leave him on a corner and hope he can't find his way home. Do whatever

I can't defend Rinaldo, Seguin, Thornton, Kessel, or any other young player who is offensively talented and instantly traded because they aren't "Bruins" I swear if they do that to Pasta, I will be organizing the pitchfork party.

Backes and Beleseky, I am meh about.

The killer is depth. They play well until one or two people get hurt and then all heck breaks loose.

Bad asset management and the GM not having a grasp on the value of NHL players.

Seguin for Eriksson,Smith, Fraser, Morrow.
Rinaldo for a 3rd.
Boychuk for 2 2nds.
Connolly for 2 2nds.
Hamilton a 1st and 2 2nds.
Overpaying for Backes.
Signing Beleskey to a 5 year deal after 1 good year with the Ducks.
Reilly Smith for Jimmy Hayes.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some. All speak to a management team that is in over their head and has no concept of value in the NHL. The only one even semi-defensible is Hamilton and I think that should have been handled differently as well. Eventually making awful decision after awful decision catches up.

 

[LSCII]

How old will Bergeron be when they are ready to compete again?

Turns 32 in less than 4 months.

76?

 

[Tampbear]

How old will Bergeron be when they are ready to compete again?

Turns 32 in less than 4 months.

They could become competitive quick if they would sell some futures and come out with the best player in a couple of trades. We have top end talent but we need some depth.

 

[member 96824]

They could become competitive quick if they would sell some futures and come out with the best player in a couple of trades. We have top end talent but we need some depth.

That's definitely what they need. If they don't though, we're just waiting out nothing

One core will decline as the other potentially emerges and we net out where? Neutral? Slightly below if a prospect doesn't end up a top 10 player like Bergy? How productive will Marchand be in his mid 30s? That's not even factoring in teams that committed to actually rebuilding that will pass by.

That's the problem with this "on the fly." That's why it rarely if ever works for anyone. Unless done very quickly(talking one or maybe two year turnaround) It's a commitment to mediocrity in both the short and long term. Been saying it for 3 years now, but If they're rebuilding they need to rebuild. If they're competing they need to compete. Neither will doom you always.

 

[DKH]

How old will Bergeron be when they are ready to compete again?

Turns 32 in less than 4 months.

If they beat the Leafs Monday he'd have been 31

 

[ODAAT]

When you watch Donato, Bjork, McAvoy, JFK, Pastrnak, and Carlo between 3:30-11:00 yesterday you realize the makeovr is just getting started

add that to the kids in Providence who appear to be a pretty darn good team

Any clue how Heinen has played? Seems to be a guy many have given up on here which I`m never a fan of this early in one`s career

 

[Fonzerelli]

add that to the kids in Providence who appear to be a pretty darn good team

Any clue how Heinen has played? Seems to be a guy many have given up on here which I`m never a fan of this early in one`s career

Speaking as one who's sat back on the fence, we haven't given up on him at all. We are just waiting patiently for him to prove us right.

On your Providence point. That's something that has been a little frustrating for me. Considering all the good prospects we have there, it's a little frustrating to keep watching the lineup sheets featuring a bunch of AHL vets who will never play for us clogging up the prime playing rolls. Guys like Swarz, Meuller, Simpson and Grant shouldn't be, IMO, taking prime ice away from guys who are on NHL deals. I get that we need veteran leadership down there, but we have guys like Tommy Cross and even guys like Chris Porter, who is appropriately in a DEPTH ROLL. That's just my two cents, but I'd like to see more opportunity for guys like Heinen and less for the aging minor-pro vets.

 

[tremha]

check out the 2008 to 2012 drafts. other than the studs who left with no return there isnt much there.

that is the root of the problem behind the core