RD Timothy Liljegren - Ex-Rogle BK, SHL (2017, 17th, TOR) III

[nobody]

I find it hard to believe that someone who scouted professionally for 15 years would just gloss over someone breaking records set by Forsberg, and put Liljegren ahead of someone scoring at twice his rate in a comparable league as a defender. Just recently Ristolainen and Honka have put up inarguably more impressive numbers, and as I said, when you take out PP points, in which especially Lindholm seems to suffer, Liljegren falls down the list of AHL defenders during their D+1 season.

I still don't see where you're getting tripped up. Pettersson putting up a record year in the SHL has nothing to do with where he will be in 5 years in the NHL. Yes it's a nice accomplishment and it definitely gives him an argument for having the best D+1 year in his draft class but that says nothing about the future. Part of scouting is projecting players for the NHL, not for how they will be doing in their current respective leagues. That said, Pettersson I think is going to be a fine NHL player. I will be surprised if he turns into an elite offensive guy in the NHL in 5 seasons but who knows right? That's the beautiful part about projecting prospects and following them as they develop. No one takes a linear path and very few prospects adjust to the NHL flawlessly.

I'm not sure why you're discounting Lilly just because he's more apt on the PP. It's not his fault he's got better offensive abilities than Lindholm. Why hold that against him? You seem to have a very biased agenda in this thread and to me it's perfectly alright for you to hold the opinions that you do. That said however, don't be foolish enough to impose your opinion on to others as fact. People are allowed to make their own calls and they are just as correct or incorrect as yours. Specially when we are talking about projecting players 5 years down the road.

Now move along.

 

[DieTomi]

(I used to be a pro scout for 15 years)

Looooool

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I'm perfectly alright being wrong on Lilly. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. But the way I see him play right now and in my past experiences (I used to be a pro scout for 15 years), he's a homerun pick (high ceiling player who has done no. Whether he develops and lives up to his potential is a different question. But as of right now, I have absolutely nothing to lose saying he's going to be at the top of his class in 5 years. This is not to take away from the other kids as I think they are also going to be fantastic NHL players. If people take Lilly being the top player as an insult to their own prospects being devalued, that's more a reflection on their views and opinions, not mine.

The way you talk, you sound like 15 years old.

There are other ways to express your feelings about a specific player.

 

[nobody]

The way you talk, you sound like 15 years old.

Looooool

Leafs nation appreciates your envy.

 

[LeafChief]

It's pretty embarrassing that someone who watches hockey thinks Liljegren will become the best player in the draft in 5 years

Your post history is embarrassing.

I am very pissed off the Rangers didn't select him with the 7th overall pick. I love Andersson, but I was always very high on Liljegren. Definitely a chance to bust, but a better chance to become a great hockey player. Tons of upside. I wish the Rangers could have traded McDonagh to the Leafs and got Liljegren for him. Probably would have never happened, but a guy can dream.

I think you guys did pretty good with Chytil and Andersson.

You also have three first round picks this year and also obtained Lindgren in the Rick Nash trade.

The Rangers just went from a bottom feeder (in terms of prospects) to have a real stacked cupboard. Very impressive.

 

[4thline]

It's pretty embarrassing that someone who watches hockey thinks Liljegren will become the best player in the draft in 5 years

Another (choose your own IQ based insult)that doesn't understand the difference between "could" and "will"

 

[4thline]

Its pretty blind homerism to say it when there isnt anything to back it up. Why arent you talking about Fedor Gordeev from the same draft for Toronto? I mean, for all you know 5 years from now he might end up being the best in the draft. I mean, hes a drafted NHL player, dont need to know how hes doing this year because sometimes guys doing good in the CHL become absolute studs in the NHL.

Youre right, for all we know Rasmussen or Liljegren could but with the seasons other guys are having from that draft the likelihood of it happening arent enough for someone to say "could easily become the best player in 5 years" without looking like a ridiculous homer. I mean for all we know, Liljegren could become an absolute bust and never play a game, however I dont think you would be so quick to admit that because based on his body of work it isnt likely, just like him being the best isnt either

It's a harmless and accurate statement. Liljegren is one of 6-12 (and you could argue a couple more) players out of this draft whose combination of upside and likelihood of hitting it means that it should be no surprise if when all is said and done they end of the best. Smart money picks the field rather than choosing any single player ie, at this point it isn't likely that any one player ends up the best, but he's part of a group that you'd choose from if you had to because they have a legitimate shot.

Could easily= no one should be surprised if it happens, not "I predict it will happen"

 

[Frolov 6'3]

It's a harmless and accurate statement. Liljegren is one of 6-12 (and you could argue a couple more) players out of this draft whose combination of upside and likelihood of hitting it means that it should be no surprise if when all is said and done they end of the best. Smart money picks the field rather than choosing any single player ie, at this point it isn't likely that any one player ends up the best, but he's part of a group that you'd choose from if you had to because they have a legitimate shot.

Could easily= no one should be surprised if it happens, not "I predict it will happen"

Its homerism at its finest.

He was a 17th overall pick for a reason and you think its ok/harmless/accurate to read that he could easily be the best player of this draft.

Its seriously tiresome why some Leafs fans constantly want to tell everyone why their prospects should have been picked higher. It happens every year and it annoys a lot of people.

Is it even possible, just to accept that you have a promising player in the pipeline and just leave it that?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Its homerism at its finest.

He was a 17th overall pick for a reason and you think its ok/harmless/accurate to read that he could easily be the best player of this draft.

Its seriously tiresome why some Leafs fans constantly want to tell everyone why their prospects should have been picked higher. It happens every year and it annoys a lot of people.

Is it even possible, just to accept that you have a promising player in the pipeline and just leave it that?

Who cares what other people or fan bases think?

 

[nobody]

Its homerism at its finest.

He was a 17th overall pick for a reason and you think its ok/harmless/accurate to read that he could easily be the best player of this draft.

Its seriously tiresome why some Leafs fans constantly want to tell everyone why their prospects should have been picked higher. It happens every year and it annoys a lot of people.

Is it even possible, just to accept that you have a promising player in the pipeline and just leave it that?

No one here is trying to justify his draft slot. You're the only one coming in here talking about how he was a 17th pick for a reason. Who gives a f***? You know guys have been first overall and busts while players from the 4-7th round become exponentially more impactful.

 

[LeafChief]

A ton of crying going on in this thread still by opposing fan bases.

Good to see. I suppose that means he is doing well.

 

[ESH]

Its homerism at its finest.

He was a 17th overall pick for a reason and you think its ok/harmless/accurate to read that he could easily be the best player of this draft.

Its seriously tiresome why some Leafs fans constantly want to tell everyone why their prospects should have been picked higher. It happens every year and it annoys a lot of people.

Is it even possible, just to accept that you have a promising player in the pipeline and just leave it that?

Do you really feel the need to come into a thread about a specific prospect just so you can tell fans of the team that drafted him they're not allowed to be excited about him? It's not like Leafs fans are posting about him all over the place, they're discussing him in a thread about him

 

[nobody]

Do you really feel the need to come into a thread about a specific prospect just so you can tell fans of the team that drafted him they're not allowed to be excited about him? It's not like Leafs fans are posting about him all over the place, they're discussing him in a thread about him

You can tell exactly who the guys are in this thread that wanted their team to draft Lilly and are extremely bitter that the Leafs ended up with him and he's doing exceptional!

 

[4thline]

Its homerism at its finest.

He was a 17th overall pick for a reason and you think its ok/harmless/accurate to read that he could easily be the best player of this draft.

Its seriously tiresome why some Leafs fans constantly want to tell everyone why their prospects should have been picked higher. It happens every year and it annoys a lot of people.

Is it even possible, just to accept that you have a promising player in the pipeline and just leave it that?

That reasons was that a couple gm's liked someone else better, most likely due to be scared off by his down year. Not because of lack of upside.

How do you feel about Vilardi @ 11?

He's another one that could easily end up the best. The entire top 5, Middlestadt, Necas, Vilardi, I'd argue Liljegren, Valimaki, Brannstrom, Tolvanen and maybe even Chytil/Vesalainen are all players I personally would say "could easily be the best". Some are better bets than others for sure, but depending on who reaches their upside any one of those guys could easily end up being the best, or it could end up being someone from the rest of the field.

If he was drafted @8-9 (where many wanted/ projected) and these same exact comments were made about the same exact player no one would bat an eye. Says a lot about this boards capacity for critical thought.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Do you really feel the need to come into a thread about a specific prospect just so you can tell fans of the team that drafted him they're not allowed to be excited about him? It's not like Leafs fans are posting about him all over the place, they're discussing him in a thread about him

Yes i feel that need indeed. Others would like to read about him too but its constantly filled with homer crap.

I just wished people talked about him and be excited but this isnt excitement anymore. I am sorry if you dont notice the difference.

 

[Mrb1p]

Its homerism at its finest.

He was a 17th overall pick for a reason and you think its ok/harmless/accurate to read that he could easily be the best player of this draft.

Its seriously tiresome why some Leafs fans constantly want to tell everyone why their prospects should have been picked higher. It happens every year and it annoys a lot of people.

Is it even possible, just to accept that you have a promising player in the pipeline and just leave it that?

Karlsson was selected just two spots earlier, didnt stop him from becoming the best player in his draft.

 

[firstemperor]

Yes i feel that need indeed. Others would like to read about him too but its constantly filled with homer crap.

We get it....you have a real qualm that 1 guy in this thread suggested Liljegren "could" be the best player in the draft. You must have been in some sheltered bizzaro world in your many years on HF, or simply have an agenda you want to project.

Ultimately your on a board filled to the brim with hyperbolic statements. Newsflash, this is a least-of-all-evil situations even in a board filled with hyperbole- given it's literally a prospect thread where the reasonable expectation should be- optimism from the drafted player's fans......i.e.a fanbase will have fans that are optimistic about "X' high-ceiling prospect.

Just like I've seen some things I fundamentally disagree with in other prospect threads- regarding Brannstrom's ceiling....to a lesser extent, Necas, Vilardi, Pettersson, Tolvanen, Chytil....Vesalainen. I have no problem with fans having some unreasonable expectation that they end up being the best player in their draft, or having a sensible argument as being a riser in a redraft....in fact, I'd have no problem if a Yotes fan said POJ had that potential.

You should realign your expectations if you think any prospect thread isn't a mixture of hyperbole, projections/comparables- using historical data, or highlights/anecdotal scouting reports game-to-game. In Liljegren's case, there's a healthy amount of hyperbole going both ways, by the same posters, so as much as you may be annoyed by Leaf fans, I wouldn't doubt it goes both ways.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

We get it....you have a real qualm that 1 guy in this thread suggested Liljegren "could" be the best player in the draft. You must have been in some sheltered bizzaro world in your many years on HF, or simply have an agenda you want to project.

One guy suggested, others quietly confirm and another one tells me i have been living in some sheltered bizarre world.

Nobody tells that kid to shut the **** up with that nonsense.

Respond to him, instead of me.

 

[Rempe73]

Surprised about this.

Andersson will become a stud. Liljegren was drafted right where he should be.

I wouldnt be pissed at all.

Thanks, but Andersson doesn't have a ton of upside. He can possibly turn into a Derek Stepan-type player, but the lack of serious upside makes me wish the Rangers chose someone else like Liljegren, whose upside is crazy. Don't get me wrong, I still love Lias and he will be good, but he was kind of a reach.

 

[LeafChief]

Yes i feel that need indeed. Others would like to read about him too but its constantly filled with homer crap.

I just wished people talked about him and be excited but this isnt excitement anymore. I am sorry if you dont notice the difference.

Somebody needs a warm glass of milk and a nap.

Anyways, Liljegren with a two point night on Wednesday. He's been playing great and it would be nice to see him continue to put up points.

 

[Atomos2]

Do you really feel the need to come into a thread about a specific prospect just so you can tell fans of the team that drafted him they're not allowed to be excited about him? It's not like Leafs fans are posting about him all over the place, they're discussing him in a thread about him

Can't have that. HFboard officer Frolov reporting for duty

 

[Pyromaniac]

One guy suggested, others quietly confirm and another one tells me i have been living in some sheltered bizarre world.

Nobody tells that kid to shut the **** up with that nonsense.

Respond to him, instead of me.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...7-17th-tor-iii.2377481/page-69#post-143685995

It was literally the second post after he posted.

 

[Pavels Dog]

It's a harmless and accurate statement. Liljegren is one of 6-12 (and you could argue a couple more) players out of this draft whose combination of upside and likelihood of hitting it means that it should be no surprise if when all is said and done they end of the best.

Delusional imo. I can count at least 15-16 prospects just in the 1st round that have high, high upside and are progressing extremely well. See no reason why Lilly should be considered a safer bet, nor has he truly displayed that ”upside” much. 2 points in 7 WJC games? Stagnant SHL production? 15 points in 39 AHL games, with just 1 goal and slooooow production after his first 5 games?

You can talk about how he’s doing well compared to same age players in men’s leagues, which is true. But if you could bring up a 16 year old to the NHL, play him for 20-30 games and he lucks into a point he’d be top U18 NHL scorer of all time. Yet it would say nothing about him really.
Lilly playing in the SHL early, playing in the AHL early, doesn’t say a whole lot about his actual upside other than showing he can cut it in a men’s league. If he went to the WJCs and dominated, or showed a clear and obvious upward trajectory in his production at the pro-level there would be more ammunition to talk about how awesome his upside is.

 

[4thline]

Delusional imo. I can count at least 15-16 prospects just in the 1st round that have high, high upside and are progressing extremely well.

Well I listed 14, I'm sure there's a couple that I missed. The statement "could easily end up the best" applies to all of them, not just Liljegren, and I wouldn't put him in the top 10 most likely.

It's not our fault that some combination of ignorance and need to downplay Liljegren has made you blind to how volatile projecting a group of elite prospects @ 19 when there's no clear franchise player in the group.

I'll repeat "could easily" = no one should be surprised if it transpires, not "it is likely to/ will transpire"
Any one with one lick of understanding knows that at this point the odds of any one player turning out the best are abysmal

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Yes i feel that need indeed. Others would like to read about him too but its constantly filled with homer crap.

I just wished people talked about him and be excited but this isnt excitement anymore. I am sorry if you dont notice the difference.

It's also filled with people whining about homers. In this case it started with one homer and two people arguing with him, and ballooned from there.
If people just ignored them and used the ignore button when needed, this thread would be much less cluttered with garbage.